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Everything about WZ coming back is good.

So at what model count will the game be considered full size? Around a platoon of soldiers, a few characters and some vehicles, robots or monsters? Or are we looking at a smaller skirmish game with 10 or less? Or are we shooting to out do GW in terms of models needed and go for 100+ per side as the full sized game?

agustin wrote:
So at what model count will the game be considered full size? Around a platoon of soldiers, a few characters and some vehicles, robots or monsters? Or are we looking at a smaller skirmish game with 10 or less? Or are we shooting to out do GW in terms of models needed and go for 100+ per side as the full sized game?

Previous editions were playable at anything between a squad and a hero and several squads, vehicles and multiple heroes/command models. A squad was usually 7 or more IIRC. It was pretty flexible, dunno how much of the previous system remains in the new rules.

DO WANT

I want to squeal like a little girl so many nice memories like my last Hatamoto rolling 3 straight 1s armor rolls aganist a Deathegg...

I'm really liking what's in store plus we WZ veterans have the advantage that if the initial release jumps our army we can still play with out vintage miniatures.

M.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

agustin wrote:
So at what model count will the game be considered full size? Around a platoon of soldiers, a few characters and some vehicles, robots or monsters? Or are we looking at a smaller skirmish game with 10 or less? Or are we shooting to out do GW in terms of models needed and go for 100+ per side as the full sized game?

Previous editions were playable at anything between a squad and a hero and several squads, vehicles and multiple heroes/command models. A squad was usually 7 or more IIRC. It was pretty flexible, dunno how much of the previous system remains in the new rules.

correct, no changes here, same good, old... and not expensive! but awesome tabletop game!

Will Imperials be in the first batch of factions?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Will Imperials be in the first batch of factions?

oh, i hope so, need me some trenchers! (with a black adder officer! )

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

agustin wrote:
So at what model count will the game be considered full size? Around a platoon of soldiers, a few characters and some vehicles, robots or monsters? Or are we looking at a smaller skirmish game with 10 or less? Or are we shooting to out do GW in terms of models needed and go for 100+ per side as the full sized game?

Previous editions were playable at anything between a squad and a hero and several squads, vehicles and multiple heroes/command models. A squad was usually 7 or more IIRC. It was pretty flexible, dunno how much of the previous system remains in the new rules.

correct, no changes here, same good, old... and not expensive! but awesome tabletop game!

Fantastic. I love lower model count games. I find if you want to play a really big game, it's easier to scale up and take more time than to risk balance issues when you take a high model count game and try to play a small version.

Following on facebook now.

And prior to UWZ, you could go with a troop selection that was much more elite, and risk just taking less models than the opponent.

Though I have to admit, the amount of cheese you could pile unto a single hero was borderline ridiculous. And the same combos would be used time and again.

I remember my Venusian Ranger Captain with his Deathlockdrum, Command Helment, Cybernetic Power Arm and Subdermal Armor Implants. That was a beatstick if I ever saw one.

Is there any hope of Chronopia coming out?
I love the background and would love to see what can be done with the concept art.

Going to be following this witha lot of interest. The background was cool, concepts were good and the rules were really well done. The dozen or so games I had before they went away were all good, non ambiguous and eay to play.

Those Undead Legionnaires look Kick-Ass! Hoping this works as I also have the old books for MC/WZ and I had Bauhuas/Cybertronic/brotherhood/Dark Soul forces of Algeroth

I liked 2nd ed Hussars more than 1st, but I did manage a squad of 1st ed Hussars to make into a grenadier force for my IG

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I do hope there will be a bit more variety in stances. They all seem to have legs in the same position. Other than that, yeah, great vanilla Legionnaires.

They are undead, don't expect too much from then in posing. The zombie stance is pretty basic, they are not going to be super dynamic. But they look very appropriate,

Please tell me bringing back Chronopia and the releaseing of the unreleased "Epic" scale Chronopia might be in the cards some day (soon!!!!)

Quick question? How are you doing the sculpts, traditional or CAD? Are you going for multi pose plastics or single pose resin and or metal? Just going from the pics it doesn't look like multi pose plastic, which I really think is the way to go.

Lol, I just sold most of my warzone stuff last year and NOW it's making a comeback! Best of luck to the game makers! (not sarcastic) It was a decent set of rules and art (minis were as previously mentioned across the spectrum from great to horrible) and it's good to see it coming back. Now.. if only VOR would do something similar before I sell it...

 warboss wrote:
Lol, I just sold most of my warzone stuff last year and NOW it's making a comeback! Best of luck to the game makers! (not sarcastic) It was a decent set of rules and art (minis were as previously mentioned across the spectrum from great to horrible) and it's good to see it coming back. Now.. if only VOR would do something similar before I sell it...

