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I saw this in the theatre (the IMAX, no less) before all the bad reviews started coming back and I knew better. Nonetheless, I can't find it in me to hate it. It wasn't a very good movie, but it wasn't a very bad one, either. The plot was pretty flimsy, imo, but it was almost worth the price of the ticket to hear "Army of Me" booming through those loud-ass theater speakers. I also did enjoy the robot-samurai fight scene, good visuals.

I have to say that it could have been done better but I did really enjoy it none the less.

It is one of my "on my own and feeling in the mood for something strange" films.

I chaulked this one on par to Army of Darkness story wise...

And yes Manos: The Hand of Fate is legendarily BAD!

 Necroshea wrote:

Chongara wrote:
I think it's telling that the first place I've heard anything remotely close to positive about this movie is this forum.

Exalted. Been thinking the same thing since reading the title of this thread.

What's also funny is it's being compared to really bad movies from the 60's and 70's, as if being better than them (and this is assuming that it even is) makes it good.

Just because lots of poeple like/dislike something does not make it true for all or even true.

I compared it favourably to what o consider overated rubbish like Inception which many people claim to be "clever".

 Mr Morden wrote:
what I consider overated rubbish like Inception which many people claim to be "clever".

Reminds me of a friend I've got who thinks catwoman was a good movie. Not because of that actress parading around in the latex; he legitimately thinks it was a good movie.

Necroshea wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
what I consider overated rubbish like Inception which many people claim to be "clever".

Reminds me of a friend I've got who thinks catwoman was a good movie. Not because of that actress parading around in the latex; he legitimately thinks it was a good movie.

I get that you liked Inception, but how clever can a film adaptation of a Ducktales comic be?



EDIT: I liked Inception too. I just wish it gave its audience more credit than it did.

Credit to Zack Snyder; he managed to make a fight between a giant robot samurai with a mini gun Vs a ninja schoolgirl boring.
In the build up to release I was quite intrigued by suckerpunch, when I saw it i was bored, and mildly irritated by the hypocrisy.

Also; Inception is only clever if you don't read much sci-fi.

This is a pretty good review, except for the fact that the entire movie i]did[/i] take place in her head...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHfqWBDY2w

 azazel the cat wrote:
I get that you liked Inception, but how clever can a film adaptation of a Ducktales comic be?

As about as clever as anything based on anything else could be, which is basically everything ever written or filmed in the last 100 years. Just kidding, people being influenced by other stories goes back even further than that. Uncle Scrooge (it wasn't Ducktales, which is the cartoon years later) is generally regarded as being a fairly deft, influential comic in general, so I suppose that is a bit like saying "It was influenced by Ben Hur, so how good can it be?". I agree that it may have been a bit over-hyped, but you also have to contextualize that there hadn't been a big budget action film in a while that actually had ambition, and so I think it surprised people, which often goes hand-in-hand with people becoming highly enthusiastic about a bit.

Or, how insightful can a person be if all they are doing is repeating an article from Cracked?

Selym wrote:
This is a pretty good review, except for the fact that he couldn't understand anything that was happening...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHfqWBDY2w

Fixed that for you.

 Breotan wrote:

Selym wrote:
This is a pretty good review, except for the fact that he couldn't understand anything that was happening...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neHfqWBDY2w

Fixed that for you.

True enough, but I'm not entirely sure which side of the debate you're on, tbh.

Ahtman wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
I get that you liked Inception, but how clever can a film adaptation of a Ducktales comic be?

As about as clever as anything based on anything else could be, which is basically everything ever written or filmed in the last 100 years. Just kidding, people being influenced by other stories goes back even further than that. Uncle Scrooge (it wasn't Ducktales, which is the cartoon years later) is generally regarded as being a fairly deft, influential comic in general, so I suppose that is a bit like saying "It was influenced by Ben Hur, so how good can it be?". I agree that it may have been a bit over-hyped, but you also have to contextualize that there hadn't been a big budget action film in a while that actually had ambition, and so I think it surprised people, which often goes hand-in-hand with people becoming highly enthusiastic about a bit.

Or, how insightful can a person be if all they are doing is repeating an article from Cracked?

