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Those are discount value packs! You're avoiding paying £8 or more post-Kickstarter! And resin is so passe.
   
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For some clarity, the plastic sprues unlocked at £70k, will include extras as appropriate, including a heavy gun, special gun, shoulder pads etc.

These 'Value Pack Add-ons' are extras/variant that one may choose to buy to add extra 'flavour' to their force. They are £6 per pack and will include gun variants, head variants etc. They are not needed for the game, but are a customisable option. The value packs will not be available after Kickstarter, but some of the items may be sold separately in the future.

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 praetor24 wrote:
£6 each packet? Are we kidding? This is more expensive than Forgeworld's kits. These kits should be free, especially now that they reached the plastics' goal.

And what about the added value that we would have gotten when we reached the plastics' goal? I mean we go from a superior material (resin) to an inferior (plastic) what for?


They already clarified that these extra are extra. The plastic kits will come with their own set of extras (possibly even overlapping with the packs in some parts). And without knowing the exact number of bits in a pack, screaming "more expensive than Forgeworld" is a might bit premature. FW sells packs of 10 shoulder pads for £9 and dread weapons for close to the same. Some packs contain the equivalent of several heads (note that leader heads are pluralized), a vehicle-mounted weapon and some heavy and special weapons. Until we know how many pieces are in the pack they may well be a much better deal than something similar from FW.

skarsol wrote:
Those are discount value packs! You're avoiding paying £8 or more post-Kickstarter! And resin is so passe.


Actually, the packs are Kickstarter exclusive. They will likely be out at a later time, but my guess they will be packaged as different units rather than a la carte. So, for example, the current Razide may be a Nasca Razide and they will put out one armed with a Nazgaroth later, or they may do individual special and heavy weapon troopers in resin. This is them getting together a bunch of extra bits and throwing them in a pack for KS only for the conversion freaks, the boxed sets will come with their own extras and bits either way, but a lot of fans were clamouring for bits and extras. Either way $8 isn't too terrible for some of them though the Bauhaus pack seems a bit light, though it will depend on how many heads they come with.
   
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 Ronin_eX wrote:
 praetor24 wrote:
£6 each packet? Are we kidding? This is more expensive than Forgeworld's kits. These kits should be free, especially now that they reached the plastics' goal.

And what about the added value that we would have gotten when we reached the plastics' goal? I mean we go from a superior material (resin) to an inferior (plastic) what for?


They already clarified that these extra are extra. The plastic kits will come with their own set of extras (possibly even overlapping with the packs in some parts). And without knowing the exact number of bits in a pack, screaming "more expensive than Forgeworld" is a might bit premature. FW sells packs of 10 shoulder pads for £9 and dread weapons for close to the same. Some packs contain the equivalent of several heads (note that leader heads are pluralized), a vehicle-mounted weapon and some heavy and special weapons. Until we know how many pieces are in the pack they may well be a much better deal than something similar from FW.

skarsol wrote:
Those are discount value packs! You're avoiding paying £8 or more post-Kickstarter! And resin is so passe.


Actually, the packs are Kickstarter exclusive. They will likely be out at a later time, but my guess they will be packaged as different units rather than a la carte. So, for example, the current Razide may be a Nasca Razide and they will put out one armed with a Nazgaroth later, or they may do individual special and heavy weapon troopers in resin. This is them getting together a bunch of extra bits and throwing them in a pack for KS only for the conversion freaks, the boxed sets will come with their own extras and bits either way, but a lot of fans were clamouring for bits and extras. Either way $8 isn't too terrible for some of them though the Bauhaus pack seems a bit light, though it will depend on how many heads they come with.


If you read the description a bit closer, you will see that there are also numbers there. Plus, the fact that FW is worse, does not mean that this is a good deal. I insist that these packs should be for free. I am not interested into freebies, but at some point Prodos has also to give something extra for its supporters, especially now that they will be saving lots of money with the switch to plastic. And I am sorry, what extra extra means? That's plain stupid. You either give extra for free or you try to squeeze some more from the cash cow.


 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Errrrm, yeah, when I saw that I was thinking "oh cool, more bitz", it took me a moment to realise they expect you to pay half the cost of the troop box for it.

No chance.

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Prodos wrote:
For some clarity, the plastic sprues unlocked at £70k, will include extras as appropriate, including a heavy gun, special gun, shoulder pads etc.

