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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


in box of 5 models you will find: 15 heads, 5 backpacks, 10! guns!, and 5 bodies, 5 leg pieces, 5 arms.

Excuse me, but is it only me finding these guns ridiculously thick? I mean it is obvious that they do not even fit in the palms of the models. The first trooper looks like struggling to find a grip to handle and lift the gun.

Guys, I think that you should seriously consider of changing this.

I agree, those are very awkward poses. From a military standpoint none of those are feasable. If they are firing them, then the butt stocks need to be on the shoulder so the guy can aim and brace for recoil. The top one has the guy trying to pick up the rifle or conversely holding it and asking "what am I supped to do with this?", the second guy is trying to see if he can snap his right wrist when he fires. The third pose isnt bad for a guy running with a rifle, but definately not firing to try and hit something.

Col. Dash wrote:
I agree, those are very awkward poses. From a military standpoint none of those are feasable. If they are firing them, then the butt stocks need to be on the shoulder so the guy can aim and brace for recoil. The top one has the guy trying to pick up the rifle or conversely holding it and asking "what am I supped to do with this?", the second guy is trying to see if he can snap his right wrist when he fires. The third pose isnt bad for a guy running with a rifle, but definately not firing to try and hit something.

Well, having served at the army, I can confirm that all that you say is true. Notwithstanding the fact that the first two ones fire with a HMG-equivalent gun. This kind of poses would have made sense for the Dark Legion Zombie soldiers, but for human highly trained soldiers they would be both unthinkable and dangerous.

 praetor24 wrote:
Excuse me, but is it only me finding these guns ridiculously thick?

No, you're not. The LMG is about 100% too wide, the 'Knacker about 80% if not more.

I was going to get 2 Bauhaus starter sets with my Razide level pledge, but with those forced action poses... probably won't happen. The first one is probably the biggest offender. I mean, Chasseures turned out well, what's going on here?

and.... don't forget you can assembly these models in more than 720 different combinations.... including moving arms up and down, shifting as you want.

 praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Spoiler:

in box of 5 models you will find: 15 heads, 5 backpacks, 10! guns!, and 5 bodies, 5 leg pieces, 5 arms.

Excuse me, but is it only me finding these guns ridiculously thick? I mean it is obvious that they do not even fit in the palms of the models. The first trooper looks like struggling to find a grip to handle and lift the gun.

Guys, I think that you should seriously consider of changing this.

That was my 1st thought too. I looks like someone trying to run around with a vacuum cleaner for a weapon.

Don't get me wrong thow, the guns do look good design and detail wise. They just aren't in proportion in anyway to the rest of the mini.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
and.... don't forget you can assembly these models in more than 720 different combinations.... including moving arms up and down, shifting as you want.

The problem isn't so much the poses, it's how they are holding their guns. Just watch a few vids of people fireing a M4 or a AK to understand what they are talking about.






They just aren't holding or fireing their weapons in any sort of a convincing way.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 praetor24 wrote:
Excuse me, but is it only me finding these guns ridiculously thick?

No, you're not. The LMG is about 100% too wide, the 'Knacker about 80% if not more.

I was going to get 2 Bauhaus starter sets with my Razide level pledge, but with those forced action poses... probably won't happen. The first one is probably the biggest offender. I mean, Chasseures turned out well, what's going on here?

I am in Dark Legion level, because I wanted to get a Bauhaus starter as well. It looks like I will downgrade to Razide, because I am not interested in getting sci-fi soldiers who run around trying to scare their enemies with hand-held hoovers (well, these guns are too big even for that).

As long as its possible to change the poses so the guns can be in the arm pit i will buy a squad. The third pose in really nice but the other two looks like thay are having a hard time picking upp the guns.

I agree that the guns are a bit... thick, and the stocks should be againts the shoulders. I also think that the arm/torso and leg combination for model #2 is not the best choice (It looks like the torso is in a running pose, but the legs are in a firing stance), but that's not really a serious issue since there's options.

Despite the silly guns and the awkward stocks, I still think Bauhaus is my favorite, though.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
and.... don't forget you can assembly these models in more than 720 different combinations.... including moving arms up and down, shifting as you want.

The proportions of the guns are off! This cannot be fixed with clever posing!

to me their is nothing wrong with the leg poses, and as for torso, if they are seperate you can to decide that for your self anyway.

But the poses are the arms need to be fixed. The stock should be braced agiest the shoulder or at-least tucked under the arm-pit. That is why most people seem to agree that the 3rd one isn't to bad. But I suspect that is because in the 3rd one their is no stock to complain about.
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 praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
and.... don't forget you can assembly these models in more than 720 different combinations.... including moving arms up and down, shifting as you want.

The proportions of the guns are off! This cannot be fixed with clever posing!

don't worry, model's proportion are fixed on 3D printer software (scaling)

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 praetor24 wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
and.... don't forget you can assembly these models in more than 720 different combinations.... including moving arms up and down, shifting as you want.

The proportions of the guns are off! This cannot be fixed with clever posing!

don't worry, model's proportion are fixed on 3D printer software (scaling)

The heads and torsos are looking great, and the leg poses are looking alot better. None of the bizarre impossible ankle bending like we saw on some of the earlier renders. The Backpacks still look killer awesome, and their is some really nice detail over all. It's a clean look, with out looking featureless.

If you can fix the way they are actually holding their guns and scale the guns down to something more reasonable, I do think you will have nailed down a really awesome mini with these Bauhaus troops. I can't speak for everyone one here, but despite some of the negative critism these are looking great over all. It's just thows minor gripes that hold them back.

