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**4oursword**

As long as Buildcraft, Railcraft and Minefactory Reloaded are in, I'm ok with pretty much whatever. IndustrialCraft is also a must-have mod to me.

**Melissia**

Industrialcraft is the mod I like the most, it fits in with Minecraft so well. But aside from that, I'm not picky... I just want the modpack to work well.

**4oursword**

See I like IC, but I feel it comes into its own when used with other compatible mods like MFR. I prefer it for its ability to generate power passively, which Buildcraft lacks.

**Melissia**

I like IC mostly because of how well it integrates in to default minecraft.

With mods like Thaumcraft, they're... well, blatant mods . They don't fit in. They can be enjoyable sure, but it's... so blatantly obvious. Like the My Little Pony mods on 40k games.

**The Dark Apostle**

Melissia wrote:
I like IC mostly because of how well it integrates in to default minecraft.

With mods like Thaumcraft, they're... well, blatant mods . They don't fit in. They can be enjoyable sure, but it's... so blatantly obvious. Like the My Little Pony mods on 40k games.

Personally, I feel magic is more fitting in MC compared to tech

**darkinnit**

I'd still like to give Monster a fair shake, because it does have a good selection from both sides. FTB Lite is a bit too light I think, with too much missing, they need a "FTB Medium". However, the FTB team might consider the Direwolf20 pack as filling the "Medium" slot.

I don't like the concepts of the separate Tech and Magic packs for a server. While suitable for Single Player (where they only have to satisfy one person) they're bound to cause dissatisfaction on a server with multiple different people's playstyles.

I have made a decision on the Blood Magic mod, I will enable it, I don't see anything wrong with it. I found a quote from Jadedcat on the reason for it being disabled:

Blood Magic was deemed possibly a bit too adult for some children. *shrug* Its an awesome mod though.

http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/ftb-horizons-general-feedback-thread.35285/page-4#post-487647

That is a discussion of the Horizons pack, but I assume the reason is the same for Monster.

**Xeriapt**

Glad blood magic will be enabled, it sounds cool.

**Corpsesarefun**

The Dark Apostle wrote:
Melissia wrote:
I like IC mostly because of how well it integrates in to default minecraft.

With mods like Thaumcraft, they're... well, blatant mods . They don't fit in. They can be enjoyable sure, but it's... so blatantly obvious. Like the My Little Pony mods on 40k games.

Personally, I feel magic is more fitting in MC compared to tech

For a game that is almost entirely about the progression of civilisation from wooden tools and mud huts to advanced tools and elaborate homes, extra technological advancement makes more sense than the tacked on magic systems that mods like Ars Magicka add.

I will say that Thaumcraft integrates itself really well though.

**Anvildude**

I do like Thaumcraft. Some of the others, like Soul Shards weren't too odd either. But going from enchanted swords made of diamonds to mining lasers and solar panels is a little odd. But going from enchanted swords to better enchanted swords is a more natural progression.

However, the roundness of a lot of the Thaumcraft stuff is a little more out of place.

**dsteingass**

What? no love for flying power armor?

**Anvildude**

Flying magic power armour

I never actually got into modular powersuits. Looked interesting, but much like all the other tech mods, too linear. Build this, then once you have the resources, this is a better tool and the old one is junk that you'll never use again, then build the next 'tier' and you'll never use the previous again. Whereas with, say, Thaumcraft- you'll aways have a use for the first Golem you create- candles are neat looking lightsources and have a use in high-level infusion. your basic iron-capped wood wand can sit in that crafting bench for when you need to make enchanted stone or whatever, and enchanted cloth armour has certain benefits over Battlemage armour along with its weaknesses.

This is also why I like Tinker's Constructs- There's always a use for your original stone picks, with Stonebound and the potential to give it up to 4 or 5 levels of Reinforced making it a cheap to repair tool for puttering around and designing things.

Maybe if the Heat System was a little more punishing I'd be more interested in Modular Powersuits- if Jetpacks created so much heat you couldn't use the Energy Field armours or made integrated tool usage while flying dangerous, so that there was still a reason to use the glider wings or parachute after making the jetpack module- that sort of 'nothing gets wasted' mentality works better for me.

**Melissia**

Anvildude wrote:
I do like Thaumcraft. Some of the others, like Soul Shards weren't too odd either. But going from enchanted swords made of diamonds to mining lasers and solar panels is a little odd.

Yo udo'nt jump straight to mining lasers and solar panels. Those are mid-high tier items.

You go from mud huts with wooden tools to stone tools to iron to diamond, all the while building up technology from a basic coal engine to building circuitry to an electric furnace and so on and so forth until you reach the level of a solar panel and a mining laser and etc.

**4oursword**

What puts me straight out from Thaumcraft is the Research system. I cannot bear it. Also the "Throw things in a cauldron and wave a stick at it" method of crafting.

Mods which add their own required crafting table annoy me, which is why I've never made an Assembly Table. I can tolerate Railcraft's Rolling Machine though, I feel it makes sense.

As an aside, is there a way to get IC2 crops which grow clay?

**Corpsesarefun**

I like the research system in principle but having to redo it with each world is tedious to say the least.

You can get automated crucibles now, so that's a welcome change.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Weird... I'm having trouble downloading modpacks from FTB. It downloads all the mods fine but has problems downloading the assets. Anyone else encountered this?

**4oursword**

Not me, Monster rubs fine here.

Thermal Expansion's changed. It doesn't use Minecraft Joules anymore, instead opting for Redstone Flux. The dev team claims it to be the most popular power system from modded Minecraft, explaining why I've never heard of it. It means that Energy Cells cannot power quarries any more, which was their main use for me. Sad face.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ah, you can convert from RF to MJ by connecting an Energy Conduit to.an MJ-Consuming device. That's ok then.