These 'Value Pack Add-ons' are extras/variant that one may choose to buy to add extra 'flavour' to their force. They are £6 per pack and will include gun variants, head variants etc. They are not needed for the game, but are a customisable option. The value packs will not be available after Kickstarter, but some of the items may be sold separately in the future.



I will admit that at 1st the 75K stretch goal confused me. I thought it was to unlock extra options for the mini's that you were going to charge us for. Like we needed to buy these packs to get our heavy weapons and stuff. I was kinda confused why this kinda of stuff wasn't going to be on the plastic sprues.

After reading this comment on your kick starter, I now understand what your doing. We are going to be getting all thows options in the kits, just that these are alt verstions of the weapons and stuff for the modellers out their to give their force some flavour. Just alt looks for the options that are already in the box set. The update didn't make that wholly clear, but it is a cool idea once you understand how it works.

But my issue is that I'm not willing to drop that much on bitz packs when I don't even know if I will like them over the default bits the models are coming with! In some of these cases we haven't even seen what some of these default options will look like, let alone the alt versions!
=P

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 Yodhrin wrote:
Errrrm, yeah, when I saw that I was thinking "oh cool, more bitz", it took me a moment to realise they expect you to pay half the cost of the troop box for it.

No chance.


Try saying that in the comments page of their KS. The "fans" will tear you apart

 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 praetor24 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
Errrrm, yeah, when I saw that I was thinking "oh cool, more bitz", it took me a moment to realise they expect you to pay half the cost of the troop box for it.

No chance.


Try saying that in the comments page of their KS. The "fans" will tear you apart


Yeah, it didn't take me long to realise that KS comments are more like YouTube comments than anything else, heh.

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I'm not very impressed by this add-on packs either, I will wait until we see pictures or the like but £ 6 does sound a bit steep for what we seem to get, especially considering this is a kickstarter. But we'll see, It's hard to judge the value without seeing what this "extra" really means and what's included in the box already.

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 Lockark wrote:
Prodos wrote:
For some clarity, the plastic sprues unlocked at £70k, will include extras as appropriate, including a heavy gun, special gun, shoulder pads etc.

These 'Value Pack Add-ons' are extras/variant that one may choose to buy to add extra 'flavour' to their force. They are £6 per pack and will include gun variants, head variants etc. They are not needed for the game, but are a customisable option. The value packs will not be available after Kickstarter, but some of the items may be sold separately in the future.



I will admit that at 1st the 75K stretch goal confused me. I thought it was to unlock extra options for the mini's that you were going to charge us for. Like we needed to buy these packs to get our heavy weapons and stuff. I was kinda confused why this kinda of stuff wasn't going to be on the plastic sprues.

After reading this comment on your kick starter, I now understand what your doing. We are going to be getting all thows options in the kits, just that these are alt verstions of the weapons and stuff for the modellers out their to give their force some flavour. The update didn't make that wholly clear, but it is a cool idea once you understand how it works.


That's where I'm at. Prodos are already adding on a score of free bits for the plastics. But some people want other options for the kits that are still resin (especially the big guys) that wouldn't be getting any upgrades or freebie bits because they cost the same to make as they did when we started. So we get some alternatives for the resin stuff, some head swaps and a few bits to help modellers out. Guys who like magnetizing gear will be well served by this.

I am still failing to see how $8 for a grab bag of conversion bits is too high. It's not like you require one pack to upgrade a single unit. By the sounds of it, you can modify a heavy, swap out some weaponry on your squads and likely have enough heads to give your squad leaders in several squads a makeover. Most people will only need one of 'em unless they are loading up on heavies like Vulcans and want them all to have close combat weapons (or want them all magnetized for either option).

Prodos are already adding freebies to the plastic boxes, the are just some spare bits. People have been baying for conversion bits and now Prodos are offering them for more units than just the infantry that are getting extra bits in plastic. The push back on this is more than a bit bewildering and I am again inching toward my opinion that Prodos should just ignore us, because we can't make up our minds.
   
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 praetor24 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
Errrrm, yeah, when I saw that I was thinking "oh cool, more bitz", it took me a moment to realise they expect you to pay half the cost of the troop box for it.

No chance.


