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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 01:50:07
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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From the Blizzard Webpage.
We're excited to announce that Diablo III is being developed for the Sony PlayStation®3 computer entertainment system. We'll also be adapting the award-winning action–role-playing game for Sony's newly announced platform: the PlayStation® 4!
Sit Down, Relax, and Kill Some Demons
Diablo III for the PS3™/PS4™ will be based on the core PC game and feature all the latest updates, including Paragon levels, the Infernal Machine event, Monster Power, Brawling, and more. This version is also being tailored with customized controls, a new user interface, and a dynamic camera perspective to provide an awesome Diablo III experience for PlayStation gamers.
Players will be able to wage war against the Burning Hells on their own in single-player games as well as team up and destroy countless demons with their fellow Nephalem in multiplayer games. For multiplayer, players will have the option to choose between four-player online (complete with matchmaking) and four-player local co-op modes for their couch-based warfare.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 01:53:26
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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I wonder if this will require an always on connection...
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 02:49:30
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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The best part is the console version will be better. Fun times
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 11:21:35
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Terrible follow-up to a fantastic game gets ported to consoles.
Maybe if Blizzard had dropped a bombshell by going "Ghost Lives!" or something like that it'd be worth getting excited about... but Diablo III? Great.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 11:25:54
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah... I don't think Diablo 3 is good publicity anymore. The game has been slammed multiple times and to this day is still a prime example of horrible business practises influencing game mechanics.
The gameplay in general also sucked, story was gak etc. etc. List goes on and on.
Regardless, PS4 game line up looks rather... crap IMO. I'm interested when and how microsoft is going to do their thang and more importantly, which line up will win. Because without the good games, the system is useless anyway.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 14:33:35
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Coming Soon to Playstation 4: Error 34! And keep in mind Soladrin, this isn't the line-up of games. They haven't even said if any of these are launch titles. That and E3 is still to come this year. Previewing the PS4 now gets that out of the way so Sony's E3 presentation can be about what's coming for the PS4, rather than the PS4 itself. Plus it frees up all their developers to start talking about the PS4 games, rather than being gagged until an official E3 reveal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 15:29:39
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Fair enough. PS still has no franchise I actually like though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 15:45:23
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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And you would be wrong, of course.
Though mostly by adherents to Diablo II who fear change. Critically the game is still sitting pretty at 88% on metacritic and 87.7% on gamerankings. The sales numbers also don't bare out this analysis, nor does consistent numbers that log into the game everyday.
Soladrin wrote:and to this day is still a prime example of horrible business practises influencing game mechanics.
The only really terrible mechanic is the 'always online' choice, which is certainly debatable. The actual gameplay mechanics are quite elegant and well thought out. Is the leveling system different than Diablo 2? Sure, but it is quite an improvement in some ways, and besides, there are all sorts of companies making Diablo 2 clones if you want the same kind of skill trees and choosing stats and hoping that you didn't allocate incorrectly so that you don't have to start over that were developed over a decade ago.
Soladrin wrote:The gameplay in general also sucked, story was gak etc. etc. List goes on and on.
Hey look! More opinion being presented as fact! It doesn't matter if reality bears any of it out. You don't like and that is fine, but you have confused not liking it with it actually being bad, which is not the same thing. I don't care if you do or don't like it, but it does annoy me when people say "we feel this way" when really what they mean is "I feel this way but if I pretend a majority of faceless others agree with me than I can create a veneer of authority to my ill considered statements backing up my dislike of said thing instead of just acknowledging I just didn't like it". If you don't like it than don't like it, but don't make gak up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 15:53:00
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ahtman wrote:
And you would be wrong, of course.
Though mostly by adherents to Diablo II who fear change. Critically the game is still sitting pretty at 88% on metacritic and 87.7% on gamerankings. The sales numbers also don't bare out this analysis, nor does consistent numbers that log into the game everyday.
Soladrin wrote:and to this day is still a prime example of horrible business practises influencing game mechanics.
The only really terrible mechanic is the 'always online' choice, which is certainly debatable. The actual gameplay mechanics are quite elegant and well thought out. Is the leveling system different than Diablo 2? Sure, but it is quite an improvement in some ways, and besides, there are all sorts of companies making Diablo 2 clones if you want the same kind of skill trees and choosing stats and hoping that you didn't allocate incorrectly so that you don't have to start over that were developed over a decade ago.
Soladrin wrote:The gameplay in general also sucked, story was gak etc. etc. List goes on and on.
