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So did they change anything to the DE Razorwing or Void Raven?

Lets see, space marines get another unit from another codex for no reason? check
Black Templars get an update of some sort? Okay I can live with that
A bunch of 5e fliers lost deep strike and/or other USR's? Uhh.. unless the point costs changed, you put out an FAQ for them anyway
Tyranids still don't have a model/useful rules for the harpy? Lets see... when did C:T come out? uuhh... was it jJan 2010?
Given this information I will never be getting one because the three times I've direct ordered something it took like 4 months to get to me, and all that's on my area is a single FLGS whom I ordered through to avoid shipping.
Thanks GW... oh wait I mean




Oh, and instead of releasing the likely already completed harpy model and/or models for other armies who have holes in their codex... GW releases flier bundels!!! Complete with a 0% discount!!

Is anyone actually surprised?

Day 1 of the Storm Raven's release I knew it would find its way into the Vanilla codex and most likely BTs too.

I'm only surprised by how long it took.

 Rysaer wrote:
Money Grabbing at its finest.

This will be just as if not more disappointing than the 'Crusade of Fire' supplement. (I stupidly bought it.)

'Fool me once shame on you GW, fool me twice shame on me and my entire family.'

We have a club and I bought the CoF campaign book. We have been running the campaign since the start of January. We come to the end of phase 1 on the 1st march.

It is what you make it. I put a lot in to it, created a players booklet, special missions, reinforcement rules and am running a blog for challenges and results etc. we as a club enjoy it but not because GW have created a working campaign. Because I have toiled to finish what they should have done.

It wasn't a stupid buy, if you want pm me and I'll link you my resources, it might help. Check the blog too.

As for the fliers book, I want a crimson fist raven! If the only way to do this is to buy the book, then I guess I will have to. Unless I find that some copyright thief has uploaded a scanned one that is.

 CaptainHonkey wrote:
So did they change anything to the DE Razorwing or Void Raven?

Afaik they removed the flyers's ability to deepstrike. Because Dark Eldar are already superstrong ( they aren't ).

Did anyone ever deep strike flyers anyway? Never seen anyone do it, myself.

They have such a big footprint it is never worth it, kinda makes sense to remove it if it was never used and therefore unnecessary

Plus is there really a need to deep strike when you can go 36" and still shoot? Hard to find a target that 36" of movement doesn't get you into weapons range of. Except maybe in massive Apoc games.

There was no information of use for any of my armies in the fliers expansion. I also have no desire to play 40K scale dogfights. If I want an air to air styled game, I'll play Star Wars (I know they use space ships, but I hope you get my point).

FAQs updated the fliers, so I've got all the information I need to play against them.

Basically, no reason for me to order this book.

I won't be buying.

Its a shame that, as noted elsewhere the book was not more correctly titled

"F U non marine players". but then maybe that should be the title of 5th Ed 40k?

Even the Orks get screwed as they can't use the previously published rules as per the FAQ, so rather than trying to track down OOP White Dwarfs now need to buy a £20 book.....awesome.

I do have several Marine armies but also like to play other armies

Another golden opportuity missed - it could have been a great book full of lfyers for all armies and updating any issues - but apparently its not.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Another golden opportuity missed - it could have been a great book full of lfyers for all armies and updating any issues

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_AERONAUTICA.html

Glad they expanded a few of the marine flyers in to other forces (and provided a non-electronic, non-OOP WD method of getting flyer rules), disappointed that they decided not to actually balance any of them for the new edition. That was a big, missed opportunity for this thing. I doubt I'll be grabbing it.

 Pox Apostle wrote:
It's not an expansion. And I while I would certainly like it to be cheaper and/or a free download; I can't understand the anger here. People complained that new comers to the hobby are hamstrung because to get rules for some of their flyers they had to track down an old White Dwarf that was hard to get. Now GW puts the rules for everything out in one book and people complain they have to buy that book. Yes, buying a WD was cheaper than this book but not by much and this has more than just three flyers rules in it. And it's not limited edition. And they updated the FAQ's and Errata for those people with already existing flyer entries in their codex. Unless I'm missing something this is just an optional purchase for those people who want the WD rules for their flyers and missed it the first time 'round.

The problem is that they're selling, at an extremely high price, what every other company in the industry would put out for free, especially if they want people to buy the models. On top of that, they make it direct order only, cutting local retail out of the value chain, depriving what is many people's primary play areas of sales to keep the place going. And on top of that, most retailers found out about this release from customers, GW told them nothing, and it's a fairly critical release for product they sell.


It's optionality is primarily driven by three factors, if you either A: already had the flyer rules from WD, B: don't care about them and don't feel the need to know their rules in case you end up playing against them, or C: you don't mind pirating. If any of these aren't true, it's sort of a critical purchase for a 40k player in 6th edition. If they are true, which admittedly will be for many players (especially option C), then yes, it's not such a big thing, but for many it is, and it's a disastrous thing for retail relationships.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Another golden opportuity missed - it could have been a great book full of lfyers for all armies and updating any issues

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Books/IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_AERONAUTICA.html

I have that book - and its what this book could have been - with some extras so that Tryanids get some thing as well for example.

