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GW just released a new expansion today. check GW for more details, but in short it involves ammasing an airforce from your army and fighting for ariel domination. Don't fear SM players - you can now field the stormraven too.

for 20 quid the hardback books yours.

So - Opinions?

GA

Horrible.
What's next? Death Company for the Ultramarines? And Sanguinary Guard for all chapters?

NO retail sales=no sale to me.

So that's all I have to say on it.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Horrible.
What's next? Death Company for the Ultramarines? And Sanguinary Guard for all chapters?

love your enthusiasm for the cheesy future

I do however agree with you that the stormraven will cheeze this out. It should be marked up in points or diluted a bit. Orks also have an unfair advantage with the dakkajet too. Not thatI'm complaining...

Lets hope GW have thought this one through. If they have, then it will be an amazing expansion.

Terrible. Just terrible.

Yet another money grabbing scheme by Game$ Work$hop.

This is the most aggravating thing they have ever done, they are stopping new players playing the game, how can you justify this?

Ok so to play you need this expensive rulebook, this £30 Codex AND a £20 book just one for unit.

Then you actually have to BUY THE ARMY.

Ridiculous.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Horrible.
What's next? Death Company for the Ultramarines? And Sanguinary Guard for all chapters?

Because Stormraven was SUCH a flavorful and distinctly BA/GK (see, it already wasn't unique...) unit.

That said, it is a bit of a money grab. Won't be buying it myself, though my BT army certainly welcomes the reinforcements.

Storm Raven sales were no doubt drying up........

No doubt in the next Guard codex the Vendetta will be 300pts....and a new "guard" flyer will appear at 100pts to drive sales.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
NO retail sales=no sale to me.

So that's all I have to say on it.

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

I refuse to buy this product from GW. I think its a load of crap, and the only thing it appears to have truly done is give C:SM and BT 2 fliers. That's it. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong on that account, but every single other flyer has rules in other codex's. Why should I spend 30+ bucks on this item? Maybe, just maybe, if I were to be able to look at a copy at my LGS and it had some good stuff in it, I'd consider it. Since its direct from GW only, looks like nobody will get to see it unless they pay for it. Maybe it'll have some new rules in it, but who gives a crap? Are you going to tell me I need to have this book to ever use a flyer(even if its in my dex) in my 40K games? I want to know what this book has to offer, and as the consumer, what advantages are there to buying it? So far I see none.

Then they create these new "releases" on their website and sell me a bunch of crap at no discount. Again, why? Oh how convenient, I only have to click a button once...to save zero money. Screw that, I'll keep ordering from other retailers.

I'm not one to complain about GW(as there seem to be hundreds of threads dedicated to that alone), but they are certainly shooting themselves in the foot with this one. I hope the community sees this is a BS stunt to make extra money that doesn't help them as a player, and boycotts this product by not purchasing it.

I'm interested in what is in there, but upset that a full rule book that came out less than a year ago now requires a $33 expansion instead of providing an FAQ through the website. Not cool GW. We've all purchased the BRB, DV or at least a second hand mini rule book, plus the fliers and now there is another book to buy, only available through the company website. Also, I that liked BA and Grey Knights having the Stormraven market cornered, if only because I play BA.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
NO retail sales=no sale to me.

So that's all I have to say on it.

I have to agree. The only reason I've ever bought any of the supplements to the main game (Cities of Death, Planetstrike, Apocalypse) was because my local game shop was able to sell it to me. I can't even go into the local Games-Workshop and buy this off the shelf.

I wonder if they are going to give the storm talon to the other chapters.
I also wonder if they are going to share the same slot, or can you bring 3 storm talons and 3 storm ravens.

 Firehead158 wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
NO retail sales=no sale to me.

So that's all I have to say on it.

