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Frozenwastes, I would love to see that!

I've been trying to paint up my Skorne stuff so I can run full games against family members (my mighty trollbloods staying with me!), but it is a bitch and a half to do all those gold details on just about EVERY SINGLE UNIT they have.

My cataphracts are making me crazy in particular.

I very much agree with everyone's sentiments on the waste of plastic usage. Why bother when I get just get multiples of the same 3 guys? I've been painting some Warders and Champions, and it's made even worse by the fact that both units use the same exact body- just different arms and heads. They're all in the same basic positions. I've tried to fiddle with their basic positioning as much as possible, varying their colors and skin tones, and changing up their bases but it's still pretty obvious they're all based off the same few guys.

With that said, as of late I find myself just collecting random jacks, warbeasts, and casters rather than things I would actually use in an army.

In fact with all my various leaders, I've been trying to figure out how to use them in a Iron Kingdom themed dungeon crawl, since it doesn't seem like Privateer is ever going to get around to making one.

Not sure how handi-capable Xerxis is going to fit into that idea, but I'm sure we'll find a way to shoehorn him in!

I have similar sentiments with mini games. I have to actually like some of the models, before I get into it. Rules don't really interest me that much, and typically they keep me from using all the models I want to in a particular game.

Luckily with Warmachine, I was really drawn to both Khador and Cryx, and finally decided on Khador, way back in 2005.

But other games which I've been told are good like Infinity, and Malefaux, just don't have any models that I find cool in their range.

In the end, if you're going to spend a lot of money on this stuff,you should at least like the models. That's all you're left with, if people stop playing the game in your area.

The "culture" of anti-conversions in Warmachine seems to be simply a forum or region thing in my experience. Everywhere I go it's understood that the conversion Rules are actually more just Guidelines, and I've yet to meet a TO that actually enforced them as written. I postulate they are not Intended to be enforced as written and are more of an Out for TOs to disqualify problem models. I play in the Mid West and have taken my stuff to tournament across Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Missouri, and Nebraska, including the big big event Warmachine Weekend. Only once have I had any figs DQed, which was at WMW, and were figs that were pretty much just GW figs on PP bases. Those figs however have been allowed at several other events in other locations.

I have heard of other regions, notably Utah, where they are super strict on the conversions. Even to an extent of creating addition rules like Zero GW parts are allowed on PP models. I've heard people from that area cite how strict and uncompromising the conversion policy is, when it's really just their TOs having a stick shoved up their rears.

It really comes down to the Rule Of Cool and following the Spirit of the conversion rules. Make it a good model that people know you put effort into making look good, and make it generally look like what it's supposed to be, and very few people will care.

Yeah, people hate on conversions and counts as models on the forums, but not really in real life. i think the same people who will bitch about it behind a screen will smile and enjoy the game in person.

In person:
"Oh, so that female miniature with a pole-hammer, a boiler on her back and a quad barrel gun standing on an ice block is eSorscha? Awesome!"

Later, on the internet:
"This guy had these non-standard models and it sucked. How am I supposed to tell things apart?"

Well, my experience is "wow, did you use a bunch of PP bits or sculpting to convert your minis? Cool!" "Oh, did you use some GW bits to convert those minis? Boo, hiss!" ...and that isn't about my personal conversions, just watching people get reamed by fanboys for using the Evil et cetera's line.

I'm surprised to hear that people get so picky about conversions with PP stuff. One of the things I loved about them initially, was that they didn't care if you brought painted stuff to tournaments.

I can't imagine most people could call you out on wysiwyg-edness, as most models i the game have no weapon options.

That being said, it is annoying when someone wants to use a completely different model to represent something that looks nothing like it. " I just think the Dire Troll Mauler is a cool model, that's why I'm using him as the deathjack. What do you mean, it's not thematic? It's awesome BRA!"

I've got a few painted Reaper figures tucked in a unit of Bane Knights. They were expensive enough as it was- I didn't want to go buy any more!

Never had an issue there.

Then again I tend to only really play with family, so maybe my view is a bit skewed. But what the hell, they're all armored ghostly skeleton knights, so they fit the part pretty well.

The closest I have ever gotten was using the Iron Kingdoms RPG warcaster as my personal unique "Sorcha". But it's a pretty close comparison.



I also had an idea to have an all-Rhulic army using the merc faction that used Reaper dwarves with polearms as counts-as "Steelhead Halberdiers".

I use the Corvis City Guard as Steelheads, never had a problem yet.

My biggest ones are using Dark Eldar Wracks as Cephalayx Drudge Slaves, I've got Caine and Jarl with their heads replaced with skulls as my two Pistol Wraiths, a Trollkin Bouncer with some conversion work as my Gerlak Slaughterborn, GW Fenrisian Wolves as my Circle War Wolfs and a GW Thunderwolf mount as my Laris. Everything is pretty obvious what it is and virtually no one questions any of it save one particular guy who's opinion I dismiss out of hand.

Like I said, it's pretty much a forum thing, where people will question its legality when they see pictures of it online, or a few select areas/individuals. By and large, if it's obvious what it's supposed to be, no one cares.

spiralingcadaver wrote:Well, my experience is "wow, did you use a bunch of PP bits or sculpting to convert your minis? Cool!" "Oh, did you use some GW bits to convert those minis? Boo, hiss!" ...and that isn't about my personal conversions, just watching people get reamed by fanboys for using the Evil et cetera's line.

