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Hell yeah, male sisters of battle. Let's do it.

Equality ftw

If there was enough money in it, GW would make more female 40k figures.
After all
it is a company with investors for making a profit.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

It would be an unrealistic development considering the single most scientifically capable and brilliant human mind in existence was incapable of making it.

Brilliant, but also short sighted and filled with hubris.

That's a very nice strawman you have there, did you dress it up yourself? I really like the hat. Ask anyone who has spoken to me on here exactly how I feel about the overhaul concerning the Necron lore, "okay with it" is not exactly how I felt.

His name is Harold! My point isn't really about your opinion on fluff changes specifically, merely that defending the purity of GW cannon as a whole is a losing battle. There used to be female orks fer cripesake,

Most fans don't want female Space Marines. For the same reason that most don't want female Sisters of Battle.

Not sure if that's true, do you have a source on that one? Actually, aren't most pieces ones that the majority of players have no interest in? That's why we have variable factions after all.

I truly do not care who is on your ignore list, that you believe this warrants as a threat on your part is infinitely amusing.

Hoorah! I'm amusing someone! Ok, I've decided to find your inability to have a polite conversation charming now.

I can't agree with the entirety of Veteran Sergeant's post, but he had this right: If it ain't broke, don't fix it...

Female SM's would be cool, and rule of cool is something WH is supposed to run on. If you don't like it because it doesn't "make sense" you may be playing the wrong game. You have no problem with soccer hooligan mushrooms fighting blue commie fish, but would flip if a female with power armor showed up?

Fluff can be changed. If GW truly wanted to have female Astartes they could just say they had always existed and that would be that. My main problem with female marines is that they would be conceptually too similar to Sisters of Battle. If SoB wouldn't exist, there would be a stronger case for female Astartes, but the do. Granted, GW seems to have pretty much forgotten that Sisters do exist...

 Crimson wrote:
Fluff can be changed. If GW truly wanted to have female Astartes they could just say they had always existed and that would be that. My main problem with female marines is that they would be conceptually too similar to Sisters of Battle. If SoB wouldn't exist, there would be a stronger case for female Astartes, but the do. Granted, GW seems to have pretty much forgotten that Sisters do exist...

It's pretty clear that GW is inflating their profit margin to try and sell their IP. Probably the best thing that could come of this is a 3rd party hard reboot where Sisters actually are simply female marines. (Not to mention modern rules, balanced teams, and in-demand models.)

 Boggy Man wrote:
Probably the best thing that could come of this is a 3rd party hard reboot where Sisters actually are simply female marines.

Please no.

 FinalAnswer wrote:

 Boggy Man wrote:
Probably the best thing that could come of this is a 3rd party hard reboot where Sisters actually are simply female marines.

Please no.

...and the Emperor is still alive and the Imperium are the good guys, and the orks are wacky and don't kill anyone, and the eldar are kind and wise, and their will be a Saturday morning show where Lady Gaga voices Slaanesh.

See, there are worse things....

 Boggy Man wrote:

 FinalAnswer wrote:

 Boggy Man wrote:
Probably the best thing that could come of this is a 3rd party hard reboot where Sisters actually are simply female marines.

Please no.

...and the Emperor is still alive and the Imperium are the good guys, and the orks are wacky and don't kill anyone, and the eldar are kind and wise, and their will be a Saturday morning show where Lady Gaga voices Slaanesh.

See, there are worse things....

But that in no way whatsoever makes your idea good.

 Boggy Man wrote:

...and the Emperor is still alive and the Imperium are the good guys, and the orks are wacky and don't kill anyone, and the eldar are kind and wise, and their will be a Saturday morning show where Lady Gaga voices Slaanesh.

See, there are worse things....

Lady Gaga would be perfect Slaanesh, though.

FinalAnswer wrote:

 Boggy Man wrote:
Probably the best thing that could come of this is a 3rd party hard reboot where Sisters actually are simply female marines.

Please no.

Please yes.

BlaxicanX wrote:Hell yeah, male sisters of battle. Let's do it.

Equality ftw

Brothers of Battle? Sounds suspiciously like Battle-Brother...oh, that's right...Marines are Battle-Brothers.

Redo SoBs as Space Marine Battle-Sisters.

 Amaya wrote:

Please yes.

Why?

What have you got against the Sisters of Battle?

