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Agreed. Hopefully this whole furlough threat goes away and I can jump in heavier when Cap does appear.

A modren update for the "duck helmet" could be interesting. Since yah know. Everyone loves bekies.

Eh, the beakie helmet is awesome because it looks like a bacinet helm. Though I suppose if we are going for salvaged masks on the new banshees, maybe one of them found a Howard the Duck head in a cache of equipment? :p

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Eh, the beakie helmet is awesome because it looks like a bacinet helm. Though I suppose if we are going for salvaged masks on the new banshees, maybe one of them found a Howard the Duck head in a cache of equipment? :p

But. I love bekies.
D=

I'm glad to see this game making a comeback. When MC was first released in the roleplaying format I played it extensively. I am disappointed that Capitol isn't available yet (and may not be)...they are by far my favorite faction. I still may contribute and just hope that you get to that 85K goal. Nice work so far, good luck.

The interesting answer I got by Prodos to a question of my mine on the KS comments section:

"You will see blessed vestal Laura and the machinators within the next week, and hopefully the new heavy vehicle.
Painted minis also in the same timeline!"

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Blessed Vestal Laura

 praetor24 wrote:
The interesting answer I got by Prodos to a question of my mine on the KS comments section:

"You will see blessed vestal Laura and the machinators within the next week, and hopefully the new heavy vehicle.
Painted minis also in the same timeline!"

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Blessed Vestal Laura

I like that machinators!!!! Yes! Finally )

Oh yes, Laura is perfect!!!


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Warzone Resurrection Undead Legionnaire


I am really excited about the project, and being the old fan that I am I already pledged at Razide level!
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/513277403/mutant-chronicles-warzone-resurrection

Prodos Games was kind enough to send me 5 Undead Legionnaires. Here is what you get:


Crisp cast, high level resin parts. Enough to build 5 Legionnaires in many different poses. The material seems to be sturdy and is very light. Once assembled they look like this:


I needed just a little bit of greenstuff to smooth the shoulder parts. All the rest was more or less a perfect fit.
And the very 1st Warzone Resurrection Dark Legion mini painted. I used the 30 mm round lipped base Prodos asked me to use, IMO the base is a bit too big for the mini. While painting the mini I realised how detailed and realistic (OK, as much as a far future undead soldier can be) proportioned the mini is. The head and hands are really small when compared to other minis. The comparison shot below makes it evident.

From left to right: 1st Ed Warzone Mishima Samurai, current Undead Legionnaire prototype, Space Marine and Infinity trooper.

All in all I am very exited about the new range, I am very happy that I already pledged on this project. The bases are not really my thing and the mini is a bit on the small 28 mm side, maybe a slight upscaling before going into final production is recommended. Warzone as good as it gets!
http://www.adpublishing.de/html/warzone.html

I for one quite like the under exaggerated proportions

Although I must say for those who hope for hard plastic, I kind of doubt it. This set up for resin seems to translate best to those Restic materials many companies have been using now

 kenshin620 wrote:
I for one quite like the under exaggerated proportions

Me too! Especially if you use the minis only together with other WZ Resurrection minis all will be fine!

@ Agis. Nice job. One thing I was wondering was if you think a lot of detail was lost between the render to the model you painted. I know some digital sculpters have to make the render have deeper cuts are you can barely see the detail when it come out in the end. So what is your experience here now that you have painted it. Was it easy to paint or did you have to pain most of the detail on yourself?

 AAN wrote:

 kenshin620 wrote:
I for one quite like the under exaggerated proportions

Me too! Especially if you use the minis only together with other WZ Resurrection minis all will be fine!

Yeah, well this is a problem IMO. I have a large collection of minis from different manufacturers and the plan was to use the WZR models together with those for Stargrunt and other generic games. If the scale is as "unique" as that picture suggests, WZR will have a hard time fitting in with other miniatures.

And Prodos should also think about all the dough they could earn from 40K players looking for cool proxies. A new company is making it unnecessarily hard for themselves by not staying compatible with Gee-dub.

