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katfude wrote:
Switching to 6mm and kickstarting... how much faster does that get you to full scale mech murder versus 15mm? After the pics you posted of that 6mm I'm pretty well sold on switching to 6mm and never looking back.

There's not much of a difference time-wise between working in the two different scales. Currently what has been a major strain on getting things out in a timely fashion has been the shoestring budget as it limits me to working on the game part-time (and doing all the casting work myself). If the KS covers the budget concerns and I'm able to focus on it full time I estimate I can have the remainder of the line finished and shipped out within 6-7 months.


Not working with them was a major blessing, as I would have been in a tar pit with no escape and it gave me the opportunity to work on my own project which has been one of the most personally rewarding things I've done in my life as it allows me to be creative in the manner I wish without needing to shackle my energies to people who have no experience in the industry.

 RiTides wrote:
Not sure about the smaller gun, but that first pic (railguns??) I really love

That one is my favorite, too. I would love to buy it in 6mm scale.

Uh, maybe I'm blind but I don't see the shipping section on your site. What are the shipping charges like?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
Not sure about the smaller gun, but that first pic (railguns??) I really love

That one is my favorite, too. I would love to buy it in 6mm scale.

Uh, maybe I'm blind but I don't see the shipping section on your site. What are the shipping charges like?

$4 of US, $6 for Canada/Mexico $10 to rest of the world. It's a flat rate so there's no extra charge if you purchase multiple models.

So if you're in the US and buy 3 models the shipping is only $4 for the entire order.

I'll need to put up a shipping page, I'd added the info into the shopping cart system but in transferring things over from the Paulson Games site forgot to have it listed on the site, oops. Thanks for the catch.

You're welcome.

So, when are you expecting to have the railgun version in 6mm up on your site?

It'll be available as part of the KS which should be around the beginning of next month.

Extensive 6mm range? Awesome! Where can I find more background info?

Really makes me contemplate getting into some hard scifi 6mm scaled terrain again!

If you're getting the KS going that soon, it makes it that much easier to not drop $100 on that ugly ass 40k void shield generator.

Must avoid temptation to empty monthly budget before KS launch...

/plastic crack fiend

Hey paulson, I sent you a PM when you get the chance (no worries if it doesn't work out but just wanted to be sure you saw it)

Updated pics with other models for scale.

Hmm.

With the shrunk light next to the 15mm dude, I could see that being a Drone and then the Medium/Heavy walkers actually being piloted.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking... I actually think what you're calling the "6mm" height is super attractive, but the "6mm" descriptor is not . Mechadrome's models are basically that exact same height, or maybe a little smaller, and labeled as 15mm... and Dropzone Commander's stuff which is labelled as 10mm is wayyyy smaller.

I think it comes down to interpretation of scale and the technology base for the mechs/robots. The mechadome stuff to me seems more like a suit of powered armor then a true mech, but that's based on my view of mechs being stuff like battletech size or gundam sized and are very big. For newer generations of anime fans they may like smaller more compact designs.

Classic example is the Macross series mechs in Robotech vs the later Cyclones in Mospeada one is a 50 ft tall stompy robot the other is only 8 ft yet according to the rpg materials delivers more fire power and is roughly as tough. It doesn't make much sense to me but it's not like kids cartoons need to.


6mm is the standard term for large array of historicals and micro armor games, both Battletech and Robotech are in that scale so I'm not sure why anyone would be freaked out by that term for scale as it's been around as long as 28mm (if not longer). It likely comes down to the fact that this is primarily a GW based forums who tend to have blinders on when it comes to other systems and scales. I've also had people completely puzzled about 15mm like it was some completely new invention. ::shrug::


I could easily call it "Epic" scale and everyone would likely make that connection due to their GW familiarity, but I won't because GW is a bunch of legal douche nozzles and believes they created everything miniatures related (including common scales)

Oh man, maybe not officially, but just calling it "Epic scale" on a forum like this would be a really good idea, imo!

Speaking of this- now that both scales are being offered, I would be interested in selling my 15mm mechs (3 Raptors with ALL weapon options for each, and 2 Lynx) here and putting the money right back into paulson's hands for his 6mm mechs.

