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 Sasori wrote:
I don't think we'll see a 9th edition anytime soon. GW seems to be bringing books into balance with 8th in mind, and so far all the books have been pretty well balanced against each other.

I agree but I have a friend who put it in simpler terms, As every 8th edition army book the orginial 8th books look better written.

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
I don't even see the need for 9th tbh. 40k direly needed 6th because of major imbalances in regard to vehivcles.

WHFB, however, only has few minor points and magic that needs to be adjusted, but other from that, I consider WHFB to be pretty well-balanced.

Well skirmisher/non hoard based could use a boost

And I kinda wish that a BSB and a Level 4 wizard werent so mandatory

Your defintely correct that in most races you need a lv 4 and BSB but not all.

I just won a tournament with my khorne demons and didnt have a lv 4. Of course demons need updated anyways. Also the undead dont really need bsb's too much.

 Mr Morden wrote:

very Large Lizardman Settlement on the border of the Tomb Kings so thats all good.

Except that the South Lands lack Saurus IIRC

 kenshin620 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

very Large Lizardman Settlement on the border of the Tomb Kings so thats all good.

Except that the South Lands lack Saurus IIRC

Not got my books to hand - however just read the Nagash novels and they had proper Saurus back then but they may have all died since then - its a few thousand years and just been left with Skinks - also recently read an older Lizardmen army book and they had Saurus and Slann IIRC......

 captain collius wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I don't think we'll see a 9th edition anytime soon. GW seems to be bringing books into balance with 8th in mind, and so far all the books have been pretty well balanced against each other.

I agree but I have a friend who put it in simpler terms, As every 8th edition army book the orginial 8th books look better written.

All 8th books so far are almost perfectly balanced. WoC is the first one where I see some (minor) points in regards to overnerfs (aka Marauders now too expensive), but as a 100% Goblin player, I love my book

 Sigvatr wrote:
I don't even see the need for 9th tbh. 40k direly needed 6th because of major imbalances in regard to vehivcles.

WHFB, however, only has few minor points and magic that needs to be adjusted, but other from that, I consider WHFB to be pretty well-balanced.

I thought you used to hate 8th Ed?

Anyway, count me in as another "why does OP think 9th is so soon/we don't need 9th now/8th still has a couple years left on its cycle/etc" contingent. I'm guessing Summer/Fall 2015 will be the soonest it comes out.

But that doesn't address the OP's question! I think some can be ruled out - HE, Skaven, O&G, and Dwarfs specifically b/c of their recent starter set inclusions. I also agree having any Undead is a bit of a rash idea, so that already takes out about 2/5 of available armies...

 Infreak wrote:
Its possible they might do a similar release for 9th as they did for 40k 6th. Starter box with two armies which then get the first two updates.

I was thinking that. In which case, I'd guess Beastmen and Wood Elves, as I personally believe those'll be the last 2 books updated in this current cycle. Not sure if that's sexy enough to attract new players? I mean, sure it sounds that way - cool buff minotaurs and wood elves to appease any elf fanboy, but something about both together just doesn't sit right for me for some reason. Maybe b/c both books are near the bottom of popularity atm?

Regardless, my guess is any combo of Empire, Beastmen, Ogres, and WE. If I had to put $$ on it, I'd bet Empire v Beastmen.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 captain collius wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I don't think we'll see a 9th edition anytime soon. GW seems to be bringing books into balance with 8th in mind, and so far all the books have been pretty well balanced against each other.

I agree but I have a friend who put it in simpler terms, As every 8th edition army book the orginial 8th books look better written.

All 8th books so far are almost perfectly balanced. WoC is the first one where I see some (minor) points in regards to overnerfs (aka Marauders now too expensive), but as a 100% Goblin player, I love my book

Fair point but as to the starter i think it will be

Brettonians vs. Beastmen

nice fit combat armies

Some good ideas and reasons, and yeah I totally forgot Dwarves and Goblins already happened so recently, so will go for the War of the Beard revenge match I suggested as my left field choice, Dwarves and Dark Elves.

