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The real question is -

Are you bringing back the resin vehicles, and updated heavy stuff?

I've STILL got my guys from back in the day. Going to have to dig them back out.

I miss the old armorcast resin blocks. If you lost the game, you could still kill your opponent with.

Chomping at the bit for the boxes of boardgame stuff. Hoping for more of the same styles.

( Those board games were really neat.)

Wheres the Website?

Definitely very interested!

Mult-part plastics of the core troops would be great. Can we tone down the shoulder pads just a bit though? Lol. Not a lot, just a bit.

Please, please, please make sure you post news around places other than Facebook. Not all of us use it, and not all of us who do want their hobbies in it.

@Mattlov: It was an awesome game. Companies keep dying under it though...

Eagerly awaiting more info.

~Eric

Taarnak wrote:
Definitely very interested!

Mult-part plastics of the core troops would be great. Can we tone down the shoulder pads just a bit though? Lol. Not a lot, just a bit.

Please, please, please make sure you post news around places other than Facebook. Not all of us use it, and not all of us who do want their hobbies in it.

@Mattlov: It was an awesome game. Companies keep dying under it though...

Eagerly awaiting more info.

~Eric

No worries, I'll post "Sneaky peeks" on daily basis here ... TONs of stuff to show!

Taarnak wrote:
Mult-part plastics of the core troops would be great. Can we tone down the shoulder pads just a bit though? Lol. Not a lot, just a bit.

No, they must be BIGGER! Privateer Press upped the ante with Epic Vlad, a new edition of Warzone cannot stand for such an affront. Shoulder pads for the shoulder pad god, square jaws for the jaw throne!

And more vehicles that you could swear are just mobile toilets!

Taarnak wrote:
@Mattlov: It was an awesome game. Companies keep dying under it though...

Yeah the fall of Target Games was actually just part of a larger puzzle. Target Games was just one division of a company that ended up going bankrupt. When this happened, the relatively tiny tabletop gaming department (along with attached minis company Heartbreaker) couldn't hope to stand on their own. The computer gaming division (which you may know as Paradox Entertainment these days, they own Paradox Interactive who do some amazing historical games) kept afloat and ended up buying the rights to Mutant Chronicles/Warzone/Chronopia/etc.

They then licensed off the rights to a little (really little, as in, one guy) called Excelsior Entertainment. Their products were a labour of love but they were basically vanity press projects. They took way too long to publish and things kept on getting delayed. So when the license came up for renewal last time, Paradox decided to pull the plug.

Neither time had much to do with the games and had more to do with the companies they were attached to. With Target it was almost completely unrelated to the game (which was actually around as popular as 40k at the time of the crash). Had they not been expanding so much at the time, they may have even survived. But with two major game lines (one with limited plastic production), an RPG, some board games and an upcoming spin-off (oh how I long for Chronopia Empires). Well, yeah, they would have needed a new source of funding, stat.

In the case of Excelsior, it was a case of the company being too small to handle the production. Every time there was a personal issue of any kind, it created massive project delays. Even if Paradox hadn't pulled the plug, I doubt it would have lasted much longer on its own. The rules-work was amazing, the point system they used was great but outside of keeping minis in production they didn't really accomplish much (only a handful of minis ever made in house, and while better than 1st Edition, paled in comparison to the 2nd Edition stuff).

So we will have to wait and see on this new company, but they already seem to have their heads in the right place. Leading in with presentation of minis rather than doing like Excelsior and making it all about producing a new rulebook. Minis are what get people excited. Had they been showing shots of the old stuff then I would have probably moved on, but that they are investing in a new line means that this feels like a proper reboot.

Now, what I'm wondering, is which era of the background are they going with.

Between Mutant Chronicles (the RPG), Warzone 1st (closest to Mutant Chronicles), Warzone 2nd (huge departure) or Ultimate Warzone (a hybrid of 1E/2E that hews closer to 1st in terms of background material). The game had almost as much background variance as you see from Rogue Trader to modern 40k, especially later attempts (FFG and whatever company was trying to dot he reboot RPG years back... when they decided to remove Cybertronic). They could even choose to do it in a newer era, since the game is big on cycles. But personally, I hope they move back toward 1E/MC background for the most part. It always seemed to have the proper amount of 2000AD-esque-ness to it in those days (yes, that is a word).

I played and enjoyed warzone a fair bit during my late teens. However, today I'm way more sensitive to unbalanced and/or badly written rules. So I wonder if there will be crowdsourced playtesting (like the betatests of MMOs) or any other measures taken to ensure stringent balanced rulesets?

Because if this game too goes the way of Games Workshop in regard to rules being secondary to selling models, then I'm not interested.

Ah bugger, ofcourse this comes up only a few weeks after I finally managed to sell everything I had of my Wolves... Blasted, ah well, even though I burned my fingers on it time and again, it is also part of nostagia so keen to see how it'll work out.

