Grimdork Hobby Time! The successor

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**GrimDork**

Haven't gotten to play it yet, it looks confusing with like 7 types of dice and 18ish stacks of cards, but I'm guessing its not as bad as it looks once you're going. Gonna try to run myself through the practice/tutorial thing at some point and figure out some good missions. My intent is to bring it fully painted to the library for the next game day there, and run a mission or two.

In all likelihood, I probably only need to paint 4 heroes and less than a dozen imperial models for the first few scenarios, but I'd like to have it all done.

If I manage this goal, I may springboard from it to finishing the mars attacks base game, potentially with terrain. But one step at a time.

**adamsouza**

That's cool.

You know what else is cool ? Maelstrom's Edge....

There is only 2 days left and you get two of those creepy Angel things, and you magically learn to make professional terrain with the $12 scenery accessory sprue...Buy Yours Today !!

**Azazelx**

I just choked on my coffee for some reason... Nice Trandoshans, Grim.

**GrimDork**

I couldn't help being just a bit snarky. I wish SAS all the luck in the world, though I fear they may need it.

The supporters of ME are worse than mantic or GW fans from what I've been hearing (had to ditch the ks thread early on when someone tried to explain that people hand waving away eachother's points was the essence of arguing, and it seems to have gotten worse since then [I believe I saw someone point out that first edition eldar didn't look good compared to todays standards so why should first edition Medge models look good... because logic?]).

Anyway, realizing that those were the people who I would have to rely on for future rules questions, army list vetting, and painting/fluff feedback I just quickly lost interest. I realize its a vocal minority, but Dakka is going to be *the* home of ME and those people will be here continuing to profess that the game and company can do no wrong. Just isn't for me.

The terrain sprue is cool. I may buy some at retail if the price is reasonable and there aren't any weird bundling restrictions. The robots aren't bad. I can find cooler drones (albeit more expensive ones) and similarly sized humanoid mechs (reaper's CAV bones kickstarter will hit retail eventually, and some of them are similarly sized to either offered). I'm sure I'll be missing out on magical sliding core super detailed and modular robot kits if I go the CAV route, but I'd save money and once it's glued together, the poseability has done it's job. Just pick a CAV sculpt I'm already happy with and its a done deal.

I kind of want the suppression markers, and the size of the game sounds right... but I don't tend to kickstart games for rules and tokens, typically I want the models and there just aren't that many that I really want from Medge.

Anyway, I wish them the best, but I'll be quite glad when the campaign is over and the ad-space presumably returns somewhat to normal.

Eesh, I wasn't going to type that much but oh well.

I will say that the books were pretty cool. Kind of a raw deal that to properly enjoy the first book you have to buy the second, so what you're really getting is a $10 4-500 page kindle ebook instead of two independent books.. but I still enjoyed them. I would consider getting more in the future.

I may try to get the airbrush out a bit tomorrow, the storm troopers will go really fast when they hit the brush phase but they need their white undercoat neatened with the airbrush before I'm willing to paint the black details. Most of the rest of the imperial stuff is going to be basecoat+minor details into completion, with only the handful of rebels having much variation in color. Should be a pretty easy project to knock out.

For you Star Wars fan(atics), how horrible would it be for me to give the entire stormtrooper squad the one red shoulderpad? Is it a leader thing? I could do just one and be ok with it I guess. Would tie them better in with my corporation forces to which they'll be attached when active outside of IA games.

**angelofvengeance**

Apparently the guys with the shoulder pads are Non-Commissioned Officers.

The actual leaders have squares denoting their rank on the armour

**Paradigm**

Trandoshans are looking nice! Simple, but effective! It is a shame they're all monopose, but there's not a lot you can do about that from the look of them.

As for the Stormtrooper pads, if you take a look at the Clones they all have coloured markings in Ep.III and Clone Wars, officers or not. Stormtroopers are kept plain probably to keep them as faceless baddies, but I can't see why they couldn't have similar campaign/battalion markings.

**GrimDork**

Makes sense. I think I'll give all of my guys a red shoulder pad, I'll decide if I wanna do right or left later on, still gotta smooth out their under/basecoat with the airbrush as it isn't very nice at this point.