Try saying that in the comments page of their KS. The "fans" will tear you apart


it isn't when you say that, but when you say you "Insist they give them to you free" a bit different
   
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 Ronin_eX wrote:
 Lockark wrote:
Prodos wrote:
For some clarity, the plastic sprues unlocked at £70k, will include extras as appropriate, including a heavy gun, special gun, shoulder pads etc.

These 'Value Pack Add-ons' are extras/variant that one may choose to buy to add extra 'flavour' to their force. They are £6 per pack and will include gun variants, head variants etc. They are not needed for the game, but are a customisable option. The value packs will not be available after Kickstarter, but some of the items may be sold separately in the future.



I will admit that at 1st the 75K stretch goal confused me. I thought it was to unlock extra options for the mini's that you were going to charge us for. Like we needed to buy these packs to get our heavy weapons and stuff. I was kinda confused why this kinda of stuff wasn't going to be on the plastic sprues.

After reading this comment on your kick starter, I now understand what your doing. We are going to be getting all thows options in the kits, just that these are alt verstions of the weapons and stuff for the modellers out their to give their force some flavour. The update didn't make that wholly clear, but it is a cool idea once you understand how it works.


That's where I'm at. Prodos are already adding on a score of free bits for the plastics. But some people want other options for the kits that are still resin (especially the big guys) that wouldn't be getting any upgrades or freebie bits because they cost the same to make as they did when we started. So we get some alternatives for the resin stuff, some head swaps and a few bits to help modellers out. Guys who like magnetizing gear will be well served by this.

I am still failing to see how $8 for a grab bag of conversion bits is too high. It's not like you require one pack to upgrade a single unit. By the sounds of it, you can modify a heavy, swap out some weaponry on your squads and likely have enough heads to give your squad leaders in several squads a makeover. Most people will only need one of 'em unless they are loading up on heavies like Vulcans and want them all to have close combat weapons (or want them all magnetized for either option).

Prodos are already adding freebies to the plastic boxes, the are just some spare bits. People have been baying for conversion bits and now Prodos are offering them for more units than just the infantry that are getting extra bits in plastic. The push back on this is more than a bit bewildering and I am again inching toward my opinion that Prodos should just ignore us, because we can't make up our minds.


If you read the list of bits 3/4 are specail weapon and heads for the bassic troops, with a set of bits for one of the resin modles. It was explained that these are alt verstions of the options that will already be in the plastic boxs.

It's kinda hard to ask ANYTHING for replacement bits when not only have we not seen what the replacements will look like, but in some cases we haven't see what bits these are even replaceing in the 1st place! As far as I'm aware we haven't even see what the default special weapon for hussars and undead legionnaires will look like. How do I know I even want to spend $8 on bits to swap them out? XD It's not that this it's a bad idea or even a stretch goal. It's that it came to early. As right now most people don't even have a grasp on what exactly is being added to the bassic troop boxes now that they are plastic.

I didn't even know we were getting extra bits in the bassic troop boxes now that they are plastic untill today! lol


also thinking about it... I'm also kinda confused about the CCW for the bauhaus vulcan. Does this mean the vulcan has rules for a CCW that is not in it's kit, and I will have to buy a separate bits pack just to get that option? Thows are the only bits that seem more like actual options for the model instead of just flavour bits.
=S

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madzerker wrote:
 praetor24 wrote:
 Yodhrin wrote:
Errrrm, yeah, when I saw that I was thinking "oh cool, more bitz", it took me a moment to realise they expect you to pay half the cost of the troop box for it.

No chance.


Try saying that in the comments page of their KS. The "fans" will tear you apart


it isn't when you say that, but when you say you "Insist they give them to you free" a bit different


So, no one can insist on his opinion? Is "insist" a taboo word? Jesus!


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 Lockark wrote:
Thows are the only bits that seem more like actual options for the model instead of just flavour bits.
=S


Exactly that. This is why my "insistence".

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 Ronin_eX wrote:
Prodos are already adding freebies to the plastic boxes, the are just some spare bits. People have been baying for conversion bits and now Prodos are offering them for more units than just the infantry that are getting extra bits in plastic. The push back on this is more than a bit bewildering and I am again inching toward my opinion that Prodos should just ignore us, because we can't make up our minds.

Sure people have been asking for bits but had prodos been more clear about which bits that is included already there would surely be less of a hassle about this add on (not that there have been anything near past outrages). And considering how the vulkan turned out, I'm glad they don't ignore us.

