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I really like the look of the sea lions dude.Possible Catachan proxy MMM.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Spoiler:

Based on your feedbacks here are the EMs.

Bloody brilliant! I love that sword/pistol combo, it looks awesome! Now THAT is a unit that it would love to feild and paint! I might actully up my pledge just to get more of them.



Just get some more verity in sutiably badass heads and your set.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

Even if that Free Marine was gay he would still be a stone cold bad ass. But either way he's probably reaching for that -huge machete the art is picturing. I'm personally pretty fond of the Free Marine concepts, they look very Space 'Nam. It looks like it is going to be an awesomely diverse unit.

Personally I love that biker head with the huge beard and dew rag. So much charater in that head. Give us a bunch of radical different heads and accessory bits and the free marines are going to be a treat to modle and paint! I like the idea of a unit were each individual has alot of personal character.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

Well I'm glad that the original Vulcan designs are coming back for something. A unit of power-armoured troops is just perfect, so I'm down for some of them. And getting decent looking Mirrormen will be a plus so they got added on as well. With all of the freebies that managed to bump me up to exactly £6.65 in credits... Wonder who I should get (part of me is thinking Val, the other is thinking a second Max. Choices, choices).

Well I adore of Vulcan we have now and prefer it over the exo suits, The Exo-suits are still realy cool. I'm happy to see they are going to be a unit in their own right!

Oh yes, the current Vulcans are great Vulcans (my favourite iteration of 'em to date). But I'm glad they found a use for the exo-suit version because I actually quite liked it. Now we get to use both at the same time! Wonder how it is going to be armed.

Brilliant work or the EM, maybe i should get two boxes and use one to mix in with my hussars.

I also think the Etoiles have improved greatly by the redesign.
Maybe check if you mixed up the background for Etoiles and Mourning Wolves.

Those EM are fantastic.

 Kroothawk wrote:
I also think the Etoiles have improved greatly by the redesign.
Maybe check if you mixed up the background for Etoiles and Mourning Wolves.

It may just be new background to justify the EM being all female (since it is never explained, even when it was made explicit in 2nd Edition that they were all female). Mourning wolves are exclusively wives and lovers of Imperial soldiers who have fallen. So while very similar it seems Etoiles are also mothers of the fallen as well. Either way, if Prodos were going with an all-female suicide squad then it makes sense to come up with some justification, and the Mourning Wolves had some pretty good justification going already.

If the unit were still co-ed then it would need no explanation, but they have been implicitly and explicitly all female for a while now, so short of reverting back to Mutant Chronicles 1st Edition fluff (which had men and women in the unit) it would have been a hard sell since everyone tends to think of EM as an all-female special forces unit. But unfortunately none of the editions of Warzone ever actually go in to why they needed to be all-female (2nd Edition says it is an ancient and long-forgotten tradition).

Edit - Oh, Ultimate Warzone was where the fluff about them being composed of barren women came from... Yeah, colour me glad that Prodos didn't go with that one. It is more than a little squicky that the unit exists so that women who cannot be birth machines can go off and die on the battlefield. God, I can't believe I didn't notice that the first time. *shudder*

Yeah, I'm a fan of them being a unit of pissed-off wives and mothers out to take the fight to the Dark Legion/Megacorps that robbed them of a loved one. Sure, it cuts in to the Mourning Wolves background a little, but I can see both Imperial and Bauhaus (being the two extremely honour and duty driven cultures) having similar units. They tend to care about revenge the most, so I think there is room for Etoiles and Mourning Wolves to have similar backgrounds.

As long as they primarily trained to fight the legion by the brotherhood.

Ouch, looks like the Cardinal had to pull out due to financial troubles. At least he left and note and was kind enough to wait until dropping his pledge wouldn't send us under £100k. It's a good thing that it's climbing at the rate it is otherwise I might be more worried.

As much as people are hoping for Sea Lions, I hope Prodos replaces them with the Free Marines since many are already pledged for them.

Sad news either way, especially with all of the movement upward recently.

Love the new renders. So much better...

