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With six bedrooms, three bathrooms, a huge kitchen and the very latest in energy-saving eco-friendly design, it is a house that a great many of us would be very happy to buy and move into.

We’d probably be even happier – and perhaps a little humbled – if it was being specifically built for us and paid for by the taxpayer.

But not Heather Frost.

Far from simply being grateful for her good fortune, the jobless mother of 11 says that if she doesn’t like the house she’ll just tell the council to build her another one.

She is due to move into the property – valued at £400,000 – in July after ‘struggling’ to survive in two adjacent houses in Churchdown, Gloucestershire, which have been joined together by the council.

Her new home will slash water and energy bills with its modern design using natural, locally-sourced materials. Extra large windows will fill it with natural light.

But Miss Frost, 37, who is also a grandmother, said the move is still subject to her approving the two-storey accommodation with its 355sq ft kitchen and dining area.

Neighbours say Frost currently lives with 14 people: all her eleven children, two grandchildren and her partner Jake, who they claim is also unemployed.

I think this sums it up fairly nicely, and it was right at the top of the page too XD

Furious neighbour: 'It's a disgrace. She treats her womb like a clown car'

What of it dakka? Is this a massive abuse of the system? Or is she justified in her lifestyle and her benefits?

Wait wat.

Yeah that's an abuse of the system...

But Miss Frost, 37, who is also a grandmother,

This quote sums it up nicely as well... This woman is about a decade older than me, and 3 decades younger than my parents, and can already "claim" a title they can't... wtf... Also I love that this is the third house her clown car has gotten her...

UK members, I feel very sorry for you, with your taxes going to pay for a *word that dakka probably doesn't censor, but looks an awful lot like twit* (literally). And I'm serious-I do feel really bad. People like her should have been sterilized about 7 kids ago, and she should have been on a limited supply of welfare. Seriously. I'm suggesting that somebody goes inside this woman and rips out her ovaries so she can't continue this gross abuse of the system. Pain killers are optional. In fact, it's highly suggested they're avoided altogether.

It wouldn't be quite so bad if she and her partner had a job.

Yes that's a ridiculous situation.

Do wake me up when she's awarded herself 6 million pounds whilst she owes the British public 45.5 billion pounds.

http://www.news.com.au/business/breaking-news/royal-bank-of-scotland-boss-defends-bonus/story-e6frfkur-1226575846438

We really do fall prey to the super rich's bait and switch when we fixate on 'benefit mum scrounging' outrages whilst certain muthalovers sit in glass and steel castles, swimming in billions in our cash when they should be languishing in prisons.

As a hard working citizen, as a tax payer... You are right to be angry, your angry has just been diverted in the wrong direction.

In fairness, people were also angry at that.

People should be rioting in the bloody streets these sons of bitches are still sitting at the heads of their banks, or slipped away in platinum parachutes instead of standing trial for bringing the Western World into a crippling economic freefall.

The greatest smoke and mirrors the right wing has ever pulled on the working class was turning on the recreated underclass, allowing it to recreate a new fiscal aristocracy, above the law.

Oh she has a job, dumping out sprogs doubtless nets her considerably more income than my 50 hour a week joe-job. And I'm sure her female offspring will follow her into the family business.

It's the british way of doing things. Complain, complain, don't do anything, complain about nothing happening.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280385/Jobless-mother-11-Heather-Frost-6-bed-eco-house-moaning-TWO-council-homes-cramped.html

Miss Frost first became pregnant at the age of 14, to a man of 23 who ended up in jail. She is now sterile after having cervical cancer in 2011.
According to official records her children are: Sophie, 21, Toby, 19, Megan, 18, Angel, 16, Jay, 14, Chloe, 13, Paige, 12, Emily, ten, Bethany, nine, and Ruby, seven and Tilly, two.
She is grandmother to Sophie’s son Ashley, two.

After years of complaining, the council arranged for the 1,850sq ft two-storey eco-home to be custom built for her as part of a housing development.

so it's being built as part of a housing development then ?

Deal: Tewkesbury Borough Council bosses have sold a plot of land in Northway Lane, Tewkesbury, for around £210,000. In return, the housing provider is building the six-bed super-house along with 12 other homes

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Churchdown-mum-11-Heather-Frost-vows-demand/story-18191202-detail/story.html#axzz2LMMH1RWs

"It was my choice to have 11 children, I don't believe in abortion. I think it's a waste of taxpayers' money."

oh dear !

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/feb/18/tewkesbury-council-housing-eleven-children

The council told the housing association to build the home for Frost as part of the development and the decision to allocate it to her family drew omplaints from the TaxPayers' Alliance pressure group that it was a waste of money.

A spokeswoman for the housing association said the Frost family's new home could be divided into two again and there were no bespoke features beyond it being knocked together.

"It is bending the truth to say it is a mansion," she said. "We have simply adapted it to need. It is exactly the same specification as the rest of the development."

"This is an excellent example of the council working in partnership with registered providers, using public land to develop more affordable housing in line with government policy," said Derek Davies, lead member for built environment at Tewkesbury borough council.

"We were able to sell land owned by the borough council to Severn Vale for them to develop 13 affordable homes, including this unit to meet the particular needs of Ms Frost and her family. This is a human problem and we have to deal with it in a humane way."

so the council still owns the house(s) then and, given Govt. legislation, once her kids have up and left she'll have to move to another property..?