If you're interested in a good deal there, please PM me for pics and details!

I'd call it "fun scale" myself. Although I will be using the 6mm walkers as 28mm enforcement droids or something like that.

 RiTides wrote:
Oh man, maybe not officially, but just calling it "Epic scale" on a forum like this would be a really good idea, imo!

Speaking of this- now that both scales are being offered, I would be interested in selling my 15mm mechs (3 Raptors with ALL weapon options for each, and 2 Lynx) here and putting the money right back into paulson's hands for his 6mm mechs.

If you're interested in a good deal there, please PM me for pics and details!

How good a deal are we talking here? Are you open to trading?

28mm droids is a good idea . My 15mm ones are already pending, though- sorry about that.

I've actually wanted to do a similar droid idea for awhile, it really opens up the possibilities when you consider models intended for other scales, but that happen to be the right size!

I stumbled across this KS, looking for 6mm resources in anticipation of the change in scale. It might be worth a look, especially for those in North America.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/920034824/wasteland-game-studio-6mm-scale-wargame-buildings

Mecha Front Monday News:

All of the 6mm Lynx pre-orders have shipped.

I've also sent the master model out for metal spincasting and should have some test casts in about 2-3 weeks. I'm thinking I'm going to hold the launch of the KS until those come in that way I have a finished model to show to new backers.

I know what my personal standards are and I think most of my current customers know what to expect from my models, but I'd prefer to have at least one model complete in order to demonstrate the product they can look forwards to. Too many KS projects offer just renders or concept art which leaves a lot of doubt as to their ability to deliver on those products.

I want people to see what I'm going to actually deliver, rather than show some flashy renders and wave jazz hands... ::robotech::

The current plan for the KS is that I'll do 4 initial mechs, the Raptor, Goshawk, Lynx, and Osprey. I'll offer one variant for each initially and once the initial goal is hit I can add on stretch goals for additional variants as well as introduce more mecha.

I'll be aiming for about a 5-6 month delivery target for the lights and mediums, if they all fund and I'm able to add on the heavies and quads it'll like take that out to a 8-12 month target.

The other option would be to do a KS for just the lights and mediums as one group, then split the heavies and quads into a second KS. If I go that route I may be able to deliver on the first group of models as quickly as 3-4 months since most of those designs are already complete.

Or just do a two wave approach, as lots of campaigns do, if it did well enough to warrant it.

What drives the 6 month lead time on the mediums and lights, since they're already sculpted? I would've thought the lead time would be half that for metal casts, but I must be missing something obvious...

I'm trying to avoid two waves as it's a killer on overseas shipping. It's not so bad when you have packages that ship for under $5 in the US but when that same package costs $25 to send to Europe it gets expensive really fast, two packages would be the better part of $50 for shipping it means I have to sell a lot more minis or charge an insane amount to non US addresses and risk having them think I'm trying to shaft them when all I'd be doing is charging as close to actual postage as possible. Over seas shipping of metal models is ugh.


I'm estimating with bit of wiggle room on delivery times. Actual production times on metal is pretty quick but it needs to fit into my casters schedule and between now and Adepticon he's incredibly busy. Even if I gave him the go ahead today on the Lynx the soonest I'd have production copies being made would be in two months. They could cast them all in a week or two but then I have to wait on delivery before I sort out all the parts and pack them etc. Dealing with multiple models increases that workload. I could probably get a couple light mechs together and done in a 3-4 month timeframe, but as we've all seen KS projects tend to hit all sorts of delays. I'd rather estimate with a longer window and deliver early then estimate too short and run past that date.

(I also need to have prints made which depending on the printer's schedule can sometimes take a month to get in hand before I can turn around and send them to the caster)

 paulson games wrote:
I'm trying to avoid two waves as it's a killer on overseas shipping. It's not so bad when you have packages that ship for under $5 in the US but when that same package costs $25 to send to Europe it gets expensive really fast, two packages would be the better part of $50 for shipping it means I have to sell a lot more minis or charge an insane amount to non US addresses and risk having them think I'm trying to shaft them when all I'd be doing is charging as close to actual postage as possible. Over seas shipping of metal models is ugh.

