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Can it fire under 36inch and is it worth taking.

Yes and Yes.

I'd go buy yourself a copy of the rules to see what it has to say about barrage weapons.

And sure, en-masse.

I asked this question maybe a week ago. TheCaptain and Ailaros pretty much answered my question then too lol.

I still don't kind of get the rules regarding shooting at artillery though, the explanation feels a little cheese to me.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/506824.page#5298503

I have rule books still don't understand it. It can only shot 36pluse inchs so how is that any good after trun3 all units will be close a nuff you can't shoot at them

the minimum range thing is for shooting over walls and other things that block your line of sight. otherwise, if the Artillery can see it, it can fire at it, even if it's right in front of it. you're not able to use your Ballistic Skill to reduce scatter when you shoot over a wall though.

frogy27 wrote:
I have rule books still don't understand it. It can only shot 36pluse inchs so how is that any good after trun3 all units will be close a nuff you can't shoot at them

Read the rules for barrage weapons on page 34, specifically the first bullet point about firing indirectly.

I will just use it in my biger games ware it min rang of 36inch won't be a problem. Just kind of funny that it can't fire under 36but that ok all learn to deal with that. Also wish ther models for some of the other guns .

Dude, it CAN fire under 36, just not accurately. Just stick it in the far corner.

Also, here's a model.

It inaccurate all around always scattering full 2d6 and no ware does it say it can fire under 36inch

frogy27 wrote:Can it fire under 36inch and is it worth taking.

Can it fire under 36 inches you ask?

TheCaptain wrote:Yes and Yes.

Lotet wrote:the minimum range thing is for shooting over walls and other things that block your line of sight. otherwise, if the Artillery can see it, it can fire at it, even if it's right in front of it. you're not able to use your Ballistic Skill to reduce scatter when you shoot over a wall though.

xSPYXEx wrote:Dude, it CAN fire under 36, just not accurately. Just stick it in the far corner.

Well there are three yes answers.


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frogy27 wrote:It inaccurate all around always scattering full 2d6 and no ware does it say it can fire under 36inch

Where does it say it can fire under 36 inches, you ask?

Ailaros wrote:I'd go buy yourself a copy of the rules to see what it has to say about barrage weapons.

And sure, en-masse.

Peregrine wrote:

frogy27 wrote:
I have rule books still don't understand it. It can only shot 36pluse inchs so how is that any good after trun3 all units will be close a nuff you can't shoot at them

Read the rules for barrage weapons on page 34, specifically the first bullet point about firing indirectly.

Ailaros says to check the rules for barrage weapons. Peregrine then tells you its on page 34, under the first bullet point.

Hope we got all your questions, and best of luck with the Basilisk,
-TheCaptain

Yeah, minimum range is basically irrelevant if it can't see it's target anyways.

And why do people say buy from fw i cant i live in usa and don't have a way to pay with britsh money.also as keep saying if gw don't have a model you can't use that unit from your dex. Just like there so many different ig tanks and arty you could use if gw just made a kit but nope.

frogy27 wrote:
And why do people say buy from fw i cant i live in usa and don't have a way to pay with britsh money.also as keep saying if gw don't have a model you can't use that unit from your dex. Just like there so many different ig tanks and arty you could use if gw just made a kit but nope.

Seriously? We have been over this! The money doesn't matter! The internet automatically converts it to "British money" when you order, so you don't need to worry about it!

Honestly, where are you getting these rules from? Im seriously kinda curious why you think this....

GW DO have a basilisk kit. You might have to buy it online from a GW website, bu they DO have one and it's been around since the mid 90s.

Most GW stores are now direct order places though and carry SFA in the way of stock (at least mine does. It has about half the amount of wall space it used to have and carries bugger-all in the way of non-marine or Chaos stock).

frogy27 wrote:
And why do people say buy from fw i cant i live in usa and don't have a way to pay with britsh money.

As people have already told you before there's this wonderful thing called a bank which magically converts your money from one type to the other when you need them to. As soon as you give FW your credit card the magical money elves at the bank will convert your dollars into pounds and give some to FW.

also as keep saying if gw don't have a model you can't use that unit from your dex. Just like there so many different ig tanks and arty you could use if gw just made a kit but nope.

And, again, as people have already told you countless times this is not true.

