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My standard Nob build with the advent of 6 and called shots has changed from PK Slugga to PK Big Shoota. It has paid off in dividends sniping out flamers, and heavy weapons from across the table while I advance. 18 potential called shots per turn is nice. I have done the same with my Mekboyz.

To be honest, I just glued Killa Kan Rokkits to the backs of my Slugga PK Nobz for 5th edition whereas in 6th I'm making 1 new BS PK Boyz Nob. According to WYSIWYG, it has to have whatever wargear modeled but same nothing about having extra things. So your best bet is to have a BS in hand, a Rokkit glued on his back, and a Slugga on his hip. Then you'd be 100% legit and ready for anything (the current codex allows).

man if i did that i would have so many issues remembering what squad was what lol.

I dont have any stormboyz or kommandos (yet) and i used both last game as just slugga-choppa boyz. I kept getting them mixed up lol (Stormboyz w/ zagstruk for the deepstrike vehicle instagib, small kommandos + snikrot for the meganob boss behind enemy lines).

I only have 1 nob modeled with a bigshoota as of right now, but ive been running them all as they have it (we proxy a lot anyway). Personally its been more of i have a few more shots since the nob isnt totally worthless in shooting phase now, i havnt had any precision shots available when i actually wanted it.

Have I missed something? When did nobz get to start using big shootaz?

 PipeAlley wrote:
To be honest, I just glued Killa Kan Rokkits to the backs of my Slugga PK Nobz for 5th edition whereas in 6th I'm making 1 new BS PK Boyz Nob. According to WYSIWYG, it has to have whatever wargear modeled but same nothing about having extra things. So your best bet is to have a BS in hand, a Rokkit glued on his back, and a Slugga on his hip. Then you'd be 100% legit and ready for anything (the current codex allows).

If I look at your Nob and see a Rokkit Launcher, but am told that is isn't really carrying one......then I am not Getting What I See, am I?


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 rubicant99 wrote:
Have I missed something? When did nobz get to start using big shootaz?

Since the Ork Codex was last released...

Steelmage99 wrote:

 PipeAlley wrote:
To be honest, I just glued Killa Kan Rokkits to the backs of my Slugga PK Nobz for 5th edition whereas in 6th I'm making 1 new BS PK Boyz Nob. According to WYSIWYG, it has to have whatever wargear modeled but same nothing about having extra things. So your best bet is to have a BS in hand, a Rokkit glued on his back, and a Slugga on his hip. Then you'd be 100% legit and ready for anything (the current codex allows).

If I look at your Nob and see a Rokkit Launcher, but am told that is isn't really carrying one......then I am not Getting What I See, am I?


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 rubicant99 wrote:
Have I missed something? When did nobz get to start using big shootaz?

Since the Ork Codex was last released...

Since the first time a bigger ork discovered they can krump a smaller ork and take their stuff.

I been running my Nob with big shootas even before 6th. But what are you talking about Mekboyz? They are not characters are they? or are you refering to Big Meks?

Steelmage99 wrote:

 PipeAlley wrote:
To be honest, I just glued Killa Kan Rokkits to the backs of my Slugga PK Nobz for 5th edition whereas in 6th I'm making 1 new BS PK Boyz Nob. According to WYSIWYG, it has to have whatever wargear modeled but same nothing about having extra things. So your best bet is to have a BS in hand, a Rokkit glued on his back, and a Slugga on his hip. Then you'd be 100% legit and ready for anything (the current codex allows).

If I look at your Nob and see a Rokkit Launcher, but am told that is isn't really carrying one......then I am not Getting What I See, am I?

Not at all, the rule simply states that models need to have the items you paid for, they don't state that you can't have extra wargear added, which you haven't paid for and are not intending to use.

Thus if we put grenades on all our models, but never pay the points to use them AND never use them, that is legal.

I am pretty sure that the Nob in a boyz squad cannot take a big shoota. They can only take Big Choppas and a Power klaw. None of the options allows you to replace your slugga

It works like this

For every ten Orks in the mob, one Ork may exchange his slugga OR shoota for:
- Big Shoota

Then it says

One Boy may be upgraded to Nob (nothing prevents you from upgrading the Big Shoota ork into a Nob)

Then

He may replace his choppa with one of the following:
Big Choppa
Power Klaw

Than you replace all your slugga and shootas in the squad with shootas (since the Nob has none of these he's unaffected)

I am pretty sure it doesn't work like that...

your making a rule out of something that isn't there in the first place.

Hazard30 wrote:
I am pretty sure it doesn't work like that...

your making a rule out of something that isn't there in the first place.