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Please, let me explain myself to the people that say that I ask for freebies, because I am sure that they are lazy enough to not bother checking my previous posts in this thread. I will try to explain my points by using as an example a company we love to hate, GW.

-Let's say GW starts a KS to fund the release of a squad of Marines that it would release in any case.
-We pledge money, despite the fact that it looks pre-order-ish like and we do not whine. Why? Because we love the product.
-This squad comes in a box of 10 miniatures. We know that these miniatures will be in resin and that they have enough bits to assemble 10 figures. We have no clue what these bits are about, but we know that they are just the basic options. Meaning: body parts, bolters and two flamers.
-As we pour more money on this project (because we love it, I repeat), we reach the plastics' goal. Now, plastic's cheaper than resin, but we still pay the same price for the same product (the extra cost of the mould for plastics is already funded by our pledges). Still x quid for 10 Marines.
-GW says, ok. I will throw in some extra bits in your box. And now we get sergeant arms, a missile launcher, a sergeant banner, a sergeant head.
-GW says, ok, next goal is extra bits for extra money.

Now, please, tell me. Would people blame GW for presenting bits that should have been included from the start in the box, as "extra free bits" because the plastics' goal was reached?

Wouldn't people blame GW for trying to milk more money with the release of a kit of extra extra bits for a hardly bargain-level price, bits that appear to be basic option for the troops (like the CCW of the Vulcan for example)?

So, am I a freeloader, if I say that bits that should be in the kits in the first place should not and cannot be presented to as a pay-for-it add-on? It would be unethical even if this was not a KS.

 
   
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Lockark wrote:
If you read the list of bits 3/4 are specail weapon and heads for the bassic troops, with a set of bits for one of the resin modles. It was explained that these are alt verstions of the options that will already be in the plastic boxs.

It's kinda hard to ask ANYTHING for replacement bits when not only have we not seen what the replacements will look like, but in some cases we haven't see what bits these are even replaceing in the 1st place! As far as I'm aware we haven't even see what the default special weapon for hussars and undead legionnaires will look like. How do I know I even want to spend $8 on bits to swap them out? XD It's not that this it's a bad idea or even a stretch goal. It's that it came to early. As right now most people don't even have a grasp on what exactly is being added to the bassic troop boxes now that they are plastic.

I didn't even know we were getting extra bits in the bassic troop boxes now that they are plastic untill today! lol


Don't worry, I'm still thinking the same thing. But based on a bare minimum reading I figure it may end up being a good deal. But as with a lot of stuff in this KS it tends to get developed as it is hit. So not even Prodos are likely 100% locked down on what is what just yet. They will have to actually get artists on the new bits now and we may have a bit of a wait before the contents (on the add-on packs and in the plastic kits) are locked down. At the very least many of the kits will need slight tweaks to take advantage of the new material and moulding methods so they will have a bit of work re-tooling all the kits to work for plastic. I wish they could have been 100% planned up to this point so they could give us a concrete list of contents, but they didn't know they would even get to this level, so it is at least understandable.

I will probably be waiting on the packs myself (I have enough other wants on the list to keep me busy). But once I know what is in the troop kits and what is in these things then I may grab one of each for Bauhaus and Cybertronic. But I'll at least wait until things are a bit more locked down (we still have to wait for £75k to actually hit after all).

also thinking about it... I'm also kinda confused about the CCW for the bauhaus vulcan. Does this mean the vulcan has rules for a CCW that is not in it's kit, and I will have to buy a separate bits pack just to get that option? Thows are the only bits that seem more like actual options for the model instead of just flavour bits.
=S


My guess is that they will probably sell the alternate big-boys as full variant models to keep the cost of individual kits down. So there will be a (whatever gun the current Razide has) Razide and a classic one, there will be a close combat Vulcan, and the flamer-HMG version, etc. This makes sense for resin big-boys. Down the line, if they pull a Privateer Press and make them in to plastic kits, then they can have all options in one box without a price jump. But in resin putting too many options in one box will balloon the price and may put some people off. The only downside to this is SKU bloat if they make too many variants.

c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
 Ronin_eX wrote:
Prodos are already adding freebies to the plastic boxes, the are just some spare bits. People have been baying for conversion bits and now Prodos are offering them for more units than just the infantry that are getting extra bits in plastic. The push back on this is more than a bit bewildering and I am again inching toward my opinion that Prodos should just ignore us, because we can't make up our minds.