I've sold all of my Warzone stuff a long time ago and I certainly do not regret that. Most of the range was pretty bad and what good there was wasn't blowing anyone's mind even when it was first released. Some of the Cybernetic and Capitol stuff, especially the Light Infantry and Shock Troopers were okay, but does anyone remember Brotherhood? Or the horrid Dark Legion range?

Yeah, Bauhaus and Imperial got all the love when 2nd Edition rolled around (though Capitol was starting to shape up from their 1st Edition baseball caps and football helmet days). The basic Hussars, Blood Berets, Dragoons and even basic plastic infantry was all great. Most of the other lines barely had any update during 2nd since Target died after only two army book releases. And the Dark Legion was definitely the worst of the bunch because their line was huge and had barely anything updated in the new edition. If it wasn't for Kev White being attached to so many other projects right now, I would be praying for him to be part of this one too, his work really brought the Warzone universe to life. Just the right amount of over-the-top in there.

you say bad I say charm


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Prodos wrote:


There will indeed be a Website based forum!
The website will go live on the 15th Feb
www.warzonegame.com

thats one guaranteed present on my birthday then

Very excited about this! Still got the old Mutant Chronicles RPG knocking about in my shed/man pit somewhere. Nostalgia attack here we come (last time that happened I ended up with 3 40k armies).

Laney

Mellon wrote:
I played and enjoyed warzone a fair bit during my late teens. However, today I'm way more sensitive to unbalanced and/or badly written rules. So I wonder if there will be crowdsourced playtesting (like the betatests of MMOs) or any other measures taken to ensure stringent balanced rulesets?

Because if this game too goes the way of Games Workshop in regard to rules being secondary to selling models, then I'm not interested.

Balancing: team of 12 educated brains atm, but there is still place for more,so if you are based in UK (Midlands) and interested just drop me PM.

Game play: revolution in tabletop gaming (rly, no joke!) and D20, Skirmish.... man... I'm selling too much info !

more to come!

Awesome, time to break out my treasure trove of ancient dice.

Ah, good to see the D20 and skirmish scale are sticking around. Always loved the granularity of the venerable D20, enough room for really minor tweaks to be made, but easier to roll en masse than percentile or something with a bell-curve to it (and thus, multiple dice). Which edition are you drawing the most inspiration from (if any at all)? I kind of liked Ultimate's half-way approach, with the balance of 2nd mixing with the flavour of 1st. But I could certainly see other ways of going with it. And I still enjoy me some games of 1st Edition (even if characters were insanely broken in it). Something about it basically being an RPG where you got to control your dude and a couple of squads was fun. 2nd Edition had some nice initial balance (ruined by the two army books) but was so, damn flavourless (and it's weapon range-band system was way too clunky for my taste).

Something that starts from the simplicity of 1st Edition, keeps some of that character generation stuff for making your own hero, but keeps a keen eye on balance between the armies (and making sure characters aren't better or worse for the points than they should be) would be my ideal. Ultimate hewed closer to 2nd in rules-terms but brought back a lot of the lovely flavour (like not having generic weapon profiles for all assault rifles). That was a great way to go, but I'd almost like to see what happens if you go from the opposite end and start with 1st, moving toward 2nd/UWZ on the balance axis.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Ah, good to see the D20 and skirmish scale are sticking around. Always loved the granularity of the venerable D20, enough room for really minor tweaks to be made, but easier to roll en masse than percentile or something with a bell-curve to it (and thus, multiple dice). Which edition are you drawing the most inspiration from (if any at all)? I kind of liked Ultimate's half-way approach, with the balance of 2nd mixing with the flavour of 1st. But I could certainly see other ways of going with it. And I still enjoy me some games of 1st Edition (even if characters were insanely broken in it). Something about it basically being an RPG where you got to control your dude and a couple of squads was fun. 2nd Edition had some nice initial balance (ruined by the two army books) but was so, damn flavourless (and it's weapon range-band system was way too clunky for my taste).

Something that starts from the simplicity of 1st Edition, keeps some of that character generation stuff for making your own hero, but keeps a keen eye on balance between the armies (and making sure characters aren't better or worse for the points than they should be) would be my ideal. Ultimate hewed closer to 2nd in rules-terms but brought back a lot of the lovely flavour (like not having generic weapon profiles for all assault rifles). That was a great way to go, but I'd almost like to see what happens if you go from the opposite end and start with 1st, moving toward 2nd/UWZ on the balance axis.

My friend, our 1st rule in this project is "Balance of forget about it!"
Max I can say is "going between " but we are making balanced/strategy/tactical game, therefore it must containssssssssssss ...... lest say "many aspects" of Strategy. I can assure you, your brain will hurt due to "extreme usage of your grey cells" after game! ... it will be a revolution (20+ years in tabletop gaming and I have not seen anything like this before) ...unlimited number of strategies/tactical movements !... man definitely not boring 3+,3+ 3+ .....