Sorry, i am all in favor of getting rid of hero scale and doing true scale. FW has a successful mini's line in true scale for their IG and no reason Prodos cant have the same and be successful. I like the scale compared to the other mini's in that pic. That marine is really showing his age.

@ Agis - thats a great paint job. I'll checked out all your old painted warzone minis and they are amazing! I do agree that they need to be upscaled slightly.

Col. Dash wrote:
Sorry, i am all in favor of getting rid of hero scale and doing true scale. FW has a successful mini's line in true scale for their IG and no reason Prodos cant have the same and be successful. I like the scale compared to the other mini's in that pic. That marine is really showing his age.

Honestly True Scale 28mm makes normal marines look nice and beefy

Yes the legionary is a little bit in the small side, yes scaling the figures some would make wonders but I don't see why a game that already had a rich background, even better than 40K should use GW's heroic scale. But people that want and will use WZ miniatures as proxies for other games won't care about scale and those who do are the same that would not play against these miniatures anyways.

My only concern about the new figs scale is that I'm going to have to buy a new pair of glasses for detail work.

M.

brynolf wrote:
And Prodos should also think about all the dough they could earn from 40K players looking for cool proxies. A new company is making it unnecessarily hard for themselves by not staying compatible with Gee-dub.

And good for them. The only reason I'm at all interested in this is because the models won't work in 40k, on account of being much better sculpts and having more realistic proportions. If I want ugly models and terrible rules for unreasonable prices I'll just stick with GW.

That said...

 praetor24 wrote:

Blessed Vestal Laura

*snip*

Looks like that whole "we want women with more realistic proportions and dress" thing sure as hell went out the window. So now we have boob armor, her thighs and abdomen are completely unprotected, and of course she has a big bare ass with huge buttcrack sticking out because it wouldn't be your usual female model without that. I can't find the art now but I swear the artwork didn't look this ridiculous, she had to have had more armor than that.

Well, not a bare ass as I think she's wearing some kind of catsuit, but the observation is still valid.

This was the only artwork I found of her.


Bassicly the issue is that the "under armour cat suit" is to skin tight in thow renders. like. That is ONE HELL of a wedgie she must have if it's riding up on her that bad.

Yeah, I assumed it was a suit, but it's fitting so tight it might as well not be there (most likely done on purpose, too many wrinkles/folds and people can't paint her as if she were nude). Doesn't help that she's rendered in more of a flesh tone, though.

There was a larger version of the art when they originally announced the stretch goal, but it's been replaced with that. I also tried a Google search and couldn't really find anything except the same image from the Kickstarter or pictures of the old model, which are pretty damn horrid. But yeah, she seems to be armored up to her thighs and has a plate covering her belly, whereas in the render it seems they've opted to accentuate her curves a little more by removing that stuff. It might also be just because it's a 2D image, but the "boob plate" doesn't offend me so much in the art. Strange they'd change the hair, though, and give her a ponytail instead of the much more obviously feminine long hair, since it seemed the whole point with this model was saying "It's a chick, stupid."

Wow those undead legionnaires look fantastic when painted.

As for Laura's boob armour and lack of clothes she actually looks more covered up than one version of the original model. Assuming that she is wearing some sort of catsuit (the creases on her legs would imply that she is) then there should be no skin being shown off at all unlike the old model. Ok the model is unrealistic compared with Angelica Drachen however I'm ok with that. It makes sense to me that a Bauhaus character would only wear a very practical uniform but a Brotherhood character would wear something rather ridiculous. The Brotherhood are a religious faction, the armour can almost certainly be said to have a ceremonial purpose in addition to it's more practical functions.

Here's the old model or at least one of them I think there was a version with a hood too:



IMO looking at that picture the new model is a great moderisation of the old design.

 Nick Ellingworth wrote:
Wow those undead legionnaires look fantastic when painted.

As for Laura's boob armour and lack of clothes she actually looks more covered up than one version of the original model. Assuming that she is wearing some sort of catsuit (the creases on her legs would imply that she is) then there should be no skin being shown off at all unlike the old model. Ok the model is unrealistic compared with Angelica Drachen however I'm ok with that. It makes sense to me that a Bauhaus character would only wear a very practical uniform but a Brotherhood character would wear something rather ridiculous. The Brotherhood are a religious faction, the armour can almost certainly be said to have a ceremonial purpose in addition to it's more practical functions.