I honestly don't even remember Inception being that hyped up until after the fact. I think my disappointment with it is like someone said: it's really only clever if you don't read much science fiction. That was pretty much how I felt: the movie would constantly spell things out for the audience all the damned time because it thought everyone would be utterly lost with its concept (still a good movie, I just felt let down by how pedestrian it tried to make itself. But I'm also kinda a film snob).

Never seen that Cracked article before. My mind is blown; I always assumed that they were just another Disney comic. (I found out about the Inception bit from a Geekologie post a few years back)

Huh. I really liked suckerpunch. The fact that it's a multi-layered movie made up of about 90% metaphor seen through the eyes of a highly damaged teen victim and forces you to think makes it my kinda movie. It's a movie that if you just sit back and turn off your mind you are going to be somewhat entertained, but if you actually think... you'll be really entertained. And the amount of times I've talked to people who hated it because they couldn't be bothered thinking... meh. If they don't want to bother I can point them towards Michael Bay's latest production.

CoI wrote:
Huh. I really liked suckerpunch. The fact that it's a multi-layered movie made up of about 90% metaphor seen through the eyes of a highly damaged teen victim and forces you to think makes it my kinda movie. It's a movie that if you just sit back and turn off your mind you are going to be somewhat entertained, but if you actually think... you'll be really entertained. And the amount of times I've talked to people who hated it because they couldn't be bothered thinking... meh. If they don't want to bother I can point them towards Michael Bay's latest production.

The thing is, though, it was shoddily done. The acting was poor, the writing terrible, the pacing awful, and the whole thing reeked of a very contrived effort to cram as much nerd appeal in as possible while trying to put on this act of being deep and metaphorical. It was totally lame, and the perfect example of a cool idea. . . and nothing else.

It was yet another Womens Empowerment movie that preaches men are bad. The level of misandry in the movie was only exceeded by its horribly obvious plot and lackluster cinematography. Purely my opinion, btw.

Now if it had ditched the men are evil theme and had given us a heroine that competed successfully with men without obvious plot armour the movie would have had some redeeming value.

I also found the "women can only kick ass in a dream world" message insulting to women on a whole. Again, just my opinion

 focusedfire wrote:
It was yet another Womens Empowerment movie that preaches men are bad.

Except for the man in baby doll's action scenes, who plays the role of a father figure she never had,


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CoI wrote:
Huh. I really liked suckerpunch. The fact that it's a multi-layered movie made up of about 90% metaphor seen through the eyes of a highly damaged teen victim and forces you to think makes it my kinda movie. It's a movie that if you just sit back and turn off your mind you are going to be somewhat entertained, but if you actually think... you'll be really entertained. And the amount of times I've talked to people who hated it because they couldn't be bothered thinking... meh. If they don't want to bother I can point them towards Michael Bay's latest production.

well said.

CoI wrote:
Huh. I really liked suckerpunch. The fact that it's a multi-layered movie made up of about 90% metaphor seen through the eyes of a highly damaged teen victim and forces you to think makes it my kinda movie. It's a movie that if you just sit back and turn off your mind you are going to be somewhat entertained, but if you actually think... you'll be really entertained. And the amount of times I've talked to people who hated it because they couldn't be bothered thinking... meh. If they don't want to bother I can point them towards Michael Bay's latest production.

Agreed

it also irritates me how the official "critics" are usually the most lazy and ill informed reviewers, usually copying each other - probably why I ignore them as much as possible.

although to be fair - I have enjoyed some Michael Bay films.

I liked it a lot. For some reason most people I know hated it. Oh, and I didn't get the "rape" thing, I admit, I did find those scenes weird and I wondered what really happened but that never crossed my mind...wow.

IMHO I thought the movie was very stylish, original and action-packed with a good OST. Sure, the women were beautiful but really, what made me go was when I saw a giant samurai statue with a FREAKIN' MINIGUN. I just went . So much WIN.

Not only that, but "Oh, what's that? You like zombies?! Steampunk?! And mechs?! HERE! Have both! WW1 Steampunk German Zombies vs Mech, just for ya"

"What's that?! You are a big Dragon fan? Your username is pretty much always Draconic Lord? HERE! Have a scene with a Dragon!"