Maybe that's the key! If you sell all your VOR stuff, someone will revive it next year!

Warzone Resurrection wrote:........yes, but you will get this:

Now don't get me wrong. The renders look cool but it ain't Dark Legion Undead Legionnaires, it's the generic biotech zombies from any sci-fi fps-game from the last decade holding Kratach rifles. This is like putting a boltgan in a spartanesque (as in Halo-spartans) armoured dudes hands ( who got slightly rounded shoulder-pads) and call it a space marine. This is exploiting an IP to sell something that in all aspects seems to be something new and just leave some "tokens of gratitude" (like the Kratach rifles or the profile of some shoulder-armor) to please the crowd. I ain't buying it. To me there is little to distinguish this from say, sedition wars, which sports some awesome minis but it's far from MC/WZ. To me, Mutant Chronicles is what it is because the sometimes odd low-tech aesthetics (which there is a reason for, since all fancy pants technology got possessed by the darkness when it got released so humanity now have to rely on subpar tech to what they previously had, except for cybetronic which is the newest corporation and which everyone looks at with suspicion). Sure some things might have to go (like the cybertronic tank) and some things might need a minor tweek but not the extensive overhauls we've seen here this far. If there is a need to eradicate the original aesthetics and just keep some details, why not make an entirely new game, call it something else, make it heavily influenced by MC/WZ but don't use the names because this simply isn't that. If you don't trust in the aesthetics that comes with the IP why use the IP at all unless you just want to spare the costs of developing one of your own? I'll consider MC/WZ dead until I get a good reason to revalue my opinion, to me this is merely a Mutant Chronicles inspired game for the Xbox generation that got little to do with it's "muse".

This looks like an even better representation of the sinister semi intelligen bio-tech-zombies of the Dark Legion:

 Ronin_eX wrote:
And lets face it, even classics like the death egg could use a revamp.

Oh god. You just reminded me that I've got one of those. I rebased it on 2x 50mm bases (or 40mm?) and replaced the weapon arms. Or one of them. Never finished the project, no idea where it is.. but it'll be in one of my old bits boxes...

Cmon z3r0, you expected to see all models same like in 90s? That already fallen once. It`s good guys have a fresh approach. I thing that leggionare you posted looks dumb silly and aged. Lets see what will come next as those are just leggionares and preety great for me also. I love WZ, bring it on. I have my eyes on it.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

agustin wrote:
So at what model count will the game be considered full size? Around a platoon of soldiers, a few characters and some vehicles, robots or monsters? Or are we looking at a smaller skirmish game with 10 or less? Or are we shooting to out do GW in terms of models needed and go for 100+ per side as the full sized game?

Previous editions were playable at anything between a squad and a hero and several squads, vehicles and multiple heroes/command models. A squad was usually 7 or more IIRC. It was pretty flexible, dunno how much of the previous system remains in the new rules.

Yeah, it was pretty flexible. We tended to play 1st edition with 2-4 squads and a couple of heroes or special models.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
My friend, our 1st rule in this project is "Balance of forget about it!"
Max I can say is "going between " but we are making balanced/strategy/tactical game, therefore it must containssssssssssss ...... lest say "many aspects" of Strategy. I can assure you, your brain will hurt due to "extreme usage of your grey cells" after game! ... it will be a revolution (20+ years in tabletop gaming and I have not seen anything like this before) ...unlimited number of strategies/tactical movements !... man definitely not boring 3+,3+ 3+ .....

This game is made by Strategist for Strategist! And imho, this is only one way to stay on the market for many many years!
OK I must stop here

I wanna start off by saying that I'm very excited about this. I still own every single Mutant Chronicle, and Warzone, model, and publication.

I hope you're not making the game too brain hurty. There are a couple games out there that require me to take breaks in between games. I don't want to feel "burned out" after I play a game of Warzone.

 scipio.au wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

agustin wrote:
So at what model count will the game be considered full size? Around a platoon of soldiers, a few characters and some vehicles, robots or monsters? Or are we looking at a smaller skirmish game with 10 or less? Or are we shooting to out do GW in terms of models needed and go for 100+ per side as the full sized game?

Previous editions were playable at anything between a squad and a hero and several squads, vehicles and multiple heroes/command models. A squad was usually 7 or more IIRC. It was pretty flexible, dunno how much of the previous system remains in the new rules.

Yeah, it was pretty flexible. We tended to play 1st edition with 2-4 squads and a couple of heroes or special models.

I hope it will remain like WZ 1st edition. Skirmish - tactical. I loved that!


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 Steel Rabbit wrote:


I wanna start off by saying that I'm very excited about this. I still own every single Mutant Chroncile, and Warzone model, and publication.

