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I too am 200% jelly. I only have 2 real options here: the first is an indoor range, which is not without it's charms - it has AC and you can bring your own ammo - but it's like $20 an hour and pistols only.

The other option is a state run public range, which is about 30 minutes away. That one is 100 yards max, which is fine since I'm a terrible shot, but since it's public you get people with a wide range of uh, experience and discipline. There is sometimes a RSO there but not often enough for my liking. I always feel not particularly safe there.

I also have a state run range near me, but you have to either have a hunting license or pay $30 for a year, and follow hunting regulations: no more than 3 rounds in a rifle, and 6 in a pistol. Who likes shooting an AK with only 3 rounds?

Oof. I have a slidefire stock for my AK, so I usually dump a few hundred rounds per trip.

Range in my yard. I have a 7-8 foot berm where I built a bulletcatch inside of with a down angled 1/2 steel plate backed by poured concrete with cinder block walled filled with poured concrete, all covered with a lot of dirt. My range is a little more than 100m. My short range is 25m and in the shade. I have leveled the ground at the 25 and the 100 is on my driveway.

My landlord used the blade on the front end loader to level out the whole lane I shoot on. The only real issue is there is a bit of a dip right before the dirt berm and if I get rain for more than a day that ground holds water and then is pretty sticky mud for a few days.

Not too big a deal. Caused by putting the blade down right at the base of the berm and scraping back up the firing lane.

So....if anyone was looking for a gun that could come close to looking like a 40k Bolter, Fosstech's short barrel 12 gauge is probably it.



Looks neat, unfortunately its $2k+NFA paperwork+ months long wait :(

There you go.

Oh, and it's a side folder too?





Sigh. I wish Iowa didn't ban all NFA items other than suppressors.


What's that little doohickey extending into the trigger guard - mag release?

Is that because ot is a short barreled shotgun that it is NFA?

 Ouze wrote:
Oh, and it's a side folder too?

Gotta say... I'm drooling too...

Sigh. I wish Iowa didn't ban all NFA items other than suppressors.

Move to the south in MO, afaik, the only NFA prohibition are destructive devices ('nads, big bombs, etc...).

What's that little doohickey extending into the trigger guard - mag release?

1) Exalted for use of "doohickey".
2) Gotta be the mag release.

 Ouze wrote:
What's that little doohickey extending into the trigger guard - mag release?

Yeah, it's the magazine release.

Also, Fostech makes a 18" barreled version if that suits your fancy.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
Is that because ot is a short barreled shotgun that it is NFA?

Yes.

If you arent a resident of a state can you buy in that state and then take it home?

 TheMeanDM wrote:
If you arent a resident of a state can you buy in that state and then take it home?

IIRC, it depends on the state, and your residency.

For instance, I lived in TN, but was able to buy a gun in Kentucky, whilst not being a "resident" of either state, via flashing my military orders in the shop. Many of my civilian friends who were residents of either TN or KY, told me that they were able to buy firearms in either state, due to some reciprocity type agreement between the two.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 TheMeanDM wrote:
If you arent a resident of a state can you buy in that state and then take it home?

IIRC, it depends on the state, and your residency.

For instance, I lived in TN, but was able to buy a gun in Kentucky, whilst not being a "resident" of either state, via flashing my military orders in the shop. Many of my civilian friends who were residents of either TN or KY, told me that they were able to buy firearms in either state, due to some reciprocity type agreement between the two.

non-NFA items... yes, reciprocity would be in play for various states.

For "NFA" items, I'm *pretty* sure that if your state prohibit them, then it's baned... unless it's grandfather'ed in some way.

 TheMeanDM wrote:
If you arent a resident of a state can you buy in that state and then take it home?

If you're asking about Illinois: you can purchase it there but it must be transferred to an Iowa FFL. I bought my 1911 in Illinois but I had to pick it up at a pawn shop in Iowa.

In general...

If it's a handgun or from a private individual, no, you cannot buy it in another state, you must take possession through an FFL in your state, and your state's laws would apply.

If it's a long gun, then you *can* buy it out of state (*IF* both your own state and the state you are making the purchase in have no laws against it, many do however), but if the long gun is illegal in your home state (for example, say a Colt AR15 or an Arsenal SLR and you live in California), you can't take it home with you (leave it at grandma's or something).

Form 4's for NFA items are approved based on the state where you reside, so if it's illegal where you live the ATF will deny your Form 4 application.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Also, Fostech makes a 18" barreled version if that suits your fancy.

It does not :( the 18" barrel just makes it look kind of like a fancier Saiga, vs a Bolter.

It's alright, a 12ga shotgun with the stock removed for the 100% bolter look would probably be murder on your wrists anyway.

But think how *cool* it would look. Especially for that sweet cosplay action

 Ouze wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Also, Fostech makes a 18" barreled version if that suits your fancy.

It does not :( the 18" barrel just makes it look kind of like a fancier Saiga, vs a Bolter.

It's alright, a 12ga shotgun with the stock removed for the 100% bolter look would probably be murder on your wrists anyway.

