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 Ronin_eX wrote:
With Target it was almost completely unrelated to the game (which was actually around as popular as 40k at the time of the crash). Had they not been expanding so much at the time, they may have even survived. But with two major game lines (one with limited plastic production), an RPG, some board games and an upcoming spin-off (oh how I long for Chronopia Empires). Well, yeah, they would have needed a new source of funding, stat.

Popular - yes. That popular - no way.

They had a strong, passionate following, but nothing like GW in depth and breadth. They weren't even what PP is now to GW.

I was flirting with the game in 2nd edition. Their 'new' models were very nice for the time. The plastics were a strong effort but sub par even then.

I'm intrigued, but not super optimistic, especially based on the renders thus far.

Bring it on I still have 20 or so light infantry from the capital forces with the drill sgt hats and gas masks. Hep there goes my spring budget.lol

WZ was pretty big in my gaming area. We were playing out of a chapter approved GW store as well. It was very popular. Excellent game system. Well before...

The collapse really torqued me.

a few questions.

Will the new line your making be compatible with the old lines? I see a render of a 'Kratach' assault rifle and it's a dead ringer for the weapons the original models had.

Will all factions be made? I see dark legion and cybertronic which is a nice start. if I can remember correctly the Dark legion had 4 or 5 factions and the humans had 7, I'm going off memory here.

Will this be a crowdfunded project? everyone seems to be going that direction and if the end result is plastic minis I could probably be talked into supporting it.

Will the models be on 25mm bases like the original models or 30mm bases like so many newer companys make?

Gamingdog wrote:


Will this be a crowdfunded project? everyone seems to be going that direction and if the end result is plastic minis I could probably be talked into supporting it.

If this a is cloak for a kickstarter, I'm out.

 Byte wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
ok, as it's after midnight !!!!!
meet Cybertronic Chasseur s



http://www.facebook.com/WarzoneResurrection

Yes! Looking forward to more!

Got to say not a fan! I always hated the shirtless cybertronic guys and their bullet proof wifebeaters. There are much better ways to depict cyborgs. The only cybertronic minis I liked were the shock troopers and the hero character they had.

And please stay away from things like the capitol rangers wearing dusters and big silly hats and for GOD sake no football helmets. That was one of the things that I didn't like about the old miniature line, some of it was just silly some of it was just poorly executed. Most of the stuff that came out later was much better. Maybe tone down some of the nationalistic stuff, Clansmen were cool and all, but lets update them a little bit, make them less hookey. Same with Mashima, The Samurai thing is cool, but can we get something that at least looks sort of realistic, not just samurai armored guys with guns riding dragon go carts?

Ok, for the love of god, exercise some quality control with the miniatures lines this time. Keep scale consistency tight, and if you present people with tremendous artwork for what a unit is "supposed" to look like, be sure that the finished model actually looks something like it! I've admired the Warzone setting and its potential for a very long time, but the game has consistently been disappointed by its own miniatures at almost every turn.

The miniatures are key. I can tell you that unless the Bauhaus minis are really good, you are not going to sell any! The market is already flooded with the old plastics and unless the new ones are really good, here is what people will use for them.


Id love some plastic Panzerknackers to put on dreamforge stormtroopers!

Andrew1975 wrote: ''The miniatures are key. I can tell you that unless the Bauhaus minis are really good, you are not going to sell any! The market is already flooded with the old plastics and unless the new ones are really good, here is what people will use for them. ''

Andrew you are right! For me I feel that it is important to use the images and themes that are part of the cannon of WZ, but use cutting edge technology to make a miniature that acurately mirrors whats there. Think LOTR films, they were very faithfully to the book and hence the trilogy was a massive hit. Their problem now with the Hobbit is they have got too cocky and greedy and diverged too much from the book, hence the luke-warm reaction from the fan base. We have learnt from such reactions (and feel them ourselves). Prodos Gamesltd mission is to make cutting edge and amazing miniatures faithful to the cannon of mutant chronicles. If it wasn't though we would have been mad to aquire the licence. I hope that helps. These are very exciting times. Give us a chance and I think you will be very plesantly suprised. We aren't trying to be like anyone else, or steal their business. We want people to buy because they love what we are doing, in a great rich and absorbing concept universe of the MC IP.