Aside from the fact they are space nuns in boob armor, devoted entirely to a male figure, originally had questionable sex practices within their cult regarding the Emperor, are at best second rate Space Marines, and are only elite fighters because a male god empowers them?

 Crimson wrote:

 Boggy Man wrote:

...and the Emperor is still alive and the Imperium are the good guys, and the orks are wacky and don't kill anyone, and the eldar are kind and wise, and their will be a Saturday morning show where Lady Gaga voices Slaanesh.

See, there are worse things....

Lady Gaga would be perfect Slaanesh, though.

Jack Black as Nurgle
John deLancie as Tzeentch
Andrew W.K as Khorne
Jim Cummings as the Emperor

This could work, I'm calling The Hub tomorrow!

Wait, what was this thread about?

 Amaya wrote:
Aside from the fact they are space nuns in boob armor, devoted entirely to a male figure, originally had questionable sex practices within their cult regarding the Emperor, are at best second rate Space Marines, and are only elite fighters because a male god empowers them?

What makes you think they wouldn't have boob armor if they were Space Marines?

They were corrupted by Vandire, before they killed him, yes, what what's your point?

No, they're the best human force in the Imperium because of their training, top of the line equipment and inhuman willpower.

Why do women have to be shoehorned into the Astartes? To be PC? Are we going to have PC Marines? Should include other demographics that aren't space marines? Feth, if we are going to change things to be more PC we should have it so that the Imperium has galaxy wide anti-sexual harassment laws, welfare, and pro abortion stances.

Is it for "variety"? Space Marines have a gak ton of variety. So much that they make up nearly half of the codices alone. Why do you need to change the fluff for variety when there already is variety?

Is it to have strong female characters? Can't females be strong without genetic enhancements? If we want strong female characters, get them from factions that already have them.

Is it to have eye candy? Females that undergo that much genetic modification aren't all going to be supermodels, let me tell you. Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi daemons are more your speed. Fantasy Battle is really good for that.

Why do people have the urge to insert women into everything? Let them grow on their own, I say, and let the men grow on their own too. Strong female characters shouldn't have to be manually inserted into your story just for the sake of it. We can't solve bad writing with bad writing.

TheCustomLime wrote:
Why do women have to be shoehorned into the Astartes? To be PC? Are we going to have PC Marines? Should include other demographics that aren't space marines? Feth, if we are going to change things to be more PC we should have it so that the Imperium has galaxy wide anti-sexual harassment laws, welfare, and pro abortion stances.

Why do you think it is acceptable for women to not be in the Astartes simply because they are women?

Is it for "variety"? Space Marines have a gak ton of variety. So much that they make up nearly half of the codices alone. Why do you need to change the fluff for variety when there already is variety?

By variety to you mean one sentence summaries of various chapters a literate 8 year old could develop? White Scars are Mongols in Space. Ultramarines are Paladins in Space. Dark Angels are Darker and Edgier Paladins in Space. Blood Angels are Vampires in Space. Space Wolves are Vikings in Space. Man! That is original and deep!

Is it to have strong female characters? Can't females be strong without genetic enhancements? If we want strong female characters, get them from factions that already have them.

Why are you restricting genetic enhancements to males?

Is it to have eye candy? Females that undergo that much genetic modification aren't all going to be supermodels, let me tell you. Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi daemons are more your speed. Fantasy Battle is really good for that.

How did this even make sense in your head?

Why do people have the urge to insert women into everything? Let them grow on their own, I say, and let the men grow on their own too. Strong female characters shouldn't have to be manually inserted into your story just for the sake of it. We can't solve bad writing with bad writing. Why do people have the urge to specifically keep females out of the Space Marines?

Responses in bold.

Even though I said SM and SoB are conceptually rather similar, there are also important differences that I think are worth keeping. Turning SoB into female marines would be a huge disservice to them. One of the things I've always liked about the SoB that they don't have any genetic enhancements. They only have their gear, skill and faith. To me this makes them braver than Space Marines. They need no superstrength, they have faith!

You applaud not using every tool available to you in a state of war?

 Amaya wrote:

FinalAnswer wrote:

 Boggy Man wrote:
Probably the best thing that could come of this is a 3rd party hard reboot where Sisters actually are simply female marines.

Please no.

Please yes.

BlaxicanX wrote:Hell yeah, male sisters of battle. Let's do it.

Equality ftw

Brothers of Battle? Sounds suspiciously like Battle-Brother...oh, that's right...Marines are Battle-Brothers.

