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GBL wrote:
Really want to back this.

Only issues have already been mentioned.

It does not cost 12 pounds to ship 2 small boxes to Australia from Britain.

They really do need to find a sweet spot pledge.

find someone who is wiling to pledge and share cost with.

Shipping cost is really high, maybe they can differentiate it between countries? 12 pound for shipping to Italy is really too much.... I'll back however, cause i like the game and the backgroud, but i fear it's not the most cost saving campaign in which i've taken part

I can't stop being amazed about how responsive Prodos is to our feedback. I mean it's great not only because our "desires" are fulfilled, but because it is also indicative of how serious the guys behind WZ take their effort.

To be honest, I think that this kind of conduct is rather unique in the business. Thank you guys!

I'd like to address three issues which concerns shoulder plates, modern & reasonable design and consistent line of thought. Now bear in mind, English isn't my native language so expressing my thoughts here is a bit difficult. And this is how I see things, I'm not saying this is the only way to view things!

First I'd just like to say I believe there have been three factions concerning the aesthetics to be used in this relaunch of warzone. There have been those who go "we need something completely new" and those who go "let's stick to the old art" (ie not the old miniature design) and a middle position of those who want things to at least remind us of the old stuff but that wouldn't mind seeing some updates. I place myself in the middle position (after initially being more to the conservative side of things) with the reservation that I believe some of the old art could be used basically as it is (Venusian Rangers, Blood Berets, Inquisitors) while some stuff probably have to be completely reinvented (Cybertronic Light Recon Vehicle, Capitol the Great Gray, some of those bdsm-looking DL stuff).

Many people have been asking for a new and more reasonable design apart from the "old, silly & dated" design, a design more in sync with the 21st century as in no more big shoulder plates etc. But what do people really mean by this, what's new with new design, it's not really obvious is it? "Isn't it?" someone might ask, well let me explain. When it comes to the new Bauhaus concepts people are discussing the best way to design armor to increase the likelihood of bullets and shrapnel to bounce of ricochet of leaving the wearer safe. Looking at what's out there I'm not sure this have been a great issue for to many game-designers though. Some people have ridiculed one of the two versions of the Chasseurs making jokes about their bullet proof wife-beaters (I feel you I never liked them either).

But now things gets interesting, it seems as if some people are really concerned about how purposeful an armor should look and asks for a new design for the same reason wile letting the new Chasseurs compleaterly pass under their radars whose design is based on the exact same ideas as the old ridiculed ones with bullet proof wifebeaters. How purposeful is it to walk in to the heat of battle without as much as even a wifebeater on to protecht their vital organs? Sure they got armor under their skin, but how much is that and where is it located, by the look of it it seems to be located under their muscles which at large seems unprotected. And I'd say you don't have to kill someone that can't use their arms because their muscles are torn off by bullets. What do they got to make bullets ricochet of them, do they flex their muscles? If flesh were such a great bullet-stopper why is it that some police-forces (like the Swedish) have stopped using FMJ-ammo and started using those bullets that gets fragmented when they enter the body (don't know their name)? And how new and fresh is the idea of half naked muscular men? They got as much in common with Conan than some cyborg from the future.

I'd say the new chasseur concept is just as dated as anything from the old range. Now don't get me wrong, they do look cool, they don't remind me much of anything from cybertronic though and the do not make any sense. As I've said before, why would the smallest mega corporation with the least manpower an probably most expensive soldiers not make use of proper armor? My point is, MC/WZ have never been about making sense and still Isn't, the rule of cool still applies and hiding behind arguments about sensible design is a bit silly since the design still clearly isn't. Which brings us to the next issue, sure no one have to love the old design but please be consistent in your arguments and think of what you say. If you like the new design that is all fine but don't discredit someone as being backwards for loving the old stuff especially since this "new" design might not be as "forward" as it might seem. Sure about design, there is a point of making things look somewhat reasonable but when people are getting in to arguments about "have you ever worn a plated armor" I'd say we are missing the point. MC/WZ to me is all about a cool take on a, now days, quite common theme regarding the world, history an fluff in general as well as cool if at times somewhat odd design (which do need some updates to a varying degree).