Here's the old model or at least one of them I think there was a version with a hood too:

Spoiler:

IMO looking at that picture the new model is a great moderisation of the old design.

What about this verstion that is apparently showing no skin at all?




In all honesty if they just made the under suit not a skin-tight cat-suit it would be fine.

 Nick Ellingworth wrote:
Here's the old model or at least one of them I think there was a version with a hood too:



IMO looking at that picture the new model is a great moderisation of the old design.

Oh god, get it away! Back!

I'll agree it's a much better effort than the original model, but I'm still not a big fan. Maybe it'll grow on me, I dunno, but I just think the form-fitting catsuit and having her cape being conveniently blown away to reveal her giant crack are a little too much. I'm not really much of an expert on this kinda thing, but surely there's something you could wear to cover that part of your body up, I'd imagine? I recall seeing more than one suit of armor that had something back there, anyway.

I must say though, I love that helmet design in the model Lockark posted. Obviously it's a little too large since the old model is not very well-proportioned, but I would love to see a helmet option like that for the new Laura, personally.

I can't imagine it would be a problem for Prodos to add an extra head. They're already doing it for other figures.

 Nick Ellingworth wrote:
I can't imagine it would be a problem for Prodos to add an extra head. They're already doing it for other figures.

Laura does come with a helmeted head version


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Agis, thanks for posting. Great paint job!

When one looks at the size comparison and takes into account a space marine is ten foot tall and an undead is shrunken husk, I personally think that the only mini out of scale is the old Mishima on the left

The models being truescale makes me like them even more! The scale on the legionaries is perfect.

And the marine has always been in a good scale, its just everything else in the range that is to big.

Prodos wrote:

 Nick Ellingworth wrote:
I can't imagine it would be a problem for Prodos to add an extra head. They're already doing it for other figures.

Laura does come with a helmeted head version

This is what I really like about WZR so far, options. You guys seem really keen to give us plenty of optional pieces for the models, please keep it up.

I have to point out that the artwork is the artwork of generic Valkiries (the one shown named Maria) Blessed Vestal Laura never had artwork and her painted miniature had black hair shown from her helmet, this was the first model and the really ugly one shown second, the stripper like model was a redesign
they did with second edition.

As far as the new attempt, while I am not a fan, it is truer to the original valkirie armour concept, which in the only illustration that ever existed for it (the above shown) it avoids mentioning what lies under the armour by throwing a under the armour tabart that covers the waist/ hips area, but only from the front.

It is left to the designer to fill this really big gap, Prodos decided a catsuit, valid option, she could not wear something high tech after all, this is warzone and such things are highly problematic.


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brynolf wrote:

 AAN wrote:

And Prodos should also think about all the dough they could earn from 40K players looking for cool proxies. A new company is making it unnecessarily hard for themselves by not staying compatible with Gee-dub.

Prodos should think of doing their own stuff and not hope they will get money by been compatible with GW and frankly that's what everybody should do, GW has held hostage the entire models market long enough with their "heroic scale".

madzerker wrote:
@ Agis. Nice job. One thing I was wondering was if you think a lot of detail was lost between the render to the model you painted. I know some digital sculpters have to make the render have deeper cuts are you can barely see the detail when it come out in the end. So what is your experience here now that you have painted it. Was it easy to paint or did you have to pain most of the detail on yourself?

If anything the model had more details before painting.
I honestly wold have preferred less Details, but I am strange in this part. I like to improve minis with my painting, but with minis like WZR it is a difficult Task...

Laura isn't my bag, but she is an improvement over the stripperiffic version of 2nd. I already get Angelika so I am perfectly happy as it is (and it isn't like Dr. Diana will be flashing a lot of skin either). I think it is a nice marriage of the original art and the 2nd Edition model. Has some armour to it and the catsuit at least avoids the problem I always had with Reverend Moiras. Not the kind of thing I go in for, but I don't have to like every model (especially for factions I don't play!). In terms of general design I think it is a great modernization of the gamut of her old versions.