I think I'm gonna do the Imperial Officers next, gonna paint two in the grey/green of the army/navy and one in the black that I think represents the stormtrooper officer corps or w/e.

**Theophony**

I was worried that you were sucked into the Edge with the title change of the thread. Was reading your post and just now got another email from them trying to get me go back.

**carlos13th**

Do the left shoulder. Don't know.why just seems right

**kalonjacarl**

anybody else find the maelstrom edge adverts on the bottom really annoying specially since they are on top a lot too

**GrimDork**

Should only be a few more days now... if you click the 'click here to hide this promotion' link it seems to remove the large-ass pictures at least.

@Theo, I really wanted to like it, was all gung-ho for the first few days but then the fan base killed it for me more than anything SAS could have done.

I'll be saving my money for other stuff, probably not even models for the most part... though there is a certain dropship I've seen floating around lately that I would like to have.

**GrimDork**

Here are the officers. 7/36 painted, dip and bases to follow in a larger batch.

**GrimDork**

Gideon Argue is our first rebel hero. Shown with his character card. I think I did alright matching the colors. Seems like an interesting unit in game with the ability to cause a friendly figure to act. I'm guessing he's the boss of the rebel team.

**Paradigm**

Nice progress!

Since you mention dropships, any more progress on your own one with the DZ tiles?

**carlos13th**

Looking good grim.

**GrimDork**

Thanks guys. The drop ship still exists but it hasn't progressed. Kinda waiting on some stuff to fall into place before working on anything quite that large again.

Wondering with the neat new drop ships coming out if maybe I shouldn't turn it back into a tower lol.

Probabalh will finish it sometime though.

**shasolenzabi**

GrimDork wrote:
Gideon Argue is our first rebel hero. Shown with his character card. I think I did alright matching the colors. Seems like an interesting unit in game with the ability to cause a friendly figure to act. I'm guessing he's the boss of the rebel team.

With that rebellion command patch on his shoulder and wearing such non-drab colors, you bet he is a Rebel commander!

**GrimDork**

Yeah... mine didn't get a patch on his shoulder, seems a bit hard to paint at this scale, especially with the creased fabric on the mini's sleeve

Here's the progress so far, poor Gideon is somewhat outnumbered, hopefully he'll get some backup soon!

**shasolenzabi**

Yep, looks like he could some Rebel commandos!

**GrimDork**

Got some time to spend with the airbrush. As a result, I got everything base coated that needed it! It was all thanks to Chemist.

'This mission is a gift from god!' - Chemist

They offered us a reward, Time Mage looked inside and found

A commemorative photo!

This mission was a big success!

Ahem... maybe I should just go play FFT for a few hours huh?

Anyways, got everything basecoated that I wanted to, even did some weak OSL on vader. I managed to do most of the work on one of my mars attacks trucks too, bonus!

Still want to paint at least one more of the heroes tonight, or any of those minis I just finished. Some of the new stuff is dangerously close to being done already, but I need to give it time to cure.

**adamsouza**

They look like they are coming along nicely.

Did that repulsorlift vehicle on the right come in the game as well ?

**GrimDork**

Haha! That's a Mars Attacks truck, the Patriot Silverback, used both by the military and general population. A Mans truck, America's truck. Or something. You just can't see the tires well in the photo

One of Mantic's studio paint schemes for them.

I do have a pretty strong urge to look up some repulsor/hover crafts and try my hand at one. I figure something with simple sides and a smooth underside can't be *too* hard to use, and most of my other scifi models are appropriately high tech that such a craft would certainly fit in.

And I've just blown my own mind.... I always thought the T-16 was the [i]hovercraft they were riding around in during the movie[/] and had kind of wondered why shooting womprats with a rifle in that thing would make him good at flying an x-wing etc... Now I realize that the T-16 is some kind of proper air/spacecraft that actually flies and has guns... now it makes sense /facepalm.

Now what the hell am I supposed to google to find the little hoverhotrod they were cruising around in. Oh right they called them land speeders... I just need to watch the flippin movies again apparently...

**shasolenzabi**

Yeah , when they showed Luke playing with the stubby model with the high rudder/fin and 2 downward wings, the model was of the T-16

T-16

aka the "Skyhopper"

**GrimDork**

Yeah, I probably remember it now... its just they never showed him fly one so I figured he had a model of it because he wanted one, not because he had one and was really good at it. Luke's apparently high piloting skills always kind of confused me but if he had such a thing all along, it makes more sense.