There is a legal loophole to get the short-barreled version in Iowa. Buy it as a pistol-grip only shotgun. By legal definition, a short-barreled shotgun must first be a shotgun. A shotgun MUST have, or at one time had, a butt stock. So, legally speaking, a shotgun that has never had a stock is NOT a shotgun at all, and thus can not be a short-barreled shotgun. You may put any length barrel on it you want, just keep the over-all length above 26 inches and it isn't an Any-Other-Weapon either. No forms, no permits, 100% legal.

I brought this up at the local gun store, in front of a Sherriff's deputy. After a blank look the owner whipped out his book of regulations and the two of them cross referenced the laws, then glanced up with a "dang, that's cool" look.

If you are worried about recoil you can always put a 40k-style muzzle brake on it. I did on my "not a short barrel". I recommend a company called Witt Machine. Most recoil reduction of any muzzle brakes I have ever used. At least a 75% reduction in recoil.

Legally, I imagine it would be the same as a Taurus Judge.

I frequently see home defense shotguns for sale in IA....and those barrels are that short!

 Ouze wrote:
Legally, I imagine it would be the same as a Taurus Judge.

Actually, not quite. The Taurus gets around the short-barreled rules by having rifling and having a duel chambering (it can short .45 LC too). That's why it can be under 26 inches long. With this shotgun you would need to keep the overall length over 26 inches in order to be legal.

Purely for laughs, if there was a Taurus Judge that was chambered in 20-gauge would anyone be interested?

I looked up what that Judge is....cool!

It got me thinking of the Kingsman movie. In it, when Eggsey is neing introduced to the weaponry, his mentor mentions that their handgun shoots shotgun shells. Thought that was just a fantastical movie/comic weapon....nope!! (well, perhaps in the physical weapon size they were using--roughly 9mm)

I've been thinking of getting a stainless Judge to take when we go kayaking. A lot of cottonmouths/moccasins and I would like the ability to cap one if I need to. Generally they are happy on their log in the sun, but we've had a couple get aggressive.

 CptJake wrote:
I've been thinking of getting a stainless Judge to take when we go kayaking. A lot of cottonmouths/moccasins and I would like the ability to cap one if I need to. Generally they are happy on their log in the sun, but we've had a couple get aggressive.

I have a stainless Judge with a 6 inch barrel, my dad has one with a 3 inch barrel. With a 3 inch shell in them they kick like heck. The extra three inches on my gun really keeps the spreading shots in a tighter group. As far as a snake-gun, Yeah it'd work pretty good. If you get one you might be interested in chamber inserts. They are basically 2.5 or 3 inch rifled inserts for the cylinder that will allow you shoot other calibers (they just pass down the barrel without touching it). I've been tempted to get the .22 LR inserts so I can use my Judge as a hiking and camping gun. I can keep two slots filled with 45LC +P and two with buckshot for cougar attacks, one slot with birdshot for snakes. When I want to bag a squirrel I can switch to 22LR.


I also found some interesting self defense rounds. They are shotgun shells (3 inch). In each one they have 5 lead disks that look like watch batteries (each is 115 grains)and 5 pieces of 00 buckshot. Has enough powder to get to 1350 feet per second. Basically, it's like getting shot 5 times with a 9mm, plus some extra buckshot. The disks are so flat that they basically act like hollow points with minimal penetration and maximum distortion.

If your looking to save money for a snake gun take a look at a Super Comanche 45/410. If you drop it into the lake or river you won't lose to much sleep. It won't win a beauty contest but will go bang every time. My father picked up one for rabbit hunting several years ago think he payed under $150. It's only single shot so not the best choice for home defense if you want to use it for duel purpose.

 Chute82 wrote:
If your looking to save money for a snake gun take a look at a Super Comanche 45/410. If you drop it into the lake or river you won't lose to much sleep. It won't win a beauty contest but will go bang every time. My father picked up one for rabbit hunting several years ago think he payed under $150. It's only single shot so not the best choice for home defense if you want to use it for duel purpose.

I'll look at that. I would prefer something stainless as it will be used around water and is likely to get wet. Not looking for dual purpose. Between the dogs, hard to get to house, locked gates and my general bad disposition I probably have home defense covered.

 CptJake wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
If your looking to save money for a snake gun take a look at a Super Comanche 45/410. If you drop it into the lake or river you won't lose to much sleep. It won't win a beauty contest but will go bang every time. My father picked up one for rabbit hunting several years ago think he payed under $150. It's only single shot so not the best choice for home defense if you want to use it for duel purpose.

I'll look at that. I would prefer something stainless as it will be used around water and is likely to get wet. Not looking for dual purpose. Between the dogs, hard to get to house, locked gates and my general bad disposition I probably have home defense covered.

Cover it in Vaseline like we did with our weapons in Panama.
You can buy 3 or 4 Comanche for the price of a SS judge plus if you leave it somewhere nobody will steal it

I finally got the receivers for my .300 AAC build back from the shop yesterday and it turned out great! I went ahead and color-filled the roll marks but I'm not entirely sure what I want to do with the zombie head yet so I left it as is. I have all the parts for the lower already so I might put it together later today and slap it on another completed upper I have and take it to the range to see how it works.