Just don't get discouraged!
=)

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


in box of 5 models you will find: 15 heads, 5 backpacks, 10! guns!, and 5 bodies, 5 leg pieces, 5 arms.

The good: They design looks much better to me than the concepts. The poses are more dynamic than all the standing around guys.

The bad: Gun proportions are not good, they make a bolter look small. I know the one is an LMG but they are just too thick, Bauhaus guns should be pretty elegant. If you can't do stocks.....then don't do them. The attempt at making interesting poses is appreciated, but needs better execution. If you are going to include kneeling legs (which I like) you have to throw an extra set of regular legs in, as they do get repetitive and some people don't like them.

One of the nice aspects of resin is it does allow to repose with hot water so we can alter it a little.

I think the reason their stocks are in funny poses is because they may be separate?

Its pretty much impossible to have separate guns with stocks on and look natural though

GW knows this, thats why bolters have no stocks while IG arms have their lasguns already stuck in their arms

The weapons are badly out of scale, the hand poses are really wrong, the shoulderpads are resting into thin air unsupported by somethign physical and the helmet is bad considering all the other concept art you had first shown.

The body is good because you retained the original concept art and the rolled down sleeves is a major improvement.

I am sorry to see such a great concept art be devolved into this.

the shoulderpads are resting into thin air unsupported by somethign physical

Didn't notice this before, can't unsee it now. The shoulder pads ought to be lowered a bit.


I happen to really like the helmets.

 RatBot wrote:

the shoulderpads are resting into thin air unsupported by somethign physical

Didn't notice this before, can't unsee it now. The shoulder pads ought to be lowered a bit.


I happen to really like the helmets.

I'm assuming the shoulder pads might be a separate piece, since it's been stated the arms are seperate. Thus way in the renders they sit so high. But once they are a pyscial modle and glued on they will sit more naturally.

If it was it would be in the renders, no they sit in the same position the old Bauhaus shoulderpads of 1-ultimate were positioned sitting on thin air protecting against nothing.

 praetor24 wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 praetor24 wrote:
Excuse me, but is it only me finding these guns ridiculously thick?

No, you're not. The LMG is about 100% too wide, the 'Knacker about 80% if not more.

I was going to get 2 Bauhaus starter sets with my Razide level pledge, but with those forced action poses... probably won't happen. The first one is probably the biggest offender. I mean, Chasseures turned out well, what's going on here?

I am in Dark Legion level, because I wanted to get a Bauhaus starter as well. It looks like I will downgrade to Razide, because I am not interested in getting sci-fi soldiers who run around trying to scare their enemies with hand-held hoovers (well, these guns are too big even for that).

Ok I must admit I laughed to the point of stomach ache after the hoover part

I must agree that the guns are too big and the poses are at least awkward! Scale the guns and let us see some real firing positions .

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
If it was it would be in the renders, no they sit in the same position the old Bauhaus shoulderpads of 1-ultimate were positioned sitting on thin air protecting against nothing.

But if they are a seperate pieace, their is nothing to stop you from glueing them on so they sit lower and more natural. It also means that people can choose to glue them on sitting it the "classic" position if that's their fancy.

I say this because it was started the arms, torso, and legs will be separate pieces, and I don't see how these shoulder pads as they stand are going to be moulded to either the arms or torso right now. especial if they are able to go plastic like they hope to. It looks like they will have to be a separate piece either way.

I could be off the mark of course, but just because the rends "don't show" the shoulder pads as a separate part, doesn't mean they aren't. The renders don't show the arms and legs as separate parts after all. But as they said in the post just abit above yours that they plan to include enough parts to allow up to "720 different combinations".

LMG is going to more like this size.

Looks like a better gun size but the pose is still bad. Please look at pictures of modern soldiers for poses. Stop trying to do over the top "dynamic" poses. It's just not working.

~Eric

 Taarnak wrote:
Looks like a better gun size but the pose is still bad. Please look at pictures of modern soldiers for poses. Stop trying to do over the top "dynamic" poses. It's just not working.

~Eric

Eric, I said gun, not the pose.

It was quite good at this stage, not the pose the feel, why did you feel you had to change it?

Ok you would have me complaining about the helmet, but, with 15 heads in it it would be hard not to have good gasmasks in.

Looking good, as long as it doesn't turn out to be super thick as soon as you turn it slightly to the left or right.

XD

As for the pose, are you telling me soldiers don't do yoga stretches in the middle of combat?
=O
lol

It could be tweaked. The legs could be standing abit more naturally together. but it's not TERRIBLE. I've seen worse.

edit: Noticed the shoulder pads aren't floating any more? I think they looked good either way, so yah. XD *Shrugs*

That is an old render. rodos brought it up now just to show the gun size.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:


LMG is going to more like this size.

Nice! I like it a lot

brynolf wrote:
That is an old render. rodos brought it up now just to show the gun size.

aaahhhhhhh. That makes sense.
=)

I like everything about the model except the yoga stance. Have a look at SWAT or infantry moving and shooting. Otherwise all the proportions look pretty good. He for trained trooper would be getting screamed/made fun of by a drill sergeant for that pose. You never will shoot straight across the body like that, as the model shows, you cant use the stock and shoulder for stability. He will not hit anything he is shooting at like that. The legs of course are a yoga pose and having pulled a rifle out to try the pose out to make sure I wasnt off base, so unstable it isnt funny. Troops hunch when they move in combat but unless they are jihadis trained troops keep their weapons snug on their shoulders when actively in combat so they can snap it up and get a quick accurate shot off(in theory).