Hey look! More opinion being presented as fact! It doesn't matter if reality bears any of it out. You don't like and that is fine, but you have confused not liking it with it actually being bad, which is not the same thing. I don't care if you do or don't like it, but it does annoy me when people say "we feel this way" when really what they mean is "I feel this way but if I pretend a majority of faceless others agree with me than I can create a veneer of authority to my ill considered statements backing up my dislike of said thing instead of just acknowledging I just didn't like it". If you don't like it than don't like it, but don't make gak up.
Yes, limiting drops and lowering gold received from.. everything and all round crafting your game around a real money auction house is totaly agreeable practice. It didn't in any way limit the experiece, it was great.
Oh look, someone pointing out I'm voicing an opinion on a forum, what are the odds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 16:00:22
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Soladrin wrote:Oh look, someone pointing out I'm voicing an opinion on a forum, what are the odds.
The problem isn't voicing an opinion, the problem is trying to mask it as more than your opinion; to present it as some unassailable truth.
The real money auction house (and in game money for that matter) is completely optional and doesn't have to play any part in the gameplay experience if you don't want it to. It is an option, not a requirement. When I played the game with friends we never went to the auction house once and had a grand time. I don't think I've ever even logged onto the blasted thing.
I am sure I will be getting it for the console (it didn't say it was exclusive to PS3/4 so it could still be on other consoles as well) as I have other friends that don't into PC gaming, but do console games, and we all love couch co- op.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 16:34:47
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ahtman wrote: Soladrin wrote:Oh look, someone pointing out I'm voicing an opinion on a forum, what are the odds.
The problem isn't voicing an opinion, the problem is trying to mask it as more than your opinion; to present it as some unassailable truth.
The real money auction house (and in game money for that matter) is completely optional and doesn't have to play any part in the gameplay experience if you don't want it to. It is an option, not a requirement. When I played the game with friends we never went to the auction house once and had a grand time. I don't think I've ever even logged onto the blasted thing.
I am sure I will be getting it for the console (it didn't say it was exclusive to PS3/4 so it could still be on other consoles as well) as I have other friends that don't into PC gaming, but do console games, and we all love couch co- op.
See, that's where you're wrong. They messed with drop rates and all that stuff purely to incentivise real money buying, since blizzard takes a 30% cut.
Also, something else I'd like to point out, sales=/= good game. By that logic Alien colonial marines is a great game since it sold over a million copies.
A better way to look at it is concurrent users. Now, let's take a look at Diablo 3, sold, 6mil+. Concurrent users? less then 300k. That's a 95% drop in less then a year.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 17:34:28
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Soladrin wrote:See, that's where you're wrong. They messed with drop rates and all that stuff purely to incentivise real money buying, since blizzard takes a 30% cut.
Unless you already know that fact and plan on using the real money service, you would never know in game. We played through the game and never once thought 'gosh I feel like the game doesn't give us enough money'.
Soladrin wrote:Also, something else I'd like to point out, sales=/= good game. By that logic Alien colonial marines is a great game since it sold over a million copies.
If you feel like pointing out something blindingly obvious I guess then I have to point out something equally obvious: that argument was never made. Your argument was that it was terrible and no one liked it, but the critics and consumers have shown, through raw numbers, that that really isn't the case. I wasn't saying it was a good game because of numbers, I was saying your argument was weak and didn't stand up to even cursory scrutiny. Aliens also sold those copies at launched then crashed as word got out. That isn't the pattern with Diablo III.
Soladrin wrote:A better way to look at it is concurrent users. Now, let's take a look at Diablo 3, sold, 6mil+. Concurrent users? less then 300k. That's a 95% drop in less then a year.
Online numbers don't work that way. The number of games sold is not the same as number of people online at any given users. 300k people on at any given time doesn't mean that only 300k people play it in a day. People log in and out all the time.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 17:37:18
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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No, but concurrent users does.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/21 17:57:15
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Concurrent would mean the number of users at a given time, not total number of players logged in during a day.
The example given at wiki:
If a company employs 400 system users in which 275 work during the day and 125 work at night, then they can opt to purchase only 275 concurrent user licenses since there will never be more than 275 users on the system during a normal work day. The day workers and the night workers share the available licenses to use the system.
Using this example, you are saying that the company only has 275 employees because it only has 275 licenses, when in reality it has 400. 300k accounts logged at a given time doesn't mean that that only 300k people log in to the game each day.