Sure people have been asking for bits but had prodos been more clear about which bits that is included already there would surely be less of a hassle about this add on (not that there have been anything near past outrages). And considering how the vulkan turned out, I'm glad they don't ignore us.


I agree, but they have £4k to hammer out the details and we already know they don't start developing for a goal until they hit it. So if the announcement is kind of vague, it is probably because they don't know exactly what the extras are yet. They only just hit plastic and now have to brainstorm extra bits for the kit. But I agree, until we see what the extras are, it will be hard to go in on one of these guys. Luckily, Prodos can use their work on whatever updates they are doing to the plastic kits to speed the add-on packs along if/when we hit £75k.

I mean, they only just finished developing the Hussar meant for resin casting. Now they have to update all of them for plastic and come up with what extra bits will be on there. All the while we are still looking forward to a wealth of new units that have yet to be revealed and they are supposed to have a new heavy vehicle announcement this week. So if they don't have the contents of the add-on 100% hammered out right now, I don't blame them. They do have a lot on their plate. But I agree with you, until I know the exact contents I will probably hold off (not like I don't have enough Vulcans with close combat weapons as it is). But it's not like they are available right this second, just something nice to look forward to and Prodos have a good amount of time to brainstorm for it.
   
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 praetor24 wrote:
Please, let me explain myself to the people that say that I ask for freebies, because I am sure that they are lazy enough to not bother checking my previous posts in this thread. I will try to explain my points by using as an example a company we love to hate, GW.

-Let's say GW starts a KS to fund the release of a squad of Marines that it would release in any case.
-We pledge money, despite the fact that it looks pre-order-ish like and we do not whine. Why? Because we love the product.
-This squad comes in a box of 10 miniatures. We know that these miniatures will be in resin and that they have enough bits to assemble 10 figures. We have no clue what these bits are about, but we know that they are just the basic options. Meaning: body parts, bolters and two flamers.
-As we pour more money on this project (because we love it, I repeat), we reach the plastics' goal. Now, plastic's cheaper than resin, but we still pay the same price for the same product (the extra cost of the mould for plastics is already funded by our pledges). Still x quid for 10 Marines.
-GW says, ok. I will throw in some extra bits in your box. And now we get sergeant arms, a missile launcher, a sergeant banner, a sergeant head.
-GW says, ok, next goal is extra bits for extra money.

Now, please, tell me. Would people blame GW for presenting bits that should have been included from the start in the box, as "extra free bits" because the plastics' goal was reached?

Wouldn't people blame GW for trying to milk more money with the release of a kit of extra extra bits for a hardly bargain-level price, bits that appear to be basic option for the troops (like the CCW of the Vulcan for example)?

So, am I a freeloader, if I say that bits that should be in the kits in the first place should not and cannot be presented to as a pay-for-it add-on? It would be unethical even if this was not a KS.


You have serious issues with this kickstarter m8t, read comments , you'll get your free bits. This stretch goal was not planned as far as I know and as stated there is just an extra bits you can buy if you are hardcore, BUT you don't have to as you will have them anyway in the box. So what is your problem ?
Also a £6 for weapons + heads + other bits for walkers is that a lot? Are you real ? Look at FW or GW for conversion bits or go to Kromlech or maxmini just to compare your theory about Value for Money. Wake up, one weapon for FW GK dred cost me £6.00 ,ONE!
And stop crying like some 10 years old kid, if you don't like it ,take your money and leave and let them run that business.
Prodos should refund your pledge just to stop this BS coming from you. I think guys on KS already explained you politely to close your mouth, as you talk nonsense and this is not the first time! Whatever they post, show, snapshot I can see you and your demands from Prodos, because you don't like this or that... please, grow up.
Btw what is your pledge level if I may ask? Are you the one with £1 shouting just to #%^#$ them over?



 
   
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As posted on the KS the bit packs look a little bit expensive but I'm with c0un7 lets wait until we see the pics before we scream bloody murder. I'm not in a rush to add bit packs to my pledge no matter what the price.

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Wow, tables have turned. Praetor has been resoundingly in favor of this kickstarter. For him to now be accused of asking for "freebies" when he was hammering people earlier is kinda funny.

For what it's worth the kickstarter still doesn't have a value of less than retail at this point. I thank people for paying more for a product so I can get it cheaper in a few months.