 Gertjan wrote:
Ah bugger, ofcourse this comes up only a few weeks after I finally managed to sell everything I had of my Wolves... Blasted, ah well, even though I burned my fingers on it time and again, it is also part of nostagia so keen to see how it'll work out.

Luckily i am a hoarder, i have still all my warzone and chronopia stuff, although halfway away on the globe

I'm a little worried here, I love the original art and don't understand why the old concepts aren't being used. If this is going to be like FF's horrible try at MC with a whole new aesthetics I'm out! Cybertronic have an awesome aestethic, which the old CT minis failed to "actualize", that a skilled artist should be able to make wonders with!

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
I'm a little worried here, I love the original art and don't understand why the old concepts aren't being used.

So far we've seen a Legionnaire, Alakhai and a Chasseur. The first two look to be very faithful to their original depictions and Mk1 Chasseurs only ever had the miniatures, and the new ones seems to be following that aesthetic for good or worse.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
*picture of Dreamforge Stormtroopers

I don't think those make good Bauhaus stand-ins. Bauhaus had a strong WW1 Prussian vibe to it, not WW2 German.

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
I'm a little worried here, I love the original art and don't understand why the old concepts aren't being used. If this is going to be like FF's horrible try at MC with a whole new aesthetics I'm out! Cybertronic have an awesome aestethic, which the old CT minis failed to "actualize", that a skilled artist should be able to make wonders with!

is that more "classic" to you Sir ?



As we work under MC license, everything is approved by Paradox team and FREDRIK MALMBERG! the GOD/creator of MC cannon and he loves all bits so far






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Gamingdog wrote:
a few questions.

Will the new line your making be compatible with the old lines? I see a render of a 'Kratach' assault rifle and it's a dead ringer for the weapons the original models had.

Will all factions be made? I see dark legion and cybertronic which is a nice start. if I can remember correctly the Dark legion had 4 or 5 factions and the humans had 7, I'm going off memory here.

Will this be a crowdfunded project? everyone seems to be going that direction and if the end result is plastic minis I could probably be talked into supporting it.

Will the models be on 25mm bases like the original models or 30mm bases like so many newer companys make?

1. Yes
2. Aiming at 4 to 5 to start with !
3. Don't know yet ... it's good commercial tool... but don't know...
4. 30mm, but you can play with old models (25mm) as well (balance rules for 25mm included in rulebook )

That's an Atilla Cuirassier, right? A Machinator maybe?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
30mm, but you can play with old models (25mm) as well (balance rules for 25mm included in rulebook )

You actually have balance rules for older edition base sizes? What is this, I don't even...

If the alternative is between metal/resin on your own and plastic minis on KS, I could very well see myself sinking a bit of money on funding it.

If the alternative is between metal/resin on your own and plastic minis on KS, I could very well see myself sinking a bit of money on funding it.

Seconded.

Does '' Aiming at 4 to 5 to start with'' mean you will include only 4-5 faction in rulebook or just 4-5 factions will get new miniatures?

Shadow Walker wrote:
Does '' Aiming at 4 to 5 to start with'' mean you will include only 4-5 faction in rulebook or just 4-5 factions will get new miniatures?

Everything you need you will find in rulebook! ,

4 - 5 Corps/Legion with revamped range of minis to start with + MAYBE some new stuff not seen in 1st, 2nd and Ulti ,MAYBE



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 His Master's Voice wrote:
That's an Atilla Cuirassier, right? A Machinator maybe?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
30mm, but you can play with old models (25mm) as well (balance rules for 25mm included in rulebook )

You actually have balance rules for older edition base sizes? What is this, I don't even...

Is that bad thing? ... base in skirmish game is critical for balance and we don't want nobody to take an advantage of having a bit smaller base .... We think people will want to use the new models because they are so cool,
but are sure many will still want to play with their vintage stuff

I am cautiously optimistic about this news. Warzone was the first game I ever did any play testing with. I was a big Mishima and Brotherhood fan as well as having quite a few Imperial models. I sort of got lost once they introduced the tribes of earth, but otherwise I loved the setting. Fortunately model making has come a long way since the cybertronic walking Easter egg of doom. I will be following future developments very closely.

I am wary of Kickstarters, I haven't yet funded anything even though there have been some worthy projects. I am willing to make a start with Warzone though, provided that I can be reassured that the miniatures are high quality (looking good so far) and that the rules are decent.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Is that bad thing?