I really enjoyed the action of the movie

At last I have found people with enough mid-movie brainpower to enjoy the film

 Ahtman wrote:

 azazel the cat wrote:
I get that you liked Inception, but how clever can a film adaptation of a Ducktales comic be?

As about as clever as anything based on anything else could be, which is basically everything ever written or filmed in the last 100 years. Just kidding, people being influenced by other stories goes back even further than that. Uncle Scrooge (it wasn't Ducktales, which is the cartoon years later) is generally regarded as being a fairly deft, influential comic in general, so I suppose that is a bit like saying "It was influenced by Ben Hur, so how good can it be?". I agree that it may have been a bit over-hyped, but you also have to contextualize that there hadn't been a big budget action film in a while that actually had ambition, and so I think it surprised people, which often goes hand-in-hand with people becoming highly enthusiastic about a bit.

Or, how insightful can a person be if all they are doing is repeating an article from Cracked?

And Paprika did it before both of them (AND HOLY gak THAT WAS TRIPPY).

CoI wrote:
Huh. I really liked suckerpunch. The fact that it's a multi-layered movie made up of about 90% metaphor seen through the eyes of a highly damaged teen victim and forces you to think makes it my kinda movie. It's a movie that if you just sit back and turn off your mind you are going to be somewhat entertained, but if you actually think... you'll be really entertained. And the amount of times I've talked to people who hated it because they couldn't be bothered thinking... meh. If they don't want to bother I can point them towards Michael Bay's latest production.

Just because a movie has a lot of metaphors does not mean that it's a good movie. Nor does it mean that it's a smart one. If you want a movie that will actually make you think, there are plenty out there that aren't as god awful or stupid as Suckerpunch was.

 Fafnir wrote:

CoI wrote:
Huh. I really liked suckerpunch. The fact that it's a multi-layered movie made up of about 90% metaphor seen through the eyes of a highly damaged teen victim and forces you to think makes it my kinda movie. It's a movie that if you just sit back and turn off your mind you are going to be somewhat entertained, but if you actually think... you'll be really entertained. And the amount of times I've talked to people who hated it because they couldn't be bothered thinking... meh. If they don't want to bother I can point them towards Michael Bay's latest production.

Just because a movie has a lot of metaphors does not mean that it's a good movie. Nor does it mean that it's a smart one. If you want a movie that will actually make you think, there are plenty out there that aren't as god awful or stupid as Suckerpunch was.

Just because a film contains the following, does not mean it's a bad one:

Contains seemingly novice actors (Harry Potter got away with this one on the first two films)
Contains nearly nude young women (Srsly, this is probably the basis of most men's evening entertainment [but maybe with fewer clothes, and doing more things])
Has completely OTT and random action scenes (The transformer movies were ALL OTT action, and randomness occurs in a huge number of films)
Contains seemingly irrelevant moments in abundance (Wasn't that the majority of inception?)
Contains content that requires careful interpretation. ( Good god, please watch the film again whilst trying to see connections all the way through. If you actually bothered to try, the entire film makes logical sense).

Can we cut down on all the red text please?

It's somewhat confusing. Most of the time we try to reserve red text for the mods so seeing it makes me stop to see if there were any warnings I should be aware of.

It's not an official forum rule, but it's something that is helpful.

 d-usa wrote:
Can we cut down on all the red text please?

It's somewhat confusing. Most of the time we try to reserve red text for the mods so seeing it makes me stop to see if there were any warnings I should be aware of.

It's not an official forum rule, but it's something that is helpful.

Sorry, edited it out

Thanks.

Like I said, it's nothing official that keeps regular users from using it. And you will sometimes see people using it for different reasons.

But if mods are doing anything official in a thread (editing out texts or issuing a thread-wide warning) then they always use red text. So when a lot of us are just kind of scanning through a thread and scrolling through it we end up catching some red text and think that something happened that we should be aware of. It's just a small courtesy that makes threads just a little easier to read.

 d-usa wrote:
Thanks.

Like I said, it's nothing official that keeps regular users from using it. And you will sometimes see people using it for different reasons.