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 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, tables have turned. Praetor has been resoundingly in favor of this kickstarter. For him to now be accused of asking for "freebies" when he was hammering people earlier is kinda funny.

For what it's worth the kickstarter still doesn't have a value of less than retail at this point. I thank people for paying more for a product so I can get it cheaper in a few months.


Speak for yourself buddy (as I'm sure you are), but as a Canadian, this is still a steal.

So I get to pay less for it now so you can pay less for it later. I see a win-win situation.
   
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I am very excited for this! I LOVED this game back in the 90's, the mechanics were so fun, quick and intuitive. I hope the game mechanics remain largely the same. The models look great.

Too bad no Capitol in the first release, they were my favorite faction! I am sure they'll get to it though, if the game is popular.

   
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 Reecius wrote:
I am very excited for this! I LOVED this game back in the 90's, the mechanics were so fun, quick and intuitive. I hope the game mechanics remain largely the same. The models look great.

Too bad no Capitol in the first release, they were my favorite faction! I am sure they'll get to it though, if the game is popular.


They are going to do a capitol stater set once they hit the 80K stretch goal. Still still 30 plus days to go, I got a feeling they will be sooner rather then latter.


Their is even a preview of sorts for what will be in the capitol stater box.

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OK, so Blessed Vestal Laura...

I appreciate that Prodos have been faithful to the original Valkyrie art (and it's from this notion I will direct my critique) and I do believe she got great potential but (these are my personal opinions, you don't have to agree):

- Her Valkyrie armor seems to have shrunk, the leg guards used to go all the way up to the hips and the robe (which now looks more like a loin-cloth) hardly revealed any shapes and I'd say the robe probably was supposed to cover the back as well. It seems, but I'm not sure, like she is also missing a big chunk of her chest plate. All in all, Valkyries used to look more protected by their armor that this render of Laura.

- Prodos version of Laura seems to have quite odd proportions. Especially the legs which seems to be quite out of proportion, to me they look to long compared to the rest of the body and the thighs seems to be disproportionet to the chins. This makes her look a little bit as if she's made out nothing but legs .

- The pose looks a bit bland, it could be much more dynamic, she doesent strike me as a seasoned fighter but more like she can't move properly.

- Her proportions together with her pose and armor makes her look a bit odd at the moment. Laura has lost the knightly grace of the Valkyrie art which at least I believe made them look so cool. The old art also made them look more protected by their armor which i believe made more sense. The old Valkyrie art made them look like graceful woman knights in space but at the moment Laura just looks like some random chick with some armorplates. I'd like to to see more of the knight ...

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 Hulksmash wrote:
Wow, tables have turned. Praetor has been resoundingly in favor of this kickstarter. For him to now be accused of asking for "freebies" when he was hammering people earlier is kinda funny.

For what it's worth the kickstarter still doesn't have a value of less than retail at this point. I thank people for paying more for a product so I can get it cheaper in a few months.


Allow me a small correction. I NEVER hammered anyone in this thread. A search through my previous posts can easily prove that As for the rest, I totally agree with you. It's really funny but I am gonna leave it just there.

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@praetor24 - It seems as if I'm not the only one who found god.ra's little outrage to be quite unjustified.

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 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:
@praetor24 - It seems like I'm not the only one who found god.ra's little outrage to be quite unjustified.


Not at all I am not responding, because I simply deny to feed the troll and derail the thread completely.

On a different matter, I agree with your points about Laura Vestal, the reason I had not posted anything is because I am not a Brotherhood player and so I did not feel directly "involved". I think that the guys at Prodos should review their last two renders (Vestal and Machinators), because although they have potential as models, they are not quite there yet. I believe that some small tweaks here and there can bring the models 2 levels up. Lately though, Prodos seems much slower (compared to the beginning of this KS) to responding to the backers' feedback. And between that and receiving a pounding in the forums (their facebook forum is like that as well), if you express healthy concerns or a non-positive opinion for a model, I think that giving feedback is getting more and more difficult.


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I received also some answers by Prodos regarding their plastics.

1) What plastic will the plastic models be made of?
Styrene plastic


2) Which company is going to produce the plastic models?
We (Prodos) will produce them


3) Is it going to be hard styrene (like the models of GW, for example) or something else?
Yes


4) Is there any chance we might see an example of these plastic models before the end of the KS?
Hopefully

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