.. so.. annoying and irritating, but it's not forever.

http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/property/churchdown/

.. £400K seems a tad ..generous.. for the houses value ? Maybe the eco savingwhatsits add something ?

What happens when she utilizes in-vitro fertilization?

What if the government decides it's not her fault?

What happens when she utilizes in-vitro fertilization?

generally with cervical cancer this isn't an option AFAIK

Such a waste of money on someone who doesn't deserve it.

Things like that, while being an extreme example, show that there are people who are quite content to abuse a system that is supposed to be a safety net to help those in need.

It is unfortunate that a system that is supposed to help those seeking employment or unable to work because of a physical or mental impairment is seen by certain people as preferable to working. The sad fact is that successive governments in the UK have done little to change this either. Just last year the UK government said that those on state benefits should not have their income from benefits capped at £40,000 - that is more than many people make per year in gainful employment. Add to this housing benefits, family tax credits etc. and it becomes easy for those who work to think that the situation is farcical.

Many families I know would love to have more children, but because of financial commitments (mortgage, car, bills etc.) they can't. I'm sure it must be galling for those in that position to see their tax money being used by the government to pay people who have as many children as they want with little or no consequence for how they can afford their upbringing.

I am not saying that everyone who is unemployed is lazy and feckless and sponging off the system. What I am saying though is that there are elements who abuse the system, and because of them they give those in genuine need a bad name.

(I will say though that anything that the Guardian & Mail say I take with a pinch of salt at they are the mirror image of each other and both are not shy about distorting or omitting facts that do not suit their agenda)

 reds8n wrote:
so the council still owns the house(s) then and, given Govt. legislation, once her kids have up and left she'll have to move to another property..?

.. so.. annoying and irritating, but it's not forever.

It may not be forever, but I believe that statistically those who grow up on government benefits within the UK generally are recipients of them later in life. So those 11 children may go from living with their mother in government housing to each having a government house when they are eligible to leave home.

Sorry, missed that part.

No, they wouldn't.

It's not housing her and her family that's bad, guys. Let's distinguish between sheltering the poor on the one hand, which is good, and certain of the poor seeming to be rather ungrateful on the other hand.

She's now sterile? Good. No more popping out.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
She's now sterile? Good. No more popping out.

You really are a charming individual aren't you?

Big families are an okay thing when you're able to care and provide for them... But this... definitely smacks of abuse of the system.

With any social welfare system or program you will get people fiddling it or playing the system; it's just the nature of the beast. The important thing is to weed out the genuine from the not so genuine and ensure that no-one is denied the care that they are entitled to. Raging about the cost to the taxpayer is somewhat pointless given that it is a drop in the ocean compared to say, Starbucks tax bill avoidance.

Clear abuse of the system, take her kids, kick her out.

Sophie, 21, Toby, 19, Megan, 18, Angel, 16, Jay, 14, Chloe, 13, Paige, 12, Emily, ten, Bethany, nine, and Ruby, seven and Tilly, two.

3 of her kids are "adults" and could probably qualify for some level of government assistance, and taking her kids and kicking her out would still keep her on government support. Unless they intended to make her homeless...

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:


I am not saying that everyone who is unemployed is lazy and feckless and sponging off the system. What I am saying though is that there are elements who abuse the system, and because of them they give those in genuine need a bad name.

(I will say though that anything that the Guardian & Mail say I take with a pinch of salt at they are the mirror image of each other and both are not shy about distorting or omitting facts that do not suit their agenda)

.

I have to agree.

The scrounging jobless

TV's for prisoners.

Graduates not working in poundland.

And - heaven forbid - immigrants stealing jobs.

And fat cat bankers getting huge amounts of cash for bankrupting the economy.,

Everyone but the target of the Mail, Guardian et al are living the life of riley.

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Everyone but the target of the Mail, Guardian et al are living the life of riley.

They are? Well good for them, although I'm not certain what this has to do with what I posted.

Please do not spam the forum. Thanks ~ Manchu

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Everyone but the target of the Mail, Guardian et al are living the life of riley.

They are? Well good for them, although I'm not certain what this has to do with what I posted.

The Mail and Guardians slanted reporting has an audience which likes to believe that they are being besieged by malcontents on all sides.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:People should be rioting in the bloody streets these sons of bitches are still sitting at the heads of their banks, or slipped away in platinum parachutes instead of standing trial for bringing the Western World into a crippling economic freefall.

The greatest smoke and mirrors the right wing has ever pulled on the working class was turning on the recreated underclass, allowing it to recreate a new fiscal aristocracy, above the law.

I think if the executives were actually made to jump out of a plane with a platinum parachute there'd be a lot less complaining.

 xole wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:People should be rioting in the bloody streets these sons of bitches are still sitting at the heads of their banks, or slipped away in platinum parachutes instead of standing trial for bringing the Western World into a crippling economic freefall.

The greatest smoke and mirrors the right wing has ever pulled on the working class was turning on the recreated underclass, allowing it to recreate a new fiscal aristocracy, above the law.

I think if the executives were actually made to jump out of a plane with a platinum parachute there'd be a lot less complaining.

Could we then salvage said platinum? Providing of course we scrub off the tattered bits of banker... Could be a hell of a windfall for someone.