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Have to agree with the majority - the split would not be a good way to go.

Seems like you'd lose out on the "I want the models, why not get the rules as well" sales and the the "I'm looking for some new rules...hey these models are pretty cool" sales.

On the other hand your first KS has a low goal and could result in your core KS having more wow to it, and getting more backers as a result.

I can't wait for some more info on this, the renders and sketches we've got so far look great, I'm really looking forward to more!

I'm with Theophony on this one. If you have to drop the quads originally, then so be it. I've always been a fan of more, if smaller, mechs.

Who knows, you might be so successful that you get more money rolled into one KS rather than 2.

Couldn't you use your B&W artwork? Let's compare to GW who now offer us full colour codex for a whopping 25$ more per codex... I'd have gladly remained with B&W imagery. Cell shading?

I only tossed the half scale miniature out the was to offer something physical with the KS concept. It'd only be one and not the whole range. In order to test the proportions and detail level I need to get one made and it's much cost effective to have it done at a small scale vs printing a full sized one. If there's mistakes on a full sized model or resolution issues it gets very expensive to print a second one, hence a small test piece. Since i'm having it done anyways I thought I could make a limited run of casts for it.

I can have both elements in a single kickstarter but it requires a larger goal to aim for and also more lead time for the developement end. Continuing to fund stuff in advance by myself significantly slows the process down and hopefully my artist will continue remain available at a future date. I figured people might want a tangible ruleset in hand quicker and stuff to proxy test with but it sounds like most everyone is disliking the idea of funding the art & rules seperately and wants everythinga s one combined release. Still do-able but i may have to revise my time table a bit.

 paulson games wrote:
Plus an extra special Blackfrost preview, a homage to one of my all time favorite mechs

Just so I know my Mechfu is not weakened after all this time - that's a not-Vulture isn't it?

Because that looks fething ace.

Maybe one Kickstarter but with a bit longer on the delivery date?

That seems to be an OK and accepted thing nowadays.

Better a realistic goal a ways further out than an unrealistic one than means you're always late and so on?

 -Loki- wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
Plus an extra special Blackfrost preview, a homage to one of my all time favorite mechs

Just so I know my Mechfu is not weakened after all this time - that's a not-Vulture isn't it?

Because that looks fething ace.

Looks more like a Not-Metal-Gear to me.

 Ovion wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
Plus an extra special Blackfrost preview, a homage to one of my all time favorite mechs

Just so I know my Mechfu is not weakened after all this time - that's a not-Vulture isn't it?

Because that looks fething ace.

Looks more like a Not-Metal-Gear to me.

I got the feeling of a Daishi Widowmaker. But the weapon arms remind me a bit more of a Vulture, indeed.

The NeoBloc design is, once again, very aesthetically pleasing. That's 6 out of 6 NeoBloc mechs that I wouldn't hesitate to buy. As for the Blackfrost mech... I was hoping beyond hope that one of the factions would be inspired by Metal Gear REX in some way. Words cannot express how awesome that thing is.

 Ovion wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
Plus an extra special Blackfrost preview, a homage to one of my all time favorite mechs

Spoiler:

Just so I know my Mechfu is not weakened after all this time - that's a not-Vulture isn't it?

Because that looks fething ace.

Looks more like a Not-Metal-Gear to me.

You're right, it looks a lot like Rex, though the smaller arms, like Mathieu said, remind me a lot more of a Vulture.

I was thinking Mechwarrior rather than Metal Gear.

Looks like your artist is channeling a few sources with that one; my first thought was a Mammoth Gear from Heavy Gear.
Not to say it doesn't look awesome.

As for the twin KS idea, I appreciate the problem you have, ie you need money to continue, but don't want to launch a project without something tangible to show for it. I think your best bet will be to make it clear that you have a lengthy lead time. Hell, Zombicide won't be shipping till Sept and they get my money at the start of April.

Relic Knights had a 9 month lead time

Kingdom Death had 10 (almost 11)

so folk are prepared to wait for the good stuff

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Relic Knights had a 9 month lead time

Kingdom Death had 10 (almost 11)

so folk are prepared to wait for the good stuff

That's where I was coming from too!

I think a 'combined' KS would work well - just give yourself enough time to get everything designed, made up, produced and delivered!

 Vertrucio wrote:
Paul,

From one creator to another.

No one is going to steal your concept art. Just put your logo and copyright (and website) above and below so that news websites can use your pretty pictures to help advertise the game for you, without the distraction.

It also means the name of the game, your studio name, and the website link will also be much more readable.

Besides, there's nothing to steal since you're already aping the look of Mechwarrior Online's mechs, which is a good thing in my opinion.

Paulson's probably a little gunshy from his experience with GW. It always seemed to me that he got spooked pretty good and swallowed a lot of GW's BS.

The mechs look pretty damn awesome though, but I'll have to reserve final judgment until I see casts. In my understanding pieces like that can present some challenges. That said, Paulson's products have generally looked pretty good.

weeble1000 wrote:
Paulson's probably a little gunshy from his experience with GW.

It has absolutely nothing to do with that, I don't feel like leting a bunch of kids on deviant art or wherever else start using the images freely when I paid to have them created.

Also please direct any comments about the CHS lawsuit to the proper thread, it has no place in discussions of my new project.