On the contrary, I think that shows an unprecedented level of commitment to the rules if you think about how minimally different base sizes affect the overall balance of your rules set.

What I've seen looks ace so far. I'd go for a kickstarter if that's what was needed to get plastic minis (though I'd be happy with resin, I hate metal and I'd have to think very hard before putting money in).

Any chance of a related RPG (I loved that back in the day).

Laney

His Master's Voice wrote:

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
I'm a little worried here, I love the original art and don't understand why the old concepts aren't being used.

So far we've seen a Legionnaire, Alakhai and a Chasseur. The first two look to be very faithful to their original depictions and Mk1 Chasseurs only ever had the miniatures, and the new ones seems to be following that aesthetic for good or worse.

I was mostly talking about the cybertronics concepts, the Legionnaire looks really promising! Here is what I believe is the first chassuer picture, sure it's Coral Beach (the picture is used to depict chassuer units though) who is a Doom Trooper but that is what I'd expect them to look. May not fit everyone's taste but I like the simplicity of it.

Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
I'm a little worried here, I love the original art and don't understand why the old concepts aren't being used. If this is going to be like FF's horrible try at MC with a whole new aesthetics I'm out! Cybertronic have an awesome aestethic, which the old CT minis failed to "actualize", that a skilled artist should be able to make wonders with!

is that more "classic" to you Sir ?



As we work under MC license, everything is approved by Paradox team and FREDRIK MALMBERG! the GOD/creator of MC cannon and he loves all bits so far

It's a really cool concept (looks like a robot version of a Razide) and would fit the Gears of War or Halo universe perfectly. But if that's your take on the Attila units or the like I will be quite disappointed, it's a big departure from the rather simplistic Cybertronic aesthetics which I love. I might be hard to please though, I've been playing most versions of MC from rpg's (before it was called Mutant Chronicles) to tabletop games (including the more family-friendly games like Siege of the Citadell, Blood Berets, Fury of the Clansmen) and I'm a die hard fan of those original incarnations. I understand if you feel the need to update the look somewhat but if you alter it too much I'm simply not interested. Here is what an Attila unit looks to me (I'd love to see a mini that makes this picture justice):

Don't worry, it's not Attila. I will pots new Attila in next couple of days, I can assure you that you wont be disappointed

 scipio.au wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
With Target it was almost completely unrelated to the game (which was actually around as popular as 40k at the time of the crash). Had they not been expanding so much at the time, they may have even survived. But with two major game lines (one with limited plastic production), an RPG, some board games and an upcoming spin-off (oh how I long for Chronopia Empires). Well, yeah, they would have needed a new source of funding, stat.

Popular - yes. That popular - no way.

I wouldn't really be half surprised if it were. 40K was still pretty uncommon in most the US, and when I was in Germany during the late 1990s I think I met more people playing Warzone than 40K.

I do understand what you are saying c0un7_z3r0, but I honestly feel with all the baggage that the IP has for the tabletop game, if they do not re-imagine and innovate the designs the game could just flounder and die again. Which as another die hard fan would hate to see. I would prefer nods to the original designs with an updated look and feel to them.

Things like others have mentioned, retaining the iconic shoulder armor, but refining them to be more proportional.

Color me Excited beyond belief and hopeful that Warzone "sticks around" this time for good!

some clues what we might have here :

Chasseurs
Cuirassiers
Mirrormen
Enhanced Chasseur
Mark I "Machinator"
Mark III "Attila" - its definitely not this one

Mark I "Machinator"

Yummy!

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 scipio.au wrote:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
With Target it was almost completely unrelated to the game (which was actually around as popular as 40k at the time of the crash). Had they not been expanding so much at the time, they may have even survived. But with two major game lines (one with limited plastic production), an RPG, some board games and an upcoming spin-off (oh how I long for Chronopia Empires). Well, yeah, they would have needed a new source of funding, stat.

Popular - yes. That popular - no way.

I wouldn't really be half surprised if it were. 40K was still pretty uncommon in most the US, and when I was in Germany during the late 1990s I think I met more people playing Warzone than 40K.

It was huge in the San Francisco Bay Area in the late 90's, easily as popular as 40k. I played both at the time and was never left wanting for a game!