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The miniatures are making the transition from a render to the real thing really, really well. I was worried that the renders might have too shallow details so that when they are printed, painting them will be hard, but I think I was wrong about that. They look great.

The detail is seemingly there, the question is ho well will it translate into a painted mini. The last Mercs release did not translate that well.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
The detail is seemingly there, the question is ho well will it translate into a painted mini. The last Mercs release did not translate that well.

Intrigued, do you have a link?

Ok I'd like to ask Prodos what to retail prices will be for the troop boxes come the June release, since all of the prices listed on the Kickstarter page are listed as special Kickstarter price?

So the 12 pound boxes will cost how much upon retail release?

This may help generate more pledges if we know how much of a discount we are getting with the Kickstarter pricing.

If nothing else, I seem to recall troop boxes being up for £19 originally, and then they revamped the page and they were all £12. My guess is £19 was the standard price.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
My guess is £19 was the standard price.

I seriously doubt it, that would make such a box at least $32 for 5 minis. The were talking about $20-$24 per box, so 12GBP sounds like that's the actual MSRP...

 Ronin_eX wrote:
If nothing else, I seem to recall troop boxes being up for £19 originally, and then they revamped the page and they were all £12. My guess is £19 was the standard price.

Well if that is the case, then they should be telling everyone that. It would quell some of the griping about discounts, since 7 pounds per box is a significant discount in the over all cost of an army.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
If nothing else, I seem to recall troop boxes being up for £19 originally, and then they revamped the page and they were all £12. My guess is £19 was the standard price.

I don't recall such a thing and I have been following their KS page since day 1. Plus, even before the KS campaign started, they had said that the troop box price will be 21$ +/-3. And this is about 12 GBP.

I don't remember them being more than 12 pounds on the KS page either.

**Strange duplicate post....*****

Hmm, may just be misremembering then (maybe it was £15). But those add-ons were always up and for a while it had a small picture showing the prices for a character box and a unit box, and I swear the unit box was higher than £12. Either way, add-on boxes don't seem to add shipping (not sure if there is a minimum buy-in on those though, I would assume yes). Either way, they said they would be posting the FAQ soon, so hopefully the answers will be there.

Let's hope today isn't the start of stagnation under their current model since it's brought in less than 1k in the hours it normally does pretty well.

Some Capitol concept art would prob boost interest, seeing as they are already on the list to get made we pledge enough

BTW, why I never see anything about Warzone on Beasts of War? A bit of news would definitely boost pledges

Remember talking about stagnation, failing KS, or OMG it's slowing down will all hurt the KS in the long term

so think before you post on the KS comments, even saying you need to do X, Y, Z to get this moving again could seem negetive to sombody poping in for the first time

No going to post in the KS sites comments. But I will post my views here. I think this has great potential but there are currently several things working against it. We'll just have to see if it maintains the way it's currently being run.

sevsterino wrote:
BTW, why I never see anything about Warzone on Beasts of War? A bit of news would definitely boost pledges

I saw that they mentioned the Kickstarter on their page a few days ago.http://www.beastsofwar.com/sci-fi-wargaming/enter-warzone-mutant-chronicles-prodos/

Just looked at another kickstarter that I was hoping would do well for nostalgia reasons. Rogue Trooper. Its not doing too well.

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Just looked at another kickstarter that I was hoping would do well for nostalgia reasons. Rogue Trooper. Its not doing too well.

It's at £18k out of a £6k goal and has gone through 4 stretch goals already with 17 days left... How do you define 'not doing well'?

Looks like someone grabbed the last "Three Brothers" pledge level. Only a little over $100 from hitting the newest stretch.

Wow, people are freaking out because it is experiencing a slowdown in the middle of the week? Seriously, we're talking a 60-day Kickstarter. These things ebb and flow based on the day of the week. Now that the initial flurry of the first days have passed we will start seeing the more standard upper and lower weekly bounds. Friday/Saturday will see minor spikes with it tending to coast for the rest of the week. In the last week or so it will pick back up to early day levels (sometimes even larger, but usually not). This thing will be running for two months and it is not doing anything out of the ordinary for most long-haul kickstarters.

People really have been warped by the ~$1mil projects of 2012. Used to be that a Kickstarter making its goal was cause for celebration. Now if it isn't breaking 1000% funding it is considered a failure, or at the very least "not successful" (even if the ones breaking way passed their initial funding level tend to be delivered months late... if not a year for some of them).

In either case, I'm just going to keep eyeing the Kicktraq projections (finally enough data to start proper projectings, they the are still being skewed by early-day totals). I think people need to simmer down and be patient here. This Kickstarter is hardly failing (by everything I can see it is already a success) and certainly isn't stagnating. It is just slowing down to a more normal pace as we settle in for the long haul. It is easy to forget that this thing will be running for 55 more days. It isn't even a week old yet and has already funded and passed its first major stretch goal. For people used to the more condensed 30/40-day Kickstarters this may not seem like much (especially compared to some of the monstrous ones), but for a long-term KS those are just fine. Expect a bit more slowdown, perhaps even a few days with no movement (still remember PFO's Kickstarter having a day they were negative for and they still made over $1mil ) but expect small spikes during the weekend and expect a final push near the end as the last people sitting on the fence decide what they want to do. But above all, be bloody patient. Two months is a long time.