As to not wanting/expecting 9th, it seems very likely it'll be next year due to the rolling cycle already in place and also folks have to remember the new editions are just as much about being a cash injection for GW, as tightening up, improving the rules set.

40K 4th (2004)
Warhammer 7th (2006)
40K 5th (2008)
Warhammer 8th (2010)
40K 6th (2012)
Warhammer 9th (2014?)

To be fair there where folks who felt there was no chance of 40K coming out in 2012 as well, but I've seen more than one rumour monger over the last five or so years say GW policy is to use the release of the main sets as a way to increase revenue, and like the price rises, this is something in my mind that will be here to stay.

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

I thought you used to hate 8th Ed?

I hate the major flaws 8th brought, mainly the really terrible magic rules and the dumbed-down movement along with replacing skill with luck. I don't play WHFB competitively anymore as it's mostly luck- / list-based now, but I still play a 100% Goblin army...why endlessly hate on the lack of skill when you can embrace it and play an army that's fully based on luck?

Might play at the next local tournament though - with restrictions ofc. Unrestriced 8th is a joke.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

I thought you used to hate 8th Ed?

I hate the major flaws 8th brought, mainly the really terrible magic rules and the dumbed-down movement along with replacing skill with luck. I don't play WHFB competitively anymore as it's mostly luck- / list-based now, but I still play a 100% Goblin army...why endlessly hate on the lack of skill when you can embrace it and play an army that's fully based on luck?

Might play at the next local tournament though - with restrictions ofc. Unrestriced 8th is a joke.

Yeah..... No apart from terrain not slowing anything anymore, 8th is a great ruleset (excusing usual gw illiteracy ofc).

I'd love to see the new box set be the "War of the Forest" with Wood Elves vs. Beastmen. That would be pretty neat.

I do agree GW needs to look over the new edition policy, and I think they will. The new army books are getting more balanced, and I think they might want to get the books out before they change.


I'd love to see Lizardmen or Ogres in the starter. Ogres vs. Brettonia. That would be a pretty wild starter.

Said it before and will say again:

Wood Elves vs Bretonnians,

both need major updates
both need new modesl
both need to get people collecting them.
Both are similar enough to be balance-able yet distinct enough.

Brets - unit of knights, archers men at arms, pegasus lord, sorcorerss
WE - archers, glade riders, plastic eternal guard, mage

 Spyral wrote:
Said it before and will say again:

Wood Elves vs Bretonnians,

both need major updates
both need new modesl
both need to get people collecting them.
Both are similar enough to be balance-able yet distinct enough.

Brets - unit of knights, archers men at arms, pegasus lord, sorcorerss
WE - archers, glade riders, plastic eternal guard, mage

But.. But.. But.. if they are both in the starter box, then us hipsters won't have any unplayed armies left to represent

 Krellnus wrote:

But.. But.. But.. if they are both in the starter box, then us hipsters won't have any unplayed armies left to represent

hipsters play WHFB??

 Krellnus wrote:

 Spyral wrote:
Said it before and will say again:

Wood Elves vs Bretonnians,

both need major updates
both need new modesl
both need to get people collecting them.
Both are similar enough to be balance-able yet distinct enough.

Brets - unit of knights, archers men at arms, pegasus lord, sorcorerss
WE - archers, glade riders, plastic eternal guard, mage

But.. But.. But.. if they are both in the starter box, then us hipsters won't have any unplayed armies left to represent

Kislev Do it.

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

But.. But.. But.. if they are both in the starter box, then us hipsters won't have any unplayed armies left to represent

hipsters play WHFB??

Hipsters play Dogs of War.

So many cool kits that could be made for DoW too, a shame it will never happen.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

But.. But.. But.. if they are both in the starter box, then us hipsters won't have any unplayed armies left to represent

hipsters play WHFB??

Hipsters play Dogs of War.

So many cool kits that could be made for DoW too, a shame it will never happen.

I could see Dogs of War being made if 9th has an Allies system like 40K6's.