Redo SoBs as Space Marine Battle-Sisters.

No, soldiers of battle. If they were "brothers of battle" then women couldn't be it. Don't be dumb.

Soldiers of Battle. Boom. Feminism wins again.

Equality ftw.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Hell yeah, male sisters of battle. Let's do it.

Equality ftw

They already existed in 40k history, the Frateris Templars.

They are no longer a legally recognized authority within the Imperium and any of them that have survived probably are turned to chaos, but they existed.

 Melissia wrote:


They are no longer a legally recognized authority within the Imperium and any of them that have survived probably are turned to chaos, but they existed.

That's cool, I want to play them, where's their codex?

Oh, Right.

Why would you call Space Marines soldiers?

BlaxicanX wrote:
That's cool, I want to play them, where's their codex?

The same place that Lost and the Damned are.

 Amaya wrote:
You applaud not using every tool available to you in a state of war?

It was an observation from narrative perspective. It's like Superman and Batman. Batman would not be cooler if he had Superman's powers, it would ruin the character.

I'm happy there are no female astartes for one very simple reason.



I don't want to play the female version of that. Female badasses? Yes. Fe-men? No thank's, it's not in my interests to play that.

However, I think there is room for female's in the imperial guard army. Or, as called-to-arm's special character psyker's. Or more prevalence in other armies (I loved it when I discovered one of the playable tau commanders was female, you would never know it from the model, it's a battlesuit after all, but it gave me a big smile knowing. Like, a Metroid Samus moment.

They don't need to make female version of other armies. But they could do with finding a way to include them in some armies. Grey knight's did it with inquisitors, but there is only one. There are more orang-utang's than women in grey knight models after all (Literally)

 Crimson wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
You applaud not using every tool available to you in a state of war?

It was an observation from narrative perspective. It's like Superman and Batman. Batman would not be cooler if he had Superman's powers, it would ruin the character.

That's a really poor comparison. Batman's intellect and resourcefulness puts him on even footing with Superman and other heroes.

 Amaya wrote:

Why do you think it is acceptable for women to not be in the Astartes simply because they are women?

Why do you think it's acceptable for Imperial Guard to be armed with Lasguns and Flak Armor? Because that's how they were written. Why can't there be all male organizations? So that you can sleep at night knowing that women are in everything ever? Feth, there is even an all female organization too that can match the astartes!


By variety to you mean one sentence summaries of various chapters a literate 8 year old could develop? White Scars are Mongols in Space. Ultramarines are Paladins in Space. Dark Angels are Darker and Edgier Paladins in Space. Blood Angels are Vampires in Space. Space Wolves are Vikings in Space. Man! That is original and deep!

And adding women would somehow improve them? Blood Angels are not going to suddenly turn into good reading the moment an angel has a vagina.

Why are you restricting genetic enhancements to males?
I'm not. My point was that all this cry for Femmarines seems to imply that Space Marines are the only venue for strong characters. If this wasn't true, why all this mess about Space Marines only being male?


How did this even make sense in your head?
Because some of the implications in this thread is that Female Astartes would drive up sales of Marines.

Responses in bold.

My responses in not bold.

Evileyes wrote:
I'm happy there are no female astartes for one very simple reason.



I don't want to play the female version of that. Female badasses? Yes. Fe-men? No thank's, it's not in my interests to play that.

However, I think there is room for female's in the imperial guard army. Or, as called-to-arm's special character psyker's. Or more prevalence in other armies (I loved it when I discovered one of the playable tau commanders was female, you would never know it from the model, it's a battlesuit after all, but it gave me a big smile knowing. Like, a Metroid Samus moment.

They don't need to make female version of other armies. But they could do with finding a way to include them in some armies. Grey knight's did it with inquisitors, but there is only one. There are more orang-utang's than women in grey knight models after all (Literally)

I'm sorry, did someone hold a gun to your head and force you to play female Space Marines?

Also its the geneseed that requires them to be male candidates, because its made from male prognitors. I dont really want to imagine what it could possibly do to a women (sadly Im thinking of a hermafrodite Emperor's Children marine).

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Also its the geneseed that requires them to be male candidates, because its made from male prognitors. I dont really want to imagine what it could possibly do to a women (sadly Im thinking of a hermafrodite Emperor's Children marine).

Because made up science in a space fantasy setting makes sense. Right.