Infiltrators and First Turn.

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**Azrell**

Nothing says that units making a DWA are "deployed" anywhere. They may simply have limited the options for deployment when you get the "deploy forces" step of the deployment phase.

The same could be said for a flyer that also must be placed into reserves but isn't until you deploy. same concept. It has only one option for deployment when you deploy.

**AndrewC**

Agreed, however there are a few issues tied up in this elsewhere.

1. If it's not deployment, then why is it taking place during the deployment section?
2. If it's not deployment, then why is it subject to the so called 50% rule, which only applied to units in reserve (which is a deployment condition)

Rigeld and Nos explain this much better than I in the associated thread here; http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/500770.page

Deployment, in this context, isn't so much as to when they are placed onto the board, but to when the decision is made. Infiltrators seem to be a curious option, because the decision to infiltrate them, P38 actually deploys them last.

P122 because of its' curious turn of language asking for the player who deployed his army first, note not deployed but deployed his army makes the decision an awkward one.

Options.

1. Deployed his army first
A. If we accept this as the entire army, because of P38 anyone who uses infiltrators, who deploy last, runs the risk of automatically going second.
2. Deployed first
A. If we accept this as meaning the deployment of the first unit then the DA player will go first as DWA is a deployment option which occurs prior to the phase normally associated with it, eg DoG is a shooting attack that takes place in the other players movement phase. It is still a shooting attack. Samething here, DWA is still the deployment of a unit.

Cheers

Andrew

**barnowl**

AndrewC wrote:
Agreed, however there are a few issues tied up in this elsewhere.

1. If it's not deployment, then why is it taking place during the deployment section?
2. If it's not deployment, then why is it subject to the so called 50% rule, which only applied to units in reserve (which is a deployment condition)

Rigeld and Nos explain this much better than I in the associated thread here; http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/500770.page

Deployment, in this context, isn't so much as to when they are placed onto the board, but to when the decision is made. Infiltrators seem to be a curious option, because the decision to infiltrate them, P38 actually deploys them last.

P122 because of its' curious turn of language asking for the player who deployed his army first, note not deployed but deployed his army makes the decision an awkward one.

Options.

1. Deployed his army first
A. If we accept this as the entire army, because of P38 anyone who uses infiltrators, who deploy last, runs the risk of automatically going second.
2. Deployed first
A. If we accept this as meaning the deployment of the first unit then the DA player will go first as DWA is a deployment option which occurs prior to the phase normally associated with it, eg DoG is a shooting attack that takes place in the other players movement phase. It is still a shooting attack. Samething here, DWA is still the deployment of a unit.

Cheers

Andrew

Ah, now we come to the root of your issue. DWA is rules specific exception. It does not actually alter the order of events, but is an intentional unit specific allowance to break normal rules for a specific set of units. It does not alter the game sequences for the rest of the army. To use a CCG term, DWA (like Interceptor) are rules interrupts that create a temporary unit or situation specific anomaly in the order of events but do not actually alter the on going event order.

I have noticed that many 40kplayers have a really hard time with this concept. I think it has to do with sometimes badly written rules.