This game is made by Strategist for Strategist! And imho, this is only one way to stay on the market for many many years!
OK I must stop here

I still use about 40 of the Bauhaus militia as a troop of Cultists, and 30 Imperial regulars as another one. They were super cheap on eBay, and I'll be trying to get kids to use those as IG in my school league. They still look fine once you're not holding them 6 inches away form your eyes.


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Anyone here seen the fan movie made about Mutant Chronicles?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

Anyone here seen the fan movie made about Mutant Chronicles?

Oh god, I have that awful movie on DVD. I picked it up the day it was released. Not even Ron Pearlman and John Malkovich could save it.

As for this game, I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with it. A group of us worked for Target games as playtesters and demo teams waaaaaaaay back in the day (we even ran their games at the very first Origins) and always talk in wistful nostalgia about Warzone/Chonopia, wishing the games still existed. My current gaming group has only ever heard rumors and tales of the old days from me. In 1994, some of the minis were god-awful (Brotherhood Sergent). I'm excited to see the revamp almost 20 years later!

May Cardinal Durand look favorably on this venture!

I'm going to keep an eye on this since I already own a significant number of Bauhaus and Imperial plastics (120 of each), it would be nice to use them for the game they were designed for rather than just an Imperial Guard army. Not that I plan to stop making the guard army mind you, given the number of models I've got I should be able to get multiple armies built.

Yeah, the nice thing about WZ's skirmish scale and the 2nd Edition box was that you always had so many left over that they were perfect for other projects. I rarely got a chance to field more than 20 Ducal Militia at a given time and I have 80 of the blighters (and more that aren't even built). To add insult to injury, I tend to use Hussars more anyways. I think I fielded them all in a grand total of one game (and that sucker took a good long time to play).

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Mellon wrote:
I played and enjoyed warzone a fair bit during my late teens. However, today I'm way more sensitive to unbalanced and/or badly written rules. So I wonder if there will be crowdsourced playtesting (like the betatests of MMOs) or any other measures taken to ensure stringent balanced rulesets?

Because if this game too goes the way of Games Workshop in regard to rules being secondary to selling models, then I'm not interested.

Balancing: team of 12 educated brains atm, but there is still place for more,so if you are based in UK (Midlands) and interested just drop me PM.

Game play: revolution in tabletop gaming (rly, no joke!) and D20, Skirmish.... man... I'm selling too much info !

more to come!

Thanks for the leak then ;-)

It sounds like you have the right attitude towards the projekt. I'm looking forward to getting a closer look at it!

Warzone has interested me, ended up missing out on it for being too young but a local gaming center had an Imperial army on display about 5 years ago.

Ironically it was the Mutant Chronicles film that got me interested in the Warzone universe, hell I even managed to track down a copy of the Imperial book.

Warzone...balanced rules...D20...skirmish scale...

If you can keep all that...Im totally in, so very in.


Man this year is gonna be expensive for gaming...so many good things are coming out.

Ohh nostalgia.
Just knowing that it's going to be d20 system makes me happy. Like Ronin I want this to be close to 1st edition but without the Nimrod totting fully kitted Blood Beret Hero.

M.

ok, as it's after midnight !!!!!
meet Cybertronic Chasseur s



http://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection

Someone dares to touch that license again. Courageous. I still got plenty of Bauhaus here. Colour me interested.

I really like the pics so far. Am curious how that project will turn out all in all.

Well, I was never a fan of the first edition Chasseurs, but I guess you're going to stay with the 1st edition time period before Mk2 was introduced the so that's fine with me. And these look rather nice, perhaps with the exception of the chest armour. Not keen on that, doesn't look very Cybertronic to me.

Do you have anything for Brotherhood done? Like maybe the Mortificators? I was always a great fan of Sebastian Crenshaw, possibly because he was essentially Judge Dredd of the setting.

Edit: Wait, wasn't there a Mk1 chasseur mini doing the same clenched fist/stop gesture?

With GW heading for the cliff, there is actually room for another SciFi tabletop, more than when Warzone started.

Do previews and advertising, introductory games, quality sculpts, reasonable prices, good distribution, and support your fanbase, then the higher GW management in their isolation cells will have reason to get nervous

The chasseur sculpt is promising a high level of sculpts. The orginal sculpts aged a bit, although I still like many of those.
So good luck with not botching this (4th?) attempt. I am looking forward for Trenchers, Blood Berets, Wolfbairns (for Space Wolves!), Capitol Light Infantry, and the Bauhaus tank!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
ok, as it's after midnight !!!!!
meet Cybertronic Chasseur s



http://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection

Yes! Looking forward to more!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
ok, as it's after midnight !!!!!
meet Cybertronic Chasseur s



http://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection

Don't like the respirator one, the full mask looks good. The metal hands are perhaps too big they look too much like a GW power fist.

M.

looks like Bane... so I love it

I like those Chasseurs quite a bit. I've tracked down the old Warzone books and I like what I see both in terms of rules and fluff, though I haven't had time to thoroughly read them.

Definitely looking forward to more!