I hope you're not making the game too brain hurty. There are a couple games out there that require me to take breaks in between games. I don't want to feel "burned out" after I play a game of Warzone.

Wat in the world is better than feel exhausted, tierd and with CUP in a hand after winning tournament?
What i really want them to avoid is WH40k-like tournament. Everyting forward and lets see what happend. Old WZ style mixed with Warmachine. That will be great

Two things make these news great for me:

1) Nostalgia: I have been a fan of the WZ and Chronopia universes while the games were still allive and beating. Alas, I never had the chance to properly explore them before the collapse of the Target Games. And now this release gives me the opportunity to. Bauhaus and Imperials, here I come!

2) Timing: The recent price changes of GW was the final straw for me. I got priced out, not because I cannot afford their games any longer, but because I hate being exploited like that and being treated like an idiot. I have sold all the armies of 40k that I own (bar Space Marines) and I plan to re-invest these money to companies with fresher ideas and a fairer business ethos.

To sum up; The concepts I have seen so far are great and I am going to vote a big "YES" for this game with my wallet.

P.S.: I know that it is out of topic, but do you have any plans on re-releasing Chronopia too? This was for me the best Fantasy game setting ever! Please, do!

If this keeps as good as within the last hours I am all in.
Warzon 1st edition is still one of my favourite rulesets. I even reused (in differnet ways) some of the design elements (alternate unit activation etc) in my Victory Decision game.

Just for old times sake...


I had a big Mishima and Capitol force,
see: http://adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html
the Capitol army is now sold and most of Mishima is also gone...

Time for new WZ forces!!!

Keep us informed!

GrandLegion wrote:
Cmon z3r0, you expected to see all models same like in 90s? That already fallen once. It`s good guys have a fresh approach. I thing that leggionare you posted looks dumb silly and aged. Lets see what will come next as those are just leggionares and preety great for me also. I love WZ, bring it on. I have my eyes on it.

Well, legionnaires should look rather dumb and I do believe the original legionnaires look much more sinister in a sluggish kind of way. And yes I expect the minis, for the most part, to look like the designs made back in the 90's the same way I expect a Space Marine to look like a Space Marine (which date back to the 80's). I'm not saying the concepts and renders we've seen this far is ugly or of bad, it's just not very MC. Sure the razide looks top A this far but I expect a more MC feel about the legionnaires and cybetronic-minis. To take away what's unique about MC and place yourself in the middle of the road concerning aesthetics does not sound like a good business plan in today's climate where mediocre (while still cool) miniatures are released on a regular basis from garage-companies to bigger fishes. Sure the old MC aesthetics might have edges that some people will bump into but that is what makes it MC.

And I for one still believe this looks awesome:

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:

The renders look cool but it ain't Dark Legion Undead Legionnaires, it's the generic biotech zombies from any sci-fi fps-game from the last decade holding Kratach rifles.

Eh, these look exactly like vanilla Legionnaires right out of conversion chambers and match a lot of the artwork produced for both Warzone and Doomtrooper. I don't see how the dead Viking style of Bonner legionnaires could make the transition to modern design without looking ridonkulus.

As I said, I feel they have samey poses, but the overall aesthetic is very much in line with what I expected.

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
And yes I expect the minis, for the most part, to look like the designs made back in the 90's the same way I expect a Space Marine to look like a Space Marine (which date back to the 80's).

Just so we have some context here this is how SM's used to look like back in RT era

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wT_dsoa_R8s/TSuJd1F2w4I/AAAAAAAAAhY/362tScrfS3Y/s1600/rainbow+warriors.png

and this is how they look right now

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121011234134/warhammer40k/images/e/e2/Ultramarines_Artificer_Armour.jpg

I dare say that's more of a design update than what we're seeing here, at least for the Legionnaires that are literally a funny helmet away from Bonner and Horley's work.

@His Master's Voice - I have an RT era SM army (with the original RT miniatures) so yes I do know how they used to look like and yes it have changes slightly (even though the beaky has remained largely the same). However, the design of the basic space marine have not changed much since the 90's and haven't ever been as drastically reinvented as the Cybertronic concepts we've seen this far reinvents the cybertronic aesthetics.

Well, I guess you could argue that about whatever the big mechanical guy is, and I'd be inclined to agree with you that he looks more DL than Cybertronic right now, but you kinda started with the Legionnaires for whatever reason...

c0un7_z3r0 do you want another company to go bankrupt due to Warzone curse! ??
If not,please stop trolling, like what you have here, as P Bonner ( his vision and his pre stone style) should not be a gauge to "how they should look like" blahblahblah.

For me, they just have my wallet with all content! And now GW has something to fear, again!
Bring it back now! Kickstarter or anything ,you have my money and please shake this market!.