This thread is tantamount to genius.

frogy27 wrote:
Just like there so many different ig tanks and arty you could use if gw just made a kit but nope.

Also, I have to add to this. There isn't a single Leman Russ you can't use from the codex by this (horrible) logic. Every Russ is buildable from the two kits they have. Not too sure about Arty, but as far as I know most everything is as well.

I play with people that will only play with gw models like thers no ig vet models so i can't use vets

frogy27 wrote:
I play with people that will only play with gw models like thers no ig vet models so i can't use vets

Your opponents are just making stuff up. There is no such rule. You should respond by making up your own rule that they are not allowed to win the game.

frogy27 wrote:
I play with people that will only play with gw models like thers no ig vet models so i can't use vets

You are playing with just the worst kind of people then.

Words fail me.

frogy27 wrote:
And why do people say buy from fw i cant i live in usa and don't have a way to pay with britsh money.also as keep saying if gw don't have a model you can't use that unit from your dex. Just like there so many different ig tanks and arty you could use if gw just made a kit but nope.

This has been covered in three threads you've posted in now. No offense, but it is beginning to look silly. I will address it one more time, for charity's sake.

Buying from Forgeworld:

-All you have to do is pay with a valid credit/debit card using any legal currency you wish.
-The American Dollar is accepted by FW. (I just made a $350 FW order two days ago, using the American Dollar)
-Your bank/credit card company will convert your money into "british money" and send it to FW, and your purchase will go through just fine.

Models without kits:

Page 29 of the Imperial Guard Codex gives you your answer. It says, in the second paragraph

The IG Codex wrote:Each [army list] entry describes the unit and gives you the specific rules you will need to use them in your games of Warhammer 40,000.

This flat out tells you that any unit in your codex with rules in your codex can be used in your games of Warhammer 40,000. It is 1000% up to you as per how to represent them on the tabletop.

If someone tells you that you can't, have them show you the page in the rulebook where it says so. On behalf of DakkaDakka, I promise you, there is no such rule.

I hope I have finally cleared all of this up.
-TheCaptain

frogy27 wrote:
I play with people that will only play with gw models like thers no ig vet models so i can't use vets

That doesn't prove anything. Did you seriously believe them without having them provide any sort of proof? If this is the case, then go like this. Make a rule that says there models need to be in a shooting pose, and looking at the target, or else they can't shoot your unit. If they debate, reveal your secret (The rule was made up) and call them out on their bluff...

I do believe we may be witnessing some trolling.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I do believe we may be witnessing some trolling.

Part of me hopes so. That part is also afraid that we aren't. Then there's a little part of me that hopes this is aaalll genuine.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I do believe we may be witnessing some trolling.

It's either trolling or congenital idiocy.

To the OP.

Yes you can fire at a target under 36" away

This is what you're looking for.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440252a&prodId=prod630024a
which you can buy with dollars

This is what you may be getting confused by.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Emplacements/HEAVY_ARTILLERY_CARRIAGE_WITH_EARTHSHAKER_CANNON.html
Which you can also buy with dollars, through the magic of banking.

frogy27 wrote:
I play with people that will only play with gw models like thers no ig vet models so i can't use vets

By their argument, there is no such unit as "shock troops", so GW doesn't make normal Cadian IG squads.

Going by the IG codex, a vet is just a normal guard, with extra kit.
Grab those spare items in the IG guard box, and stick one to each of your vet squad.

As for the rule that your 'mates' are telling you about, get them on here and post that rule.
If they refuse, don't follow it. If they aren't willing to put it to the community, if only for comment, ignore it.
Then, get their army list, and photos of their stuff, and post them here.
If Dakka can't list the models to match their lists, they're cheating on their own rule.

Loving this thread .... nothing constructive to be said as it's already been said
Had a good laugh nonetheless
"I can't pay with British money" ... love it !

GW have withdrawn (from independant stockists at least) or withdrawing the basiliks, hopefully they will release a new multi part kit soon to build a lot more varients

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
I do believe we may be witnessing some trolling.

He got me at first, he really did. In the beginning when he first joined I couldn't help but feel bad for Froggy, but the more I see him post the more I realize that we must have a quite brilliant troll on our hands. It is not possible that anyone could ACTUALLY be this dense (at least this is what I tell myself to help me sleep at night).