No he really isn't - what General_Chaos has said is correct. There isn't anything in the rules or the codex that disallows you to upgrade a big shoota Boy into a Nob since the Boy is still an Ork. And the rule states you can upgrades one Ork to a Nob. Not slugga/shoota boy - Ork. That's the key bit.


OT: I've tried to do it since my Nob leaders aren't fully assembled yet and I'm nto getting much luck, not temptation if I'm honest. Though having a shoota/big shoota would be nice... perhaps those bolters I have lying about would work

theres 4 big reasons why its perfectly legal, Hazard30

1) For every 10 Boyz, one ORK may exchange his slugga or shoota for a bigshoota. Note, ORK not BOY

2) There is a FAQ basically saying the upgrade to Shoota boyz isnt the first thing you do, which leads to the idea no upgrade is in any particular order. The only reason a Painboy cant get a pklaw or anything is because when upgrading to a Painboy he exchanges his weapons he needs to exchange for the Pklaw - the Nob in boyz groups doesnt exchange anything, he just becomes a nob. This is literally the only thing in our codex with this power because everything else either the normal models in the unit doesnt even have optional upgrades or they exchange something you normally replace for said upgrade. Technically you can put a bosspole/waaagh on a painboy, though not sure why you would want to (i prefer to NOT make him a big target lol)

3) There is a model in the Ork codex on the last page showing example models (literally on the page to the left of all the special rules and weapon effects in the ork codex, forget page number) that has a Bigshoota on the same ork with a Pklaw - boyz cant have a pklaw, Elite Nobz cannot have a Bigshoota - so where did it come from? Boyz squad.

4) GW website actually SELLS a Nob with a bighsoota/pklaw. Its legal to upgrade it as such if theres a specific model for it.

Also not sure why its such a big deal anyway. Yea, 3 possible precision shots at str5 ap5....big deal lol like i said before i more care about getting rid of that useless damn slugga than anything else.

If a Boyz mob exchange sluggas and choppas
with shootas, can a Nob take a power klaw or a
big choppa?
A. You may upgrade the Nob to have a big
choppa or power klaw before you choose to
upgrade the mob to have shootas, in which case
the Nob is not affected by the mob’s weapon
swap (as he no longer has a choppa to swap),
does not receive a shoota and keeps his slugga
and power klaw/big choppa instead. He is a lot
happier that way!

I think it's this context being extended. It has also been preached around here for a while. Other squad leaders are given extra equipment when they are upgraded. The nob just gets a new stat line.

dang I never thought of doing this before, but I may need to do this now. that's it, every one of my boyz nobz is getting a big shoota and a PK now!

 yeri wrote:
dang I never thought of doing this before, but I may need to do this now. that's it, every one of my boyz nobz is getting a big shoota and a PK now!

Hell yes!!!

Mekboyz in burna and loota squads are characters and may take KMB, BS, or RL.

Orks have some very effective called shot shooting ability.

Wow good spot on the Nob big shoota guys, will have to give it a try!
I'd pondered giving meks in loota squads big shootaz for the precision shots, but when you consider lootaz are most likely shooting transports or MCs, and that the big shoota is underwhelming, is it really worth losing those extra deffgun shots?

not so much with the loota's but with burnas they are great, because they extend the death range of the multiple overlapping flamers to 36 inches as well as giving precision shots.


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also put 12 burnas, 3 meks, and 1 big mek with kff in a battlewagon with deff rolla for some strait up win.

tgf wrote:
not so much with the loota's but with burnas they are great, because they extend the death range of the multiple overlapping flamers to 36 inches as well as giving precision shots.


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also put 12 burnas, 3 meks, and 1 big mek with kff in a battlewagon with deff rolla for some strait up win.

Sorry to derail, but how do you deal with manticores tgf? I ran into one and it dismantled my 3 BW list in short order.

I only run one battlewagon. Manticores are great against a BW or almost any vehicle multiple S10 templates per round. Heck a manticore is the perfect choice against orks, but you should have lots of other stuff in your army that is threatening. With a KFF for each chance he has to kill your BW on a pen you have the same chance to save it. I run lootas in my list with a warboss and quad gun behind an aegis. I have run into a manticore a few times, more often then not it kills more points then it costs but the rest my army will carry the day.


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I guess I didn't give you a good answer but then again its a hard question, It out ranges everything in your army and doesn't need LOS. If my opponent sets up first with the manticore I can put my lootas in a position to kill it after taking a nasty first hit. If my opponent is setting up second I spread way out and just try to use up all the space in my deployment zone putting as much space between each model as possible.

tgf wrote:
Mekboyz in burna and loota squads are characters and may take KMB, BS, or RL.

Where are you getting that Mekboyz are characters?

They aren't independant characters, but they are a character, just as a mad doc is in a nobz mob, or a seargent is in a marine squad