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

I refuse to buy this product from GW. I think its a load of crap, and the only thing it appears to have truly done is give C:SM and BT 2 fliers. That's it. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong on that account, but every single other flyer has rules in other codex's. Why should I spend 30+ bucks on this item? Maybe, just maybe, if I were to be able to look at a copy at my LGS and it had some good stuff in it, I'd consider it. Since its direct from GW only, looks like nobody will get to see it unless they pay for it. Maybe it'll have some new rules in it, but who gives a crap? Are you going to tell me I need to have this book to ever use a flyer(even if its in my dex) in my 40K games? I want to know what this book has to offer, and as the consumer, what advantages are there to buying it? So far I see none.

Then they create these new "releases" on their website and sell me a bunch of crap at no discount. Again, why? Oh how convenient, I only have to click a button once...to save zero money. Screw that, I'll keep ordering from other retailers.

I'm not one to complain about GW(as there seem to be hundreds of threads dedicated to that alone), but they are certainly shooting themselves in the foot with this one. I hope the community sees this is a BS stunt to make extra money that doesn't help them as a player, and boycotts this product by not purchasing it.

Ditto. It's horrible. We already have Planetstrike, Cities of Death, Battle Missions, Apocalypse and now this crap for expansions. Instead of filling pages with 'pretty' pictures and useless banter about how some guy at GW made a 'pretty' army they should try and bundle all of these into one book, save everyone the pain.
The main thing I see is the scenarios and special rules, which they could put in a WD, and the 'specialist' Dogfighting rules, which is so much . I mean, what's next are we going to have a completely revamped "Knife to the Chest" where you basically fight out one combat between three guys and you get 'special' rules in close combat. Or maybe its "Tread Combat" where you get special rules for tank to tank shooting. Oh my gods. I think I'll finish my current project and then quit buying stuff except my codex and the BRB.

personally i think the storm talon makes a better unit for all the Sm chapeters than the raven, well because its in C:SM already and the raven is in over dex's that dont get the baby flyer

also isnt the 'talon a FA slot and the raven HS?

so taht tehre is a chance of 3 of each hitting the board

Did they ever actually say that this book is the only way to get the rules for the fliers now?

If so, that's BS.

If not, it's still BS.

 washout77 wrote:
Did they ever actually say that this book is the only way to get the rules for the fliers now?

If so, that's BS.

Basically they did in the new FAQ's.


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From the Ork FAQ "White Dwarf June 2012 (WD390)
Updated rules for the Ork Dakkajet, Burna-bommer and Blitza- bommer can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium."

 Insurgency Walker wrote:

 washout77 wrote:
Did they ever actually say that this book is the only way to get the rules for the fliers now?

If so, that's BS.

Basically they did in the new FAQ's.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
From the Ork FAQ "White Dwarf June 2012 (WD390)
Updated rules for the Ork Dakkajet, Burna-bommer and Blitza- bommer can be found in the Death From the Skies compendium."

Ya know every once in a while I think "why did I quit GW again?", and then stuff like this happens and it helps me remember why I got out of dodge early and fled to historicals hahaha

Maybe if I win the lottery or something, I'll try picking my IG back up again

So does this mean I can no longer use the rules for my doom scythe from Codex Necrons? Do I have to buy this book to see if the rules or points values have changed? In the necron faq it just says that the fliers lose deep strike. Does anyone actually have this book yet?

 washout77 wrote:
Did they ever actually say that this book is the only way to get the rules for the fliers now?

The FAQs say to use the new book for the storm talon and Ork flyers instead of the WD. Which is basically saying you have to buy your FAQ now.

Personally I hate this book. Because this and CoF came out only months apart and still less than a year from the release of the BRB. Why do I need an expansion on the basic game when I'm still waiting for most armies to get up to date?

And personally I can't wait to see C:SM start to absorb non-astartes units. Codex Space marine Infantry platoons lead by Ultramarine commisars. Ultramarine Harlequins. Ultramarine Crisis suits and Broadsides.

I have seen the future. And. It. Is. ULTRA!