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I get a tomahawk feel off of it. Sure the legs are articulated differently, but if you put the radar array on top it would look like a fatter version of it. Kind of how I look like a fatter version of a good looking guy.

 paulson games wrote:
I've already been in contact with Mark, he's a very nice and helpful guy. Gave me some really good insights on how to approach this and some leads to check on for production.

Thats great to hear. Mark is a top notch digital designer, and great when responding to customer feedback. Following his lead can only help you. Im liking a lot of what Im seeing about your game, and will be keeping an eye on it for sure. I was so excited when the clix scale Battletech stuff was new, yet so disappointed by the execution. If you can make a good game with mechs around the same size...Ill be all over it.

I get a bit of Gear Kreig feel from some of your concepts...and thats not a bad thing IMO.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
Plus an extra special Blackfrost preview, a homage to one of my all time favorite mechs

Just so I know my Mechfu is not weakened after all this time - that's a not-Vulture isn't it?

Because that looks fething ace.

Looks more like a Not-Metal-Gear to me.

I got the feeling of a Daishi Widowmaker. But the weapon arms remind me a bit more of a Vulture, indeed.

See, I looked at that and thought "modernized MadCat."

Justyn wrote:
On topic, cool looking mechs, 15mm is a turn off though. I play 6mm and 28mm and have no interest in starting another scale. But maybe the figs will be good for 'counts as' in something else.

This. This figs look great, but I have no interest in starting 15mm scale. But as the scale pic shows, if there as big as warjacks I may give them a go.

 paulson games wrote:
I'm aiming to keep the heavy mech in the $30-$35 range if possible. Light mechs will probably be in the $20-$25 range.

I'm going to try and keep the price on my quads down as I don't want anything quite that high in price. But i won't have a firm price on those until I have a physical model to calculate volumes from. Unless you are planning on an insanely huge battle a player wouldn't need more than one quad, at skirmish level they are pretty much your entire force save for maybe 1-2 light scout mechs.

Prices right now are just a guess-timate until I have the final printing costs back and I know exactly how much resin and silicone I'm using.
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Paulson, ever thought about making a 28mm version and pricing it out, just to satisfy the 28mm fans?

Theophony wrote:
I too would say skip the half scale items. Just give you the good stuff. I know my next statement may have some backlash, but here goes... Why don't you hold off on the quads until ou reach a higher ks goal. That would allow you to get more o the smaller mechs out and people to get used to the combat system, then can add the quads later for the really big conflicts. I'd love to see the big dogs get out there, but if you get a good base system going then expand with the larger models, and additional factions then I think you might get further.

This might be the way to go; start with skirmish-y mechs and move up to the big stuff with later release waves.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

15mm has always felt like it would be a great scale for space conscious urbanites, such as myself.

If I can fit all of the terrain in a single Rubbermaid tub, that would be ideal. Besides, it seems to be rather up-and-coming in popularity.

Now that you say it, it does have the basic shape of a mad-cat, but heavily updated. I could definitely let go of the huge box launchers on the shoulders of the original version.

15mm is the perfect scale for large vehicle combat. It is also very well supported without having a central company that all 15mm miniatures and prices are compared against.

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
Plus an extra special Blackfrost preview, a homage to one of my all time favorite mechs

Just so I know my Mechfu is not weakened after all this time - that's a not-Vulture isn't it?

Because that looks fething ace.

Looks more like a Not-Metal-Gear to me.

I got the feeling of a Daishi Widowmaker. But the weapon arms remind me a bit more of a Vulture, indeed.

See, I looked at that and thought "modernized MadCat."

I thought that originally, but the cockpit, arms and shoulders are much, much more reminiscent of a Vulture. The Madcats cockpit and arms in particular are completely different.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
Plus an extra special Blackfrost preview, a homage to one of my all time favorite mechs

Just so I know my Mechfu is not weakened after all this time - that's a not-Vulture isn't it?

Because that looks fething ace.

Looks more like a Not-Metal-Gear to me.

I got the feeling of a Daishi Widowmaker. But the weapon arms remind me a bit more of a Vulture, indeed.

See, I looked at that and thought "modernized MadCat."

I thought that originally, but the cockpit, arms and shoulders are much, much more reminiscent of a Vulture. The Madcats cockpit and arms in particular are completely different.

Not to mention the chin turret like the MW4 Vulture.

Will the real Slim Shady, please stand up? Paulson, come on, tell us before we tear each other to pieces!

... I've been really good so far, but please for the sake of my sanity...

They're called the Timber Wolf and Mad Dog you surat stravags!

They're called "targets" when I shoot them with my normal PPCs.
Vat-scum.

Given Paulson's design method (3d print to resin cast) it's perfectly reasonable to assume a 28mm scale version of all of these is doable. Wouldn't be cheap though, you're talking FW Titan levels of expense.

winterdyne wrote:
Given Paulson's design method (3d print to resin cast) it's perfectly reasonable to assume a 28mm scale version of all of these is doable. Wouldn't be cheap though, you're talking FW Titan levels of expense.

Not if he talks to mark and wgf then we could have mechs and leviathans in 28mm plastic goodness. But I guess seeing how well the game sells and progresses could make the plastic ones later or as a subsidiary.

I'm all for 15mm for a mech game. And I've got Dreamforge already to fill my 28mm needs