Still, 300k seems a bit high for a free to play, non MMO, and would have thought it lower to be honest. While I never ran into, I know that issues regarding the 'always online' annoyed people, trouble logging in and server downtime, and I can't blame them really.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/22 21:34:19
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Horrific Howling Banshee
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Wow, my childhood dream since diablo 1 for ps1 coming true!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/22 22:35:04
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Well, in my opinion, touting a game I didn't really enjoy when it was released around nine months ago, that has served as an example of tighter publisher control over gamer experience and transparent greed, as the future of gaming was kind of a poor call. Automatically Appended Next Post: I kind of figure "YES" and touting Diablo III at this meeting was a signal, along with the share button, that this is where Sony will take the next generation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/22 23:46:33
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Manchu wrote:I kind of figure "YES" and touting Diablo III at this meeting was a signal, along with the share button, that this is where Sony will take the next generation.
Apparently not http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/forums/showthread.php?9795-Diablo-3-on-PS3-PS4-is-Going-to-Have-Offline-Play
Blizzard really like burning their bridges don't they.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/23 00:25:17
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Perfect Shot Dark Angels Predator Pilot
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God-awful sequel to what was my favourite franchise on PC. I played Diablo 2 for 12 years. I still break it out when I am bored. Before D3 was released I ran a few characters right through to the end of LOD just for kicks and to get excited. Diablo 3 was a boring gear grind with no payoff, no feeling of reward and no end game and a HORRIBLE story that you have to repeat EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU PLAY. I mean, I know D2 wasn't the greatest story of all time... but to kill off Cain in the first act via some stupid new character who then gets her butt handed to her one act later was just... it was an insult to the fan base. I geared my Barb soley by grinding until Act III inferno and it was just maddness. I wanted to be having fun but instead it was just farm an inventory full of Yellows, spend half an hour ID'ing for 1 ilvl63 that was worthless anyway, rinse, repeat. Huge amount of hours invested for 3 legendaries and no set items.... Argh! At least in D2 you'd regularly find cool stuff that you could use, even if it wasn't top tier gear. In D3 NOTHING is usable in any way except the best of the best equipment which you can grind for months without seeing (or just buy off the RMAH, but that's a whole different story of evil) and even the top end gear doesn't make you feel like a badass... just like you finally found something to grind harder with... /sigh. They took everything that was good about the game and condensed it down into a kiddy sized packet, slapped on some gore and called it a day. Console version? No thank you Blizzard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/28 16:38:23
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Had a friend in the beta for D3 and when he described the changes my only thought was "it will be on console". This sort of bears that out, and lets me take Blizzard off the list of "designers who still code for PC".
All that said, I played and beat D3 and had a reasonable amount of fun doing so. Not as much as DII but enh. Dont feel like I wasted money. Have no intention of buying or playing it again though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/28 16:57:20
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Anyone remember people complaining about D3 suffering from consoleritis?
Well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/28 22:01:44
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
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Ahtman wrote: Soladrin wrote:See, that's where you're wrong. They messed with drop rates and all that stuff purely to incentivise real money buying, since blizzard takes a 30% cut.
Unless you already know that fact and plan on using the real money service, you would never know in game. We played through the game and never once thought 'gosh I feel like the game doesn't give us enough money'.
I knew it. It became literally impossible for my Witch Doctor to progress at the end of Hell mode on my own. Simply put, the game would not drop appropriate equipment to take on the challenges in place. I could not actually hurt enemy mobs in a remotely meaningful way without having to get equipment from other players. It became easily apparent at that point that the entire game was designed in such a way solely to encourage the use of its RMAH. At that point, it wasn't long before I couldn't stand to play the game any further.
The entire game wreaks of bad design decisions made solely for the purpose of monetization.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/28 22:30:07
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Perhaps I just didn't get far enough into it to see it, and if so I am willing to cop to not having the same experience as others that farm it or play for 12 years. I just played through it once and dabbled in multiplayer with friends so it never got to that point. That is how I played Diablo and Diablo II as well. I never got much out of doing it all over and over.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/28 22:33:35
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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The entire game wreaks of bad design decisions made solely for the purpose of monetization.
Quoted for truth. D3 takes farming for items to an entirely new level. One so absurd that in the higher difficulties no one with a life has the time to get the items they need to play the game without resorting to ridiculous amounts of time to farm or getting the items from other sources (RMAH).
But of course, the PC has to be always online to ensure the integrity of RMAH, but the PS3/4 doesn't, even though the PS4 under the hood is a PC, and the PS3 might as well be as far as the OS is concerned. I hate you Acti-Blizz, I hate you so much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/01 01:12:30
Subject: Diablo III to PS3/PS4
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Interesting stuff here. I had heard about the RMAH stuff from some people, basically it amounts to <<minimum wage for neckbeards with no life who choose to earn cash that way.
But still, if that's the state of the game I'll be glad to steer well clear of it.>
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