But if mods are doing anything official in a thread (editing out texts or issuing a thread-wide warning) then they always use red text. So when a lot of us are just kind of scanning through a thread and scrolling through it we end up catching some red text and think that something happened that we should be aware of. It's just a small courtesy that makes threads just a little easier to read.

I understand, there's millions of words to scan through every day on Dakka.

Selym wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

CoI wrote:
Huh. I really liked suckerpunch. The fact that it's a multi-layered movie made up of about 90% metaphor seen through the eyes of a highly damaged teen victim and forces you to think makes it my kinda movie. It's a movie that if you just sit back and turn off your mind you are going to be somewhat entertained, but if you actually think... you'll be really entertained. And the amount of times I've talked to people who hated it because they couldn't be bothered thinking... meh. If they don't want to bother I can point them towards Michael Bay's latest production.

Just because a movie has a lot of metaphors does not mean that it's a good movie. Nor does it mean that it's a smart one. If you want a movie that will actually make you think, there are plenty out there that aren't as god awful or stupid as Suckerpunch was.

Just because a film contains the following, does not mean it's a bad one:

Contains seemingly novice actors (Harry Potter got away with this one on the first two films)
Contains nearly nude young women (Srsly, this is probably the basis of most men's evening entertainment [but maybe with fewer clothes, and doing more things])
Has completely OTT and random action scenes (The transformer movies were ALL OTT action, and randomness occurs in a huge number of films)
Contains seemingly irrelevant moments in abundance (Wasn't that the majority of inception?)
Contains content that requires careful interpretation. (Good god, please watch the film again whilst trying to see connections all the way through. If you actually bothered to try, the entire film makes logical sense).

First off, de-colored.

Second, you didn't even respond to what he was saying. I am beginning to think that the only reason you think Suckerpunch is so cerebral is because you lack the depth of thought to either enjoy or recognize films that actually are.

 rubiksnoob wrote:


*snip*

First off, de-colored.

Second, you didn't even respond to what he was saying. I am beginning to think that the only reason you think Suckerpunch is so cerebral is because you lack the depth of thought to either enjoy or recognize films that actually are.

Cerebral? I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I've seen a lot of films, and my original point was that just because a film contains certain things, they do not necessarily mean it's a bad film. My second point is that the film has more depth than it gets credit for, and trying to explain to people why the events in the film actually make sense.
I never said it was the best film for mindfething, just that it's a better one than people seem to think.

The basis of almost all of my argument is that it's story line just needs some thinking.

Also, I would prefer it if I could have my intelligence left un-insulted.

And my point is that even with some thinking, the story is still really fething stupid. The simple fact is that if you think Suckerpunch is a smart film, you haven't seen many movies.

For all it's metaphor and symbolism, it only ever brings up the subjects its supposedly dealing with, and never really actually addresses them in an intelligent way. It's an overly convoluted mess that's more obsessed with jerking itself off over its own sense of depth than actually doing anything else, let alone telling a coherent story or making any of the points it tries to make actually matter. The awful characters certainly don't help either.

 Fafnir wrote:
And my point is that even with some thinking, the story is still really fething stupid. The simple fact is that if you think Suckerpunch is a smart film, you haven't seen many movies.

For all it's metaphor and symbolism, it only ever brings up the subjects its supposedly dealing with, and never really actually addresses them in an intelligent way. It's an overly convoluted mess that's more obsessed with jerking itself off over its own sense of depth than actually doing anything else, let alone telling a coherent story or making any of the points it tries to make actually matter. The awful characters certainly don't help either.

I don't think that the film was supposed to be particularly smart, just interesting. Make you do some thinking about Baby Doll's perspective. Could have done with a bit of depth, yes, but really, where else are you going to find that level of... *Insert a sentence that puts together steampunk nazi zombies, cute young women, giant-machine-gun-wielding-samurai, ninja-schoolgirl-with-katana-and-pistol, a train full of opressed robots who are trying to deliver and A-bomb to a city full of humans, a WW2 plane-vs-dragon scene, and whatever else is in the film* ?

[Good god, that would be a long sentence. I don't think I have enough words to put those together in any other way]

Selym, just a sort of side question that you don't really have to answer at all if you choose not to, and I won't mind at all if you don't, but how old are you? You don't even have to be specific, just give me a fairly small age bracket or the like.