And sad we lost the 5k pledger. I was starting to believe we'd see Mishima. Now I'm worried we won't hit 130k. :(

Well, pledges have been climbing pretty steadily at this point. Normally today is a pretty slow one and it made enough that the £5k drop is only registering a net loss of a little less than £1k. So unless it hits a snag over the next little bit it should climb back to £105k in another couple of days. It has made it to around five days where it hasn't netted any less than £1000 a day with recent days being £3000 and above (which is an oddity for a Monday).

I think the end surge on this will be pretty good and I am not worried that we wont be passing £105k and leaving it in the dust again.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Well, pledges have been climbing pretty steadily at this point. Normally today is a pretty slow one and it made enough that the £5k drop is only registering a net loss of a little less than £1k. So unless it hits a snag over the next little bit it should climb back to £105k in another couple of days. It has made it to around five days where it hasn't netted any less than £1000 a day with recent days being £3000 and above (which is an oddity for a Monday).

I think the end surge on this will be pretty good and I am not worried that we wont be passing £105k and leaving it in the dust again.

I agree :^)

I do not think it will set us back too much and I am happy that Prodos has created a bunch of mini stretch goals. This Kickstarter will probably see 130k in the end! Keep up the good work Prodos!!!

The interesting question is will we be seeing the limited edition mini or not?

Those EM show tons more promise. Their turnaround was so fast... I barely noticed the first renders.

I wish I'd never been wishy washy on a pledge that way I could cast a stone on the guy dropping cardinal.

That is ridiculous with the amount and pledge level we're talking about though.


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I wish I'd never been wishy washy on a pledge that way I could cast a stone on the guy dropping cardinal.

That is ridiculous with the amount and pledge level we're talking about though.

If you read his post it's perfectly reasonable

He works in real estate and had a big sale fall through, so instead of getting a huge commission he gets nothing

So instead of spending 5K on toy soldiers he needs to keep it to spend on his and his families living expenses.

People in that sort of business are often in a 'feast or famine' situation, unfortunately this time it's famine

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
If you read his post it's perfectly reasonable

He works in real estate and had a big sale fall through, so instead of getting a huge commission he gets nothing

So instead of spending 5K on toy soldiers he needs to keep it to spend on his and his families living expenses.

People in that sort of business are often in a 'feast or famine' situation, unfortunately this time it's famine

You mean "feast or feast with one less course" surely, his family are hardly likely to be scouring the local bins for rats to cook because one sale fell through

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
I also think the Etoiles have improved greatly by the redesign.
Maybe check if you mixed up the background for Etoiles and Mourning Wolves.

It may just be new background to justify the EM being all female (since it is never explained, even when it was made explicit in 2nd Edition that they were all female). Mourning wolves are exclusively wives and lovers of Imperial soldiers who have fallen. So while very similar it seems Etoiles are also mothers of the fallen as well. Either way, if Prodos were going with an all-female suicide squad then it makes sense to come up with some justification, and the Mourning Wolves had some pretty good justification going already.

1.) I am not happy if a Bauhaus unit steals the unique background of an Imperial unit (the faction I am interested in).
2.) "Female soldiers? Must be widows or mothers of fallen, can't think of any other reason for women to fight." This reasoning might work in a tribal setting (like the Imperial wolves), but sounds ridiculous in a modern army. And don't make them female trollslayers: No modern army would invest in years of training an expensive elite cc unit and then send it to a suicidal mission, when an untrained person with a bombing belt would do.

I thought they were women with an affinity for the Art, but enough to be full psykers?

Didn't 2nd Ed add to this by saying that they were barren women, not specifically family of slain soldiers?

 Kroothawk wrote:
"Female soldiers? Must be widows or mothers of fallen, can't think of any other reason for women to fight." This reasoning might work in a tribal setting (like the Imperial wolves), but sounds ridiculous in a modern army.

The idea that any modern army would run an all female front-line combat unit is already stretching suspension of disbelief pretty thin. Does it matter what motivation we're dealing with here?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
"Female soldiers? Must be widows or mothers of fallen, can't think of any other reason for women to fight." This reasoning might work in a tribal setting (like the Imperial wolves), but sounds ridiculous in a modern army.