I can't speak for anyone else, but as a non-US resident, I have come to accept paying more for postage. Usually, even outrageous shipping costs from the US don't exceed Japan prices, so I can live with it.

It's definitely good to leave wiggle room on the delivery times, I'm just thinking that being able to offer more than 1 light and 1 medium for 2 factions would be good (or at least, being ready to in the event that it makes sense).

It's a tough call for me whether just being more conservative, or going for the whole thing would be better... I just feel like 2 unit types and 2 factions isn't enough. Obviously, I'd love for the quads to be made... but even if it's just the heavies, that might help add some variation to appearance and gameplay.

Just some thoughts

 RiTides wrote:
It's definitely good to leave wiggle room on the delivery times, I'm just thinking that being able to offer more than 1 light and 1 medium for 2 factions would be good (or at least, being ready to in the event that it makes sense).

It's a tough call for me whether just being more conservative, or going for the whole thing would be better... I just feel like 2 unit types and 2 factions isn't enough. Obviously, I'd love for the quads to be made... but even if it's just the heavies, that might help add some variation to appearance and gameplay.

Just some thoughts

In the same way that every tank in 40K is based on identical chassis (i.e. Rhino, Chimera, Falcon), Mecha Front mecha are all the same, just with different weapons. I, for one, am OK with that.

If I release the basic lights and mediums that a total of 4 mech chassis, each will have 3 variants that's a total of 12 models to work with in the basic miniatures pool and that doesn't include any of the blackfrost mechs or the scout chassis models I have in reserve. It would expand that to about 20 models.


If I tally up all the various chassis and variants of lights thru quads the line will have between 40-50 separate models, that's a lot of stuff for a basic line. Most of the chassis can actually support up to about 5-6 different unique weapon load outs, I won't model all of them at this time as it will get kind of crazy on set up costs but there's potential for a lot of different sku units. I'll expand as quickly as I'm able .

40-50 variants would definitely be good as an eventual goal (not including if the game does well a possible additional faction *wink*), but I think about 12 variants from the get-go would be a good start to pitch the game and show off the pretty models. Of course, a quick bump-up to 20 models would help keep the buzz up after initial release (like post-kickstarter).

I want to pick up the rules and possible jump into your eventual kickstarter. My mecha itch needs to be scratched (especially after Robotech dropped the ball hard), and your models look beautiful so far.

I'm really waiting for the black frost :-/
They're the ones that really appeal to me concept art wise.

Any news on the rules? Is there a way to download them without signing up and paying a fee yet?

Vertrucio: shooting you a PM.




I'm planning on attending Adepticon next week and if I can secure a table I'll be doing Mecha Front demos likely on Fri & Sat afternoon. People participating in the demo's will get free stuff.

I'll also be hanging out there a bit so if you are attending and would like to meet up and chat feel free to shoot me a message or track me down in the demo area.

(I think it's over towards the vendor hall but not sure)

I'd say look for the overweight guy with glasses, but that's not going to be much help. I'll likely be the only guy there with Mecha Front models and I'm going to see if I can get some sort of t-shirt made that says Mecha Front on it so that I'm a bit more visible.

I'd also like to get some people together for dinner likely on Friday evening after the dealer hall closes (7:30ish?). You can't come to the Chicago area without hitting Giordano's for some of their stuffed pizza. So if you want to meet up for some great food I've got $100 towards buying.

(You're on your own for drinks) Watch this spot or the FB page for info.

I will buy several in 6mm right now!!! Fire this up. ASAP


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I'll be at acon and will play for sure!

If you're worried about visibility, you should consider a nice orange or pink shirt.

Just sayin'...

I'll repeat myself, even if you have to charge premium prices, you could offer the 15mm models as a "last chance to grab them" in resin. Am I right in assuming there haven't been over 150 made of each model? The rarity might be something some people go for.

Blackfrost medium would be cool as hell. I think you're being extremely smart in hedging your bet with the estimated delivery time. Better to surprise everyone and come out on time, or a bit early, rather than pull a Defiance, or a Robotech.

That's it! Once I have a real job, I'm going on a gaming road trip. I can't stand knowing you're all on average less than 24 hours drive away!

Can't wait until you do these.