So about my last issue, shoulder plates. I really do like the new sleek Bauhaus design and the alternative helmets were great to see (apart from the one they are currently wearing the far right one is the best one imo) it would be interesting to see them with shoulder-plates with a more old school vibe to it! Just to make a comparison if nothing else! Because, as much as I like the new Bauhaus shoulder plates, I'd hated if the same thing would have happened to the brotherhood or if this is going to happen with Imperial and the others but especially Imperial so I can really understand if some people are a bit upset.

So, that's my take on the current state of things so to speak, if you disagree of believe if got things wrong, please do discuss it with me. And above all I love Prodos for reviving WarZone and bringing the MC universe back to our lives THANK YOU FOR THAT, YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!!!

praetor24 wrote:
An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

Damn, now I have to pledge for Dark Legion, These Legionaries are just too good!
And they can even serve on double duty as generic SF Zs!!!


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Prodos wrote:

AAN we will have a forum on our website very soon: warzonegame.com
Until then we are using Facebook for this, and as I've said previously, we will continue posting on the interested forums everything posted on FB, unless some one else gets there first (which they often do )

Also I'm not sure we can or should link to the other forums for various different reasons!

Thanks for the good News!
...and I am not proposing to link from here, but maybe from the KS itself, or?



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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Helmets, you may vote for any two from this pack at our Facebook, or just drop me PM.

1st and second row right corner, booth have a suitable WWI/ II ish feel and are Close enough to the original designs!


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Damn again, now they have me, just pledged at "The Razide" Level...

praetor24 wrote:
An update from the facebook forums. Undead Legionaries, production minis. Simply excellent!

By far the best "zombie" models yet, and they look like multi-part plastics to boot? This project now has my attention.

An update for the "Brotherhood" from their facebook page with this comment by one of the guys in Prodos team: "ohh and btw this is a Quality of model you will get! Unpainted obviously "

While I like the idea of re-vamping WZ this isn't looking as hot as I hoped.
Naysayer I know....

So positive input.
Give Bauhaus thigh armor please.
Take a look at the concepts for metal gear rising before going any further with cybertronic. The Ork style custom mekboy fas'runnin legs just ruin a cool idea. You took the head from basic trooper from rising... go a little further n make a killer model and model line if the whole thing looked metal gear.

DL is cool zombies n demons w guns kinda hard to mess that up.

And someone looks like a cross between the religious faction from warmachine and cylons from battlestar.

5deadly wrote:While I like the idea of re-vamping WZ this isn't looking as hot as I hoped.
Naysayer I know....

So positive input.
Give Bauhaus thigh armor please.
Take a look at the concepts for metal gear rising before going any further with cybertronic. The Ork style custom mekboy fas'runnin legs just ruin a cool idea. You took the head from basic trooper from rising... go a little further n make a killer model and model line if the whole thing looked metal gear.

DL is cool zombies n demons w guns kinda hard to mess that up.

And someone looks like a cross between the religious faction from warmachine and cylons from battlestar.

You do know that Target Games Brotherhood design predates PPs Menoth design? But I kind of agree about the Cybertronic dudes...

praetor24 wrote:An update for the "Brotherhood" from their facebook page with this comment by one of the guys in Prodos team: "ohh and btw this is a Quality of model you will get! Unpainted obviously "

Looks awesome! Even though I'm a brotherhood player I've never been a fan of Dominic until now!

 Ronin_eX wrote:
I'm interested to see if you changed the Panzerknacker up a bit or kept it the same (the Equalizer is perfect, which I'm glad about, my MC characters always carried one), I'm not married to its design and it is always interesting to see things updated. Like the LMGs (can't remember the name of 'em Stone...something...hmm, the Wolf-headed dragoon Kapitan has one) quite a bit. Close to the originals but a bit sleeker (which I like for Bauhaus, as their equipment is supposed to be the best of the best, even compared to Cybertronic).\

I did redesign the Panzerknacker slightly, there are two versions that should have come with the Hussar concept, but for some reason I put them on the Ranger concept. Then again, when the KS hits 35k you'll see them as renders one way or the other.

@His Masters Voice - How much of the Bauhaus range have you been redesigning?