**Stormwall**

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GrimDork wrote:
I couldn't help being just a bit snarky. I wish SAS all the luck in the world, though I fear they may need it.

The supporters of ME are worse than mantic or GW fans from what I've been hearing (had to ditch the ks thread early on when someone tried to explain that people hand waving away eachother's points was the essence of arguing, and it seems to have gotten worse since then [I believe I saw someone point out that first edition eldar didn't look good compared to todays standards so why should first edition Medge models look good... because logic?]).

Anyway, realizing that those were the people who I would have to rely on for future rules questions, army list vetting, and painting/fluff feedback I just quickly lost interest. I realize its a vocal minority, but Dakka is going to be *the* home of ME and those people will be here continuing to profess that the game and company can do no wrong. Just isn't for me.

The terrain sprue is cool. I may buy some at retail if the price is reasonable and there aren't any weird bundling restrictions. The robots aren't bad. I can find cooler drones (albeit more expensive ones) and similarly sized humanoid mechs (reaper's CAV bones kickstarter will hit retail eventually, and some of them are similarly sized to either offered). I'm sure I'll be missing out on magical sliding core super detailed and modular robot kits if I go the CAV route, but I'd save money and once it's glued together, the poseability has done it's job. Just pick a CAV sculpt I'm already happy with and its a done deal.

I kind of want the suppression markers, and the size of the game sounds right... but I don't tend to kickstart games for rules and tokens, typically I want the models and there just aren't that many that I really want from Medge.

Anyway, I wish them the best, but I'll be quite glad when the campaign is over and the ad-space presumably returns somewhat to normal.

Eesh, I wasn't going to type that much but oh well.

I will say that the books were pretty cool. Kind of a raw deal that to properly enjoy the first book you have to buy the second, so what you're really getting is a $10 4-500 page kindle ebook instead of two independent books.. but I still enjoyed them. I would consider getting more in the future.

I may try to get the airbrush out a bit tomorrow, the storm troopers will go really fast when they hit the brush phase but they need their white undercoat neatened with the airbrush before I'm willing to paint the black details. Most of the rest of the imperial stuff is going to be basecoat+minor details into completion, with only the handful of rebels having much variation in color. Should be a pretty easy project to knock out.

For you Star Wars fan(atics), how horrible would it be for me to give the entire stormtrooper squad the one red shoulderpad? Is it a leader thing? I could do just one and be ok with it I guess. Would tie them better in with my corporation forces to which they'll be attached when active outside of IA games.

I felt that way too, I feel like each time I post in the thread I could take a dakka vacation. Which makes me sad as I model and solely post my figures to Dakka. I was wondering if this was legit, to which I was nervous or if it was a snarky tidbit. I am glad it is actually the latter. I almost dumped my pledge of 114$ yesterday, and honestly, I probably wouldn't have pledged if I didn't have a trade agreement with Ritides, the only thing that barely interests me is the Karist big dudes, the mechs, and I definitely want the terrain. I just feel like I'm not valued as a customer, or worse, that the company can't do any wrong. Their marketing and PR skills suck.

I will be washing my hands of it once my minis are received, sadly. I really wanted to support dakka, and I did but, I won't give anymore. I'm sorry for typing that in your plog, at the risk of sounding like an ass but, it's nice to have someone who feels similar?

Anyways, your progress with the miniatures as of late has been stellar. I went on vacation so, I need to play 10 pages of catch up now.

**GrimDork**

Solidarity is a thing people crave. I think it's one of our more basic needs past the purely physiological ones. To know that we aren't alone, and aren't alone in how we think and feel (without the second, the first may hardly matter!).

I haven't taken the time to qualify exactly how I feel about Medge... I just know that a combination of the attitude/practices of both SAS and especially its most fervent supporters has put me off. As before, I do wish them success, and I much appreciate having DakkaDakka as a place to share my thoughts and models with fellow gamers, but the attitudes prevalent in the kickstarter thread fast-tracked me out of being interested even in a token rules/support pledge.