The idea that any modern army would run an all female front-line combat unit is already stretching suspension of disbelief pretty thin. Does it matter what motivation we're dealing with here?

I second.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
"Female soldiers? Must be widows or mothers of fallen, can't think of any other reason for women to fight." This reasoning might work in a tribal setting (like the Imperial wolves), but sounds ridiculous in a modern army.

The idea that any modern army would run an all female front-line combat unit is already stretching suspension of disbelief pretty thin. Does it matter what motivation we're dealing with here?

I second.

I'll vote to pass this motion, but will add this(begin thread derailment):

The reason chivalry is dead is because it is considered pig-headed to be chivalrous. So the ladies who want men to treat them like a lady, please don't blame men. We are only trying to survive in the modern world and its damned if you do scenario we're put in.(end thread derailment)

That did come out of left field.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
That did come out of left field.

Indeed, I'm not really sure what to think right now. But at the very least I should stop draining my faith in humanity by reading the reactions on the Facebook forum. Apparently DakkaDakka hates women because we didn't want head-sized tits prominently displayed on the models (because the only reason a woman is worth a damn is because of those amiright?). feth me I need a fething drink and a shower after reading some of that gak.

I think this heralds me taking a break from the internet for a bit.



Edit - Keep up the hard work profanity filter, your work is god's work!

Didn't see this posted here:

Prodos Games is very proud to announce, Alessio Cavatore, owner of RiverHorse joins the rules team for Warzone Resurrection. Alessio is a true stalwart and veteran of the tabletop and board game writing world (and a rider of Rohan). We believe his skills and knowledge will be invaluable as we fine tune and put the finishing touches to the rule set over the next few weeks, ready for print and June dispatch. Welcome aboard Alessio!

Very interesting.

Ronin: to put my comment more into context, I also read some of the BS about how you are a woman hater if you like respectable female models.

It was synopsis from several different conversations.....sorry for the confusion folks.

All the arguments ageist the current look is thinly veiled arguments and half backed justifications in favor of sex appeal and cheese cake.

I love the point Gavin Mutter made on Update #58 on the kickstarter. Quoted for truth.

Yeah, it is a fantasy game. But all too often the default seems to be Male Fantasy. The guys are all bad ass brutes that guys want to be and the women are all curvaceous vixens to be conquered and bedded (after getting through their tough-girl exterior and making them feel like a woman!). Remember that a woman's power fantasy doesn't equal a male sexual fantasy.

I for one think it is time that the industry stops catering to one fantasy. Prodos have given us a unit that is a damn good try at a female power fantasy. They're hardly dull either. I mean, unless dull equates to something that means not oozing sex appeal. But what kind of standard is that where female models are dull unless they ooze sexuality?

Besides which, it isn't like the industry is inundated with a lack of sexy female models. You can't throw a stone without finding a sexy this or a sexy that. If the representation wasn't so bloody lopsided then people might have a point. But the industry is so engulfed in catering to the male demographic that it often seems up its own arse when it comes to gender equality.

So what is the harm in having some female minis that aren't played up for sexiness but are awesome because they are stone cold bad ass in their own right? Who is harmed by having a more fair and balanced representation of things that might appeal to women or even men who are just sick to hell of over-sexed stereotypes that are the norm in the industry?

I'm all for fantasy in gaming, I just don't think the definition of fantasy requires every woman needs to look like a porn star. *shrug*

Well I liked the old flamer version but besides that I like the new models much more.


I would like to see less extreme haircuts though and the "flamer" reminds me of the blitzers special weapon which were kinda weird...

well one if the things about them being corporations instead of countries is that they all sell weapons and armour to each other. Like the punisher Pistol (and knife), the nimrod and the deathlockdrum (?) the gehenna puker (the flamethrower you spotted) is a weapon available to all corporations as well as being used a lot by doomtroopers and cartel aligned forces.

all these weapons with the exception of the punisher combo (which is brotherhood produced) is produced by the cartel.

The old flamethrower you showed was the light flamethrower they gave them in 2nd edition, the Blitzers flamethrower you spotted is the Gehena Puker, the iconic WZ heavy flamethrower they gave them, so its no surprise it looks similar they are similar.