Edit - Heh, and then there is the wildcard factor of people randomly dropping large sums on something at a random point in the week. I wouldn't expect that often, but that certainly is an anomalous spike that will skew the projection data for another few days. Damn, and I was hoping to start getting some accurate reads from Kicktraq by the end of the week. Oh well, £45k here we come.

RoninXiC wrote:
Crowdfunding is not meant to be a discount to YOU. It's meant to enable companies to start developing, producing, publishing, working etc on a product.
It could actually be more expensive to pledge.. that is totally fine with the idea of crowdfunding.

It's also not "meant" to be a preorder mechanism. Which is what it pretty clearly gets used as constantly in this field, so we may as well just not worry about how you, me or Zweischneid "thinks" it should be "properly used" and accept the reality of how it actually works in practice rather than as an idealised concept as defined by you or I.

Personally speaking, if I want to give money to charity I can think of a lot more deserving places than makers of toy soldiers and board games...

 judgedoug wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:
Just looked at another kickstarter that I was hoping would do well for nostalgia reasons. Rogue Trooper. Its not doing too well.

It's at £18k out of a £6k goal and has gone through 4 stretch goals already with 17 days left... How do you define 'not doing well'?

Yeah, 18k. Its not moving very much. Many of these project lowball what they need just to guarantee backing. I figure if you can't get $200,000 out of a kickstarter you are not doing it right. Sure it will get funded....but its not getting much buzz. Buzz really seams to be the motivating factor for kickstartes. If you are trying to start a company and you can't raise 6PBP in capitol....then you have other problems. I think companies really need to use Kickstarters 1. as barometers for customer interest and 2. as Hype machines. Raising capital is nice, but press and exposure is better. Getting your product out and building a buzz huge and should be looked at as a marketing expense.

Well, £40 more to reach the second stretch goal.

Heck if the 5k a day rate of pledging keeps up we will be at the plastic troop boxes in 5 days and Capitol corp unlocked in 7!

I will have to jump into this. The original got me into gaming in the first place, my then store even playtested one of the older expansion books, and I played regularly into its greatest incarnation, Ultimate Warzone, which I still think is the best wargame rules to date hands down. Hopefully this edition will surpass them and actually succeed. Unfortunately I know several stores that will flat out refuse to carry the product due to the name and the failures of the past, and my current store wont do anything to support it if its not a GW product or card game. But oh well, I will try. Looking forward to the Imperials and Capital. Any chance of Doom Troopers? Hopefully they do not portray Cybertronic as evil, I always considered them the good guys made up of people fed up with the big corps and their political hijinks.

 BDJV wrote:
Heck if the 5k a day rate of pledging keeps up we will be at the plastic troop boxes in 5 days and Capitol corp unlocked in 7!

Amen!!!

And the second stretch goal is past us too.

Col. Dash wrote:
I will have to jump into this. The original got me into gaming in the first place, my then store even playtested one of the older expansion books, and I played regularly into its greatest incarnation, Ultimate Warzone, which I still think is the best wargame rules to date hands down. Hopefully this edition will surpass them and actually succeed.

I don't know if I would ever go so far as calling UWZ the best to date as the army building in there was horrible. It broke from the established cannon and created units for the sake of creating them. The Rules were solid though, I'll give you that.

 praetor24 wrote:
Yet another update



and the link http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection/posts/409421?ref=email&show_token=59abf232377ee611

This pic actually makes me want to dig out/try to find my old unpainted WZ zombies that I bought when the stuff went on clearance and paint them up

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Yeah, 18k. Its not moving very much. Many of these project lowball what they need just to guarantee backing. I figure if you can't get $200,000 out of a kickstarter you are not doing it right.

With what data are you making such an assertion? The genre is still far too young to form any kind of overarching analysis. As it stands, the Kickstarter needs of a company like Ramshackle Games (to pick an example from the lower end of the spectrum of goals) and those of, say, Mantic, are wildly different. It's different things for different projects.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 Andrew1975 wrote:

Yeah, 18k. Its not moving very much. Many of these project lowball what they need just to guarantee backing. I figure if you can't get $200,000 out of a kickstarter you are not doing it right.

With what data are you making such an assertion? The genre is still far too young to form any kind of overarching analysis. As it stands, the Kickstarter needs of a company like Ramshackle Games (to pick an example from the lower end of the spectrum of goals) and those of, say, Mantic, are wildly different. It's different things for different projects.

I'm basing it off of past kickstartes by new companies see Battle of Alabaster, rivet wars and Dreamforge. Also from personal experience running companies. Raising $200k through normal financing options should not be too hard, the press and exposure that kickstarters present is worth far more than the money raised. Hell a good kickstarter is a way of showing consumer confidence, you can use that to bring in real investors.

After seeing Dreamforges success I would happily invest in Marks shop. The product is amazing.