What you saw plus Rangers and another troop type that's not revealed yet.

praetor24 wrote:
An update for the "Brotherhood" from their facebook page with this comment by one of the guys in Prodos team: "ohh and btw this is a Quality of model you will get! Unpainted obviously "

Spoiler:

Nice, but maybe something about the shoes should be modified. It looks like he's wearing "Crocs"!

New concept as alternative to Cybertronic Starter box hero one.
Still WIPs,






and banner for supporters

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
New concept as alternative to Cybertronic Starter box hero one.
Still WIPs,






and banner for supporters

Guys, the interactive way you are running this project amazes me. Not only that, but also the timely manner -or should I say lightning fast- that you respond to our feedback!

There is a problem with the banner though. Instead of directing to the KS page, it directs to imageshack. Do you think you can fix this?

Guys you are realy proffesionals. I must admit that at the beggining i was full of doubts, but now i know that the Warzone brand is in right hands. Thanks for a banner, now I'm going to spread Warzone propaganda.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
What you saw plus Rangers and another troop type that's not revealed yet.

OK, It will be interesting to see the rest when we reach 35k! Is there any version with a more traditional shoulder plate, it would be nice to compare it with the atm official version. But even though I like my MC-characters to have somewhat big shoulder-plates I kind of like the idea with a unit that brakes the rule so to speak.


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I really like the new Cybertronic hero concept! That one really got som nice CT-vibes!

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Helmets, you may vote for any two from this pack at our Facebook, or just drop me PM.

The 2 on the far right. They should definately come with a Pickelhaube spike though, if people don't like it it is trivially easy to remove but a lot harder to add.

GBL wrote:
Really want to back this.

Only issues have already been mentioned.

It does not cost 12 pounds to ship 2 small boxes to Australia from Britain.

They really do need to find a sweet spot pledge.

Actually it might well cost that much (remember this is resin and while lighter than metal it's not weightless), and they have to allow for stretch goal weight increases, labour costs and packing material

airmail prices from roayl mail

800g = £12.10
700g = £10.80
600g = £9.54

so not cheap but not insanely overpriced

I like this new concept of the cybertronic hero.

Would it be possible to have the render of each starter set mini uncolored and in bigger size ?

thanks

BTW love these undead legionnaire. Just hope that they have somme accessories to spice them up a bit

Revamped concept for Vulkan. These guys at Prodos seem to know their job well and they definitely have both their ears open to community's feedback.


Enjoy!

Well, two boxes and a couple of books, to be fair. I really must be inured to shipping costs, 12GBP didn't seem that bad to me. I've paid much more for much smaller orders. *shrug*

A big problem with a lot of Kickstarters is low-balled shipping costs eating in to the funds. So I'd prefer if we pay a bit extra for shipping to ensure that they actually get the money they need to, you know, fund the project properly.

¡Vulkan much better!

Everassur great Redesign

That Vulkan sketch looks stunning. I think that's confirmed my choice of Bauhaus as one of the starter boxes.

Love the Everassur redesign.

I was even a fan of the first Vulkan concept... but that one is amazing. I'll take 20!

The Everasseur isn't too shabby either.

Vulkan redesign is good, but hopefully theyr will be a more glamourous head alson included.

I actually kind of preferred the slimmer Vulkan myself. Oh well, the new one is cool too. Will it have any kind of cover for the operator's head as an option?

Also, I've been meaning to direct a few questions to Prodos.
1)Will all Starter boxes receive troop expansions as they're unlocked, or will they be optional add-ons?
2)What sort of content will be in the limited edition rulebook that won't be in the rules included with the starter?
3)Is the limited edition rulebook hard cover or soft?

I'm trying to decide if I want to get the Necromutant or Kickstarter level.

Great redesigns of the Vulkan and Everassur! I really like the new redesigns, and hope they make it into the starter boxes.

praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
New concept as alternative to Cybertronic Starter box hero one.
Still WIPs,

Guys, the interactive way you are running this project amazes me. Not only that, but also the timely manner -or should I say lightning fast- that you respond to our feedback!

There is a problem with the banner though. Instead of directing to the KS page, it directs to imageshack. Do you think you can fix this?

Is now working:


"


PM me for code as I don't know how to post it