Complete and utter waste of time and money which should have been a free pdf instead of an expensive piece of manure.
I wouldn't be suprised if at least some Ork and Spacemarine players find erm, "alternative" ways to get the rules for their flyers or altogether alternative gamesystems.

Its not really an expansion, its flyer rules from the 6ed book, optional flyer rules from that limited ed. campaign that came out around christmas, plus updated stats for already released flyers...

It's not an expansion. And I while I would certainly like it to be cheaper and/or a free download; I can't understand the anger here. People complained that new comers to the hobby are hamstrung because to get rules for some of their flyers they had to track down an old White Dwarf that was hard to get. Now GW puts the rules for everything out in one book and people complain they have to buy that book. Yes, buying a WD was cheaper than this book but not by much and this has more than just three flyers rules in it. And it's not limited edition. And they updated the FAQ's and Errata for those people with already existing flyer entries in their codex. Unless I'm missing something this is just an optional purchase for those people who want the WD rules for their flyers and missed it the first time 'round.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Its not really an expansion, its flyer rules from the 6ed book, optional flyer rules from that limited ed. campaign that came out around christmas, plus updated stats for already released flyers...

I call it an expansion because it states in the FAQ that you need to use the Death from the Skies book to use the Storm Talon and Dakka Jet.

Here's a break down.
Flyer rules- Had it from the BRB
campaign/optional flyer rules- Nobody wanted it and nobody purchased it. Changing the cover won't change that.
Stats for already released flyers and whatever changes- Could/should have been covered in an FAQ/Errata.

Again, it just seems like they want people to pay them large amounts of money for a glorified FAQ. The old content was already covered in the BRB or something that nobody wanted after they were able to GLOSS OVER IT IN THE STORE. Now they're making you purchase a book with no user review or detailed summary other than their generic description of "Super fun time happy book give you long fun time super deal, you buy now"

What really bothers me is they apparently invalidated the WD books from the way I read it. So instead of just issuing another WD, they make us buy this crap.

Never buying it.
Bad enough i had to buy an expensive as hell book that really only justifies the cost by making it hardback (for no reason and is more annoying than good cuz hardbacks arent as easy to quickflip through) and having MORE THAN HALF OF IT be complete fluff and high-quality images that i dont give a damn about.
And with the new DA codex, theyre showing theyre doing the same trend with codexes to jack the price up. Not gonna be surprised when/if orks get a new codex i'll be chucking out another 60+ dollars for it, not to mention new units.

GW is definately alienating new players. Its already expensive to get the army much less the rule books to even ATTEMPT to play. You cant justify how an army plays till 1k-2k pt games, and in some cases not even till 1.5k-2k. Thats expensive to get that many points and be viable.

I think crying that how losing the Stormraven as a BT/BA only vehicle irresponsibly dilutes those Chapters is a bit too much of a reaction. I mean, c'mon.

I do think the supplement is a dumb way of charging for a FAQ/Errata document. At least the old Chapter Approved books were full of fun stuff reprinted from White Dwarf that was intended for spicing up "for fun" games, like Feral Orcs,, Cursed Founding Chapters, or the extra Psychic power tables.

They weren't intended to be required rules material to play the game. The Errata they contained for the various Codex books were later put right into those books' reprints anyway.

Not cool GW. We've all purchased the BRB, DV or at least a second hand mini rule book, plus the fliers and now there is another book to buy, only available through the company website

A very good point. But I haven't even bought the 6th edition rulebook yet because of the EXTREME cost of the rulebook in Australia, death from the skies in just exacerbating the problem. Anyway without turning this into a discussion about GW pricing, I won't be buying the book.

 Pox Apostle wrote:
People complained that new comers to the hobby are hamstrung because to get rules for some of their flyers they had to track down an old White Dwarf that was hard to get. Now GW puts the rules for everything out in one book and people complain they have to buy that book.