However, it would most likely be a book of "here's units that can be allied to x army" instead of a stand alone army.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

But.. But.. But.. if they are both in the starter box, then us hipsters won't have any unplayed armies left to represent

hipsters play WHFB??

Hipsters play Dogs of War.

So many cool kits that could be made for DoW too, a shame it will never happen.

I could see Dogs of War being made in 9th has an Allies system like 40K6.

However, it would most likely be a book of "here's units that can be allied to x army" instead of an army.

I'm more interested in new models than I am in how/what the army is or plays. Still, I like the idea of having infamous mercenaries that certain armies can hire.

My dream combo would be Kislev vs Cathay... they'll probably never do it, but a guy can dream.

I hope there is no 9th soon, I'm just getting back in to Fantasy and learning 8th.

If there is a starter box coming, I think Dwarfs will be in it. Their models are perfect for the monopose minis. As for the foe, O&G makes the most sense, but they did that too recently. I would guess LIzardmen.

But dwarves have already had a starter box and there isn't really a precident to follow like 40k has(which always has space marines of some kind in the box)

I'd actually be interested in an Empire vs Warrior of Chaos(or Beastmen) as the box set.

Whats with this WE bs Bretts? They're the only army us WE's acturally like!

So obviously it will be wood elves vs sisters of battle.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Whats with this WE bs Bretts? They're the only army us WE's acturally like!

So obviously it will be wood elves vs sisters of battle.

HA!


Brets vs WE makes sense because the 2 races share a border which makes it rather easy to place them in battle against each other. Same reasons as both Empire and Dwarves facing off against Greenskins.

Now the 5th edition box made zero sense. Lizardmen vs Brets... Because lance formations are so good in the jungle I guess.

Even HE vs Skaven is a stretch, and note that the setting had to be on some random island in order to make any real sense.

I don't see any reason for a 9th Ed. as I feel 8 is still very viable, but this is GW we are talking about. That being said I hate to be the party pooper but the two armies that would be coming out will be Beastmen vs. Lizardmen ....The Old Gods of Chaos vs. the Old Gods of the Jungle. There is no love in Bretonia and all you Elveses get too much love from yourselves anyways ...So bring on Chaos! Now if and I mean "IF" Empire were to get it I would say then it would be Empire vs. Vampire Lords ....

I thought Wood Elves and Bretonnia were buddy-buddies?

If I would have my way it'd be Brets vs Dark Elves.

Not really, some foolhardy knights are always trapsing through the Elven forest looking for monsters to slay and the Wood Elves take them out for walking on the flowers.

 Grey Templar wrote:
But dwarves have already had a starter box and there isn't really a precident to follow like 40k has(which always has space marines of some kind in the box)

I'd actually be interested in an Empire vs Warrior of Chaos(or Beastmen) as the box set.

Empire also had a starter box, too.

Also, Gobbos and High Elves have already both been in 2.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Not really, some foolhardy knights are always trapsing through the Elven forest looking for monsters to slay and the Wood Elves take them out for walking on the flowers.

God i hate elves. Wood elves are basically a bunch of tree-hugging hippies. May as well have a 'save the whales' sign or something. GET A JOB!!!

Heh i wouldn't doubt they smell like nature, crap, not showering in forever and pot.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

But.. But.. But.. if they are both in the starter box, then us hipsters won't have any unplayed armies left to represent

hipsters play WHFB??

Hipsters play Dogs of War.

So many cool kits that could be made for DoW too, a shame it will never happen.

Hipsters also still play Chaos Dwarves. One of these days they'll be a full warhammer army again without the expensiveness of FW!

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Wood elves are basically a bunch of tree-hugging hippies.

Hippies dont murder you in your sleep though, with living trees and medieval SAS!

@kenshin620: One can only hope on the subject of chaos dwarves but perhaps they were removed from GW's list for a reason. That said dark eldar became the sh*t the second they got a new edition and re-done models after the longest time ever.

Yeah hippies are too lazy and hungry for doritos and more pot. Can we just move all hippies to some place where they can all b*tch and moan and complain about people that actually do something with their lives and make actual choices with worth and consequence to them?