Fan(atic)s can be great, they can also be damaging. I almost walked away from a several hundred dollar deadzone pledge after putting up with all of the Brian Blessed DIVE nonsense that was polluting the kickstarter comments towards the end. I stuck it out and am glad I did, but the medge stuff killed my enthusiasm even quicker and so there we are.

I still may try to get some of the robots at retail, they're pretty neat.

I think its mostly been 10 pages of blabbing, trying to get some more solid results by blowing through imperial assault.

**adamsouza**

I want to support Medge, but no one else in my gaming circle does. Not going to pick it up, if I'm the only one who wants to play it, especially with Bones 3 and Zombicide Black Plague right around the corner.

**JoshInJapan**

First: I like those Star Wars minis. My son is just getting into SW, and I'm kicking myself for selling off my massive collection of prepaints when he was just a baby. Is the game worth it as a game?

Second: I pledged $10 for a copy of the ME rules, watched the dakka thread for a couple of days, then unsubscribed. Your description makes me glad I did so.

**GrimDork**

Yeah. Finances are also a concern. I may back it for the rules or rules+tokens (or really just the main pledge at that point) if money was less of a concern but I've got certain things coming up that are going to require some major restructuring and I only intend to add to the pile if it's stuff I really want.

Bones3 *may* get me, and it may not. I had a lot of fun painting the dragons don't share dragon (well most of it, and to that note..what part of the goroloth that I did paint too

) and some of the small dudes, and assume that I'll continue to have fun painting through bones 2 but... it kind of covers me for generic fantasy stuff for nearly ever. I may back bones 3 for the big stuff, but maybe not... there's only so much shelf space for ginormous display pieces / party eliminators.

I missed out on the other zombicide stuff and feel like without the kickstarter exclusives that i'd be missing out so I never end up buying the existing games, I'll probably skip that one.

But regardless of the viability of the rules, Warpath is gonna have a really cool dropship, virtually guaranteed to be in hard plastic so.. yeah saving a bit for that one.

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Joshinjapan, the game is too complicated at a glace for me to fathom it readily. I think it will make more sense once I set it up and do a run through. Compel seems to think well of it, he's been doing mini bat reps in the what are you doing today hobbywise only thread, you might peruse those.

There's just something about the dakka/medge thing. Maybe if I primarily posted on lead adventure or one of the other wargaming sites and didn't see as much about it... but being around it so much has really put me off.

Its like the devoted Mantic or GW fans, but even more potent. Another issue, I think, is the immutable nature of the project. Most kickstarters come out and have some stuff set in stone that's done, and then it comes down to napkin sketches. Medge was virtually complete from the get-go and so they can't change anything. People ask and they can't. All you can say to people telling you your models could be improved at that point is that you can't change them. Fans quickly point out that they're perfect and the studio has no choice but to put a positive spin on everything they can as they can't take things they've spent so much on back to the drawing board.

Its funny, they're set up to be successful without kickstarter.. but in so doing they've almost crippled their ability to game and use kickstarter to their advantage. Of course, as they were already nearly ready to go... they should still do fine and I wish them luck.

**adamsouza**

I missed out on the other zombicide stuff and feel like without the kickstarter exclusives that i'd be missing out so I never end up buying the existing games, I'll probably skip that one.

Not to play Devil's advocate but, Zombicide Black Plague is kind of an ideal starting point for new players to jump on. While it uses the same core rules it's Fantasy setting, instead of the modern setting, making it sort of a reboot. It's kind of like Warhmmer Fantasty is to 40K, being built around the same core, but distinctly different games.

As for regualr zombicide, the Exclusive survivors are nice to have, but they are not needed. If you want additional survivors beyond what it's included in the box sets you can print the dashboards for the exclusive figures, or make your own. Each surivivor is ruleswise is just a skill progression tree linked to a cool looking figure. We spent months playing with custom surivors, and we have all of the official ones. Heck, we even played with superheroes customs using rebased Heroclix. The key is not to let players make up new skills, and require them to use the existing ones.

My favorite custom was Magneto. He had tough to simulate a force field, and flung zombies around with magentism using Push and Taunt.

Sorry I'm ranting, but I've yet to have someone play a game of Zombicide with us and not love it afterwards.