People wanted an easily available PDF so people can use the WD flyer rules, an errata to bring flyers to balance for 6th, and a flyer wave so that the other armies can field AA. Instead people are forced to buy an expensive book at more than triple the cost of a WD for the exact same content, adding in that C:SM get their second flyer release while SW, SoB, Tau, and Eldar are left in the dust.

 Pox Apostle wrote:

Yes, buying a WD was cheaper than this book but not by much and this has more than just three flyers rules in it. And it's not limited edition. And they updated the FAQ's and Errata for those people with already existing flyer entries in their codex. Unless I'm missing something this is just an optional purchase for those people who want the WD rules for their flyers and missed it the first time 'round.

Triple the cost of the original WD, limited because it's only available through the site and in only one language, and the FAQs say to refer to the Death from the Skies book.

 Savageconvoy wrote:

 Pox Apostle wrote:
People complained that new comers to the hobby are hamstrung because to get rules for some of their flyers they had to track down an old White Dwarf that was hard to get. Now GW puts the rules for everything out in one book and people complain they have to buy that book.

People wanted an easily available PDF so people can use the WD flyer rules, an errata to bring flyers to balance for 6th, and a flyer wave so that the other armies can field AA. Instead people are forced to buy an expensive book at more than triple the cost of a WD for the exact same content, adding in that C:SM get their second flyer release while SW, SoB, Tau, and Eldar are left in the dust.

 Pox Apostle wrote:

Yes, buying a WD was cheaper than this book but not by much and this has more than just three flyers rules in it. And it's not limited edition. And they updated the FAQ's and Errata for those people with already existing flyer entries in their codex. Unless I'm missing something this is just an optional purchase for those people who want the WD rules for their flyers and missed it the first time 'round.

Triple the cost of the original WD, limited because it's only available through the site and in only one language, and the FAQs say to refer to the Death from the Skies book.

Let's be honest, SoB, Tau and Eldar are left in the dust in a lot of other ways as well. Not saying you're not right, just that I'd rather new codex's instead of some quickly tossed together flyer rules at this point. And you're right about the FAQ saying to refer to the compendium, which I didn't see before and I have to say is a gakky move. It should not be required to play the game. However, at this point I've given up on GW making decisions that make sense. I'm happy the rules are available, even if slightly more expensive than I would have liked. I dislike that people are required to buy this book in addition to all else just to play their armies. It should not be that way.

I play Orks and I honestly will not be getting this..30 bucks for 3 pages of info I already have? Why bother. Even if they did change something about the ork flyers(which from what I gather they havent) whats the point?

This is the worst money grab product from GW ever! It is forcing some armys (SM/orks) to buy 2 books to play their army in a base 6th edition setting.

Let's rewind back to previous GW supplment releases; Battle Missions is solely used as new maps types. There are no new rules to 5th ed so you can play either with or without it.

Apoc has new specific rules for some units (baneblade/stompa for IG/Orks). But becuase it is a supplment game, you don't need to buy it to play 5th ed. You do need to buy it if you want to play an Apoc game, in which case all Apoc players will need to buy or share the book.

This Death from the Skies book however breaks the trend. You need to buy this book for a Normal game of 6th ed. its starting to force players to buy additional rules in addition to the models piecemeal.

GW should release rules to the general public for new products that can't make it to the print run, such as the case for SM and Ork flyers. becuase all GW players should be able with play their armys with just the rulebook and codex.

If GW can get away this time with the flyers book it is a loss for all GW players. Think of what they can do in the future! That new Wall of Martyrs we got during Christmas? How would you like to purchase a new $40CAD supplement to tell you the new rules for it? What? You think its a ripoff and not worth it? Well... one of the rules is that the bunker is AV15 all around and re-rolls to damage chart (fake rules for emphsis), I'm sure your friend/oppoinent is buying the book, would you like to play at an disadvantage?...

Personally all I care about for myself is the official access to ST&SR for BT, and SR for C:SM. I don't need the book itself, so no will be spent on it. Of course those that play at GW stores and strict tournaments that require you to have all the books relevant to your army/units are not as fortunate.