**Matt.Kingsley**

Figured out why it wasn't working... for some reason it blocked the website it gets the assets from...

Don't even know why it was blocked. Stupid thing.

Really? Well that's unfortunate. I never really used quarries in the first place, but it's still going to annoy me. (I mainly used turtles)

**Anvildude**

Hah! Real Steves use Picks! Stone Picks!

**Matt.Kingsley**

The more I play around with Monster (and the more I look at the wiki) the more I like it.

After playing around with Blood Magic for a bit there seems to be little point in using a Well of Suffering (kills mobs slowly for magic) + Regen ritual to get LP (it's mana system) without soul shards/searching for a dungeon spawner (or a chicken farm of lagginess, which is a no-no). The regen isn't enough to keep up with the Well (which is intentional). So self-sacrificing blood is the best method (with my limited testing & knowledge of the mod). Good thing there is a ritual that does just that

(plus, it can't kill you, so add the regen ritual and go AFK for a while).

Also, this item will be great for villages: http://ftbwiki.org/Trading_Post

**darkinnit**

It's not a chicken farm of lagginess if they're actually being killed (as long as they're being killed at the same rate or faster than they are being hatched).

The trading post has been around for a while, it's definitely in Unleashed.

I did post the announcement about Thermal Expansion's change to Redstone Flux quite a while ago. While I don't know about "most popular", if you take a look at several Youtube people and livestreamers playing 1.6, it certainly seems to be preferred for early game over Buildcraft's intentionally lossy systems.

**4oursword**

Neat. I shall look into it then.

I'm really getting hyped up for this now!

**Matt.Kingsley**

Ah, ok. I never really used villagers that much, so I never really had a reason to know.

**darkinnit**

Here are the changes to the default Monster config that I'll have the server run:

Biomes o Plenty - enabled
Blood Magic - enabled

World generation - ATG (includes BoP biomes)

Nether Ores:
Mining Nether Quartz does *not* anger pigmen (mining other Nether Ores still does anger pigmen)

Mystcraft:
"Disarm" link book feature disabled (this was the only reason I disabled the Ink Well in Unleashed, so in Monster the Ink Well is enabled and you have to craft your own link books, no more free link books)
Binder crafting recipe disabled (this block is only needed to create ages and I'm not allowing ages to be created)
Instability disabled - We won't be using Mystcraft in the normal sense of the mod, so there's no need for the negative side of the mod.

IC2:
Nuke crafting recipe disabled (I have yet to see Nukes used for anything productive)
Nuke explosion power: 4 (even if you somehow manage to get a Nuke, prepare for disappointment)

PortalGun:
Moon portals do not grab blocks. (Griefing prevention - but they still grab players - so do be nice to each other or I'll take away your toys)

Other default Monster config settings of note (I will not change these, but they are worth pointing out):
PortalGun:
Portalguns are no longer found as dungeon loot

Thaumcraft:
"Hard" nodes are disabled (the ones that act like black holes)
Taint spread is disabled.

Apart from the above, I will be leaving all settings as they are in the current Monster configuration unless I'm made aware of any particular reason a setting should be changed.

**Anvildude**

I think it'd be neat if, since Taint spread is disabled, you had a 'designated taint area' somewhere, for research and possible use. Could be kinda neat, I think.

**darkinnit**

Taint biomes spawn as part of world gen. There will be plenty around. You can pick which one you want to use. The severity of the taint can still increase or decrease. It's just the spread that's disabled.

Also forgot to mention that Portal guns require ender pearl dust as fuel.

**4oursword**

darkinnit wrote:
Mystcraft:
"Disarm" link book feature disabled (this was the only reason I disabled the Ink Well in Unleashed, so in Monster the Ink Well is enabled and you have to craft your own link books, no more free link books)
Binder crafting recipe disabled (this block is only needed to create ages and I'm not allowing ages to be created)
Instability disabled - We won't be using Mystcraft in the normal sense of the mod, so there's no need for the negative side of the mod.

So do we have any particular ages planned? Mining age seems like a solid idea, as does a nexus age like the current server's.

**Doctadeth**

Wish there was something extra hazardous like meteor age or something, with a huge WARNING.

**darkinnit**

Doctadeth wrote:
Wish there was something extra hazardous like meteor age or something, with a huge WARNING.

Well, the trouble with Meteors is the amount of block updates they cause. However, there will be Extra Utilities' "Deep Dark" dimension: https://imgur.com/a/2xbMF

I will be trying to keep the number of dimensions to a minimum. The mega-build and cave age were barely touched. The deep dark sort of matches the cave age (with more danger). Also as the deep dark also has dense ores I thought it might cover the mining age requirements. However, the main purpose of the mining age is to encourage people to not quarry the overworld, hence its perma-day and no caves/air pockets for more efficient quarrying. The danger of the deep dark and lack of daylight might be off putting for people who aren't into extreme quarrying. So I will probably still have the mining age.

**dsteingass**

Will the Spawn Fortress still have a workshop to use until we get our own shops up and running? The current one only lacked an induction smelter and a magma crucible.

**darkinnit**

dsteingass wrote:
Will the Spawn Fortress still have a workshop to use until we get our own shops up and running? The current one only lacked an induction smelter and a magma crucible.

Who told you spawn was a Fortress? *looks around warily*

Yes, I'll have the bare essentials on hand when I have the server ready (I'm currently pre-generating terrain), and will expand it out with better stuff as we go.