Sadly too many people whine about Forge World and so its little used..........

 tvih wrote:
Did anyone ever deep strike flyers anyway? Never seen anyone do it, myself.

I did it a lot, actually. It was a way of getting good positioning that is otherwise not possible when you have to fly straight up the table, especially in Hammer and Anvil deployment. Also, in the GK book, being able to pinpoint drop with servo skulls in the mix was a pretty solid way of getting a power CC unit in close, as long as you lived with Hover Mode the next turn. It wasn't a major loss, but its still one less tool in the toolbox. I think the main reason they dumped it was to avoid confusion over the mandatory 18" move or crash vs the no move if you DS thing, which there was some debate over at first. Also, they want people flying over enemy armies in one predictable direction, hence the removal of Scout from the IG flyiers as well.

Holey Cow someone who isn't going to dog on GW be Warned: I like the concept and would prefer GW do things like this "compendium" to update the rule book as opposed to releasing a new one every 4 years. However I don't like the limited release frame but at 33$ I will be buying this.

Guys WHO CARES , vanilla SM and BT get ravens , good for them . If they field it it just means 200 something less points from something else and BT players needed something ANYTHING as they are still running a 4th edition codex .

The new rules are FAQed so you don't even need the book if you don't want it.

just ignore it if it bothers you is my advice

 mk2 wrote:
Guys WHO CARES , vanilla SM and BT get ravens , good for them . If they field it it just means 200 something less points from something else and BT players needed something ANYTHING as they are still running a 4th edition codex .

The new rules are FAQed so you don't even need the book if you don't want it.

just ignore it if it bothers you is my advice

They are FAQ'd to refer to the book.

It's mostly irrelevant, imo. In casual play, just ignore them. Play by the rules you have access to and enjoy your game. If yoou want to play tournament, as the To to rule on it before the tourney, most have FAQs of their own anyways.


After blood in the badlands, and then Crusader of Fire, i wont be buying any more of these.. side projects

Ordered mine on Friday. I don't have anything to say on it until it arrives.

However, I'll finally have legal copies of the Dakka Jet rules, since that WD sold out in the first month...

I've ordered the new Book. Only because I can now legally field Storm Ravens. Will it be worth £20 ..... prob not.

I do think though that BA should have got access to the Storm Talon. Saying that if a BA player was to field one I wouldn't have any objections. At the end of the day its a game. The day I take it to seriously is the day I stop playing.

I have a feeling the reason why Eldar and Tau didn't get a flyer is because they will definitely be getting a new codex this year . Take a look at the below link:

http://perturbatory.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/2013-releases-listed.html

It got me excited

Advocacy of piracy or other criminal activity is a violation of the Dakka rules, which you agreed to in return for making an account. Please don't do this. -Mannahnin

Because most of us don't want to do something Illegal.

i still say its a waste of effort. and money. and with the way GW has been pricing their stuff, i have to REALLY consider and be careful how i spend my hobby $. no longer can i take 50 bucks and get a kit plus glue or paint - now that 50 might get me close to a kit i need, but more likley im still 20-30 bucks shy. and god forbid if i want any of the terrain sets or a nice big tank/vehicle/flier.

im not sure what they are trying to acomplish with these "cash grab" releases...

 mk2 wrote:
BT players needed something ANYTHING as they are still running a 4th edition codex .

Lots of races have an ancient codex....Orks are also 4th wtf edition is SOB anyway Tau are pretty old etc etc.

Even if they changed dakkajet rules (which from what i hear, they didnt) i wouldnt buy this because i rarely use dakkajets anyway...im on the fence of calling them useless as pt for pt lootas are WAY better and only have the advantage of not being pi-plated....but pi plates that reach that far are rarer than the dakkajet actually surviving random fire from blowing it up since its av10 for some stupid reason.

Sob is 5th, arguably designed with 6th in mind.

 Ultimate Ultra 431 wrote:
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I do think though that BA should have got access to the Storm Talon. Saying that if a BA player was to field one I wouldn't have any objections. At the end of the day its a game. The day I take it to seriously is the day I stop playing.

I second this!!

Lovepug13 wrote:
Storm Raven sales were no doubt drying up........

No doubt in the next Guard codex the Vendetta will be 300pts....and a new "guard" flyer will appear at 100pts to drive sales.

You don't mean like the Carnifex and Trygon? Nah that can never happen again.

So do the Space Wolves have any fliers at present?
DA got their own type BA had theirs and now BT and SM got the Storm Raven as well.
So do they get the SkyWolf or something?

SW have no flyer.