I ended up using GW Dark Eldar Wych miniatures as my Nyss Hunters in my cryx army and I have yet to come across this, but I could totally see it happening. What I have experienced is people hating on my 3rd party miniatures when I played 40k. Maybe 10 years back when 40k was held hostage to notions of everything having to be "official" and "tournament legal" to a far greater degree than you'll find among PP's player base. I tend not to let people say bad things about the things I like in person without a very matter of fact response. Usually it's "I use the models I like with the rules I want, what's that to you?"

Platuan4th wrote:I use the Corvis City Guard as Steelheads, never had a problem yet.

I have a unit of these as well. I think it's seen often enough that people think of them as alt-sculpt steelheads.

Will Shick just tweeted a picture apparently of a Trollbloods model - a gargantuan sized fist.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Will_Shick/status/434037486486962176/photo/1?screen_name=Will_Shick

They did say trolls would be recieving something "juicy" at their keynote speech, after saying trolls wouldn't be recieving a new "Warbeast pack". Obviously this will be what they get instead, the question is whether it'll be a new regular Gargantuan, a character upgrade for a mountain king or possibly even a gargantuan mount for a warcaster. My guess would be character mountain king for Gunnbjorn, due to the cygnar-like tech on the fist.

Of course, it could be just a really really large fist for a new heavy as well... But I think it's too large for that, even accounting for the massive fists of dire trolls.

I won't be a character upgrade for a Mountain King because it's fists are not seperate parts that would allow that to be swapped on. It would have to be its own complete kit.

I am one happy trollkin seeing the size of that fist and imagining what it belongs to!

Be it a new gargantuan (which seems odd to have more than one), a new heavy (that's a big fist for just a heavy), or something in between- maybe a new Doomy riding on top of a new best friend?

A new epic warlock riding on something big seems like a good bet. Skorne's getting one, legion's got one, Circle's got mounted warlocks already... time for trolls?

Interesting to see that fist is totally armored too. It's not all patchwork leather like most troll stuff. Almost makes me wonder if it's got jack armor plating strapped to it or something.

Regardless, I am intrigued!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I am one happy trollkin seeing the size of that fist and imagining what it belongs to!

Be it a new gargantuan (which seems odd to have more than one), a new heavy (that's a big fist for just a heavy), or something in between- maybe a new Doomy riding on top of a new best friend?

A new epic warlock riding on something big seems like a good bet. Skorne's getting one, legion's got one, Circle's got mounted warlocks already... time for trolls?

Interesting to see that fist is totally armored too. It's not all patchwork leather like most troll stuff. Almost makes me wonder if it's got jack armor plating strapped to it or something.

Regardless, I am intrigued!

The armour looks almost cygnarian to me, and possibly mechanical, and I don't think Doomy, being the arch conservative traditionalist that he is, would have much truck with that sort of thing, which is why I'm leaning towards it being something to do with Gunnbjorn.


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 AduroT wrote:
I won't be a character upgrade for a Mountain King because it's fists are not seperate parts that would allow that to be swapped on. It would have to be its own complete kit.

True, though it's possible they sculpted different arms as well, but I think you're right that it does make it more likely it's a completely new sculpt if it's a gargantuan.

The image, extracted from the web page :

 Maddermax wrote:
The armour looks almost cygnarian to me, and possibly mechanical, and I don't think Doomy, being the arch conservative traditionalist that he is, would have much truck with that sort of thing, which is why I'm leaning towards it being something to do with Gunnbjorn.

Yes Gunnbjorn ! My favorite (and only) Warcaster getting something new ? Would be awesome. Needs BIG guns. And military cap. And cigars, but I will add it myself.

Please be 3Doomshaper riding a giant troll. I agree that the armor doesn't quite fit his outlook, but he's also had a very "BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY" outlook on things, especially with the awakening of the MKs in the first place.

Could be a Doomshaper gargantuan warlock model with
Leadership (Mountain Kings) zomg

As conservative as Doomy is, I don't see him being beyond re purposing scrapped Cygnarian jack pieces to a big super heavy dire troll. Spoils of war and all.

However I'd be all for Gunny getting an upgrade, but I always expected to see Gunnbjorn getting some ex- trencher buddies involved in the war. It's not like he was the only Troll that served, right?

I look forward to the day that Borka gets an epic version. He already rocks- is it possible he can rock any harder? Not many warlocks can claim they've got brass balls on their figure!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
As conservative as Doomy is, I don't see him being beyond re purposing scrapped Cygnarian jack pieces to a big super heavy dire troll. Spoils of war and all.

However I'd be all for Gunny getting an upgrade, but I always expected to see Gunnbjorn getting some ex- trencher buddies involved in the war. It's not like he was the only Troll that served, right?

I look forward to the day that Borka gets an epic version. He already rocks- is it possible he can rock any harder? Not many warlocks can claim they've got brass balls on their figure!

I want a Borka Long Rider cav warlock, with a feat called Under The Influence.

The Keg Carrier is still there, but he's riding a pig.

 Ostrakon wrote:


I want a Borka Long Rider cav warlock, with a feat called Under The Influence.

The Keg Carrier is still there, but he's riding a pig.

That would be quite cool. That pig better be loaded with extra kegs too. Have all piled up like all the sorcerers and scribes have their piles of scrolls stacked all over them.

Over a year of public beta testing, a full development team, and a $60 purchase and they might finally catch up to one that one guy was doing for free in his spare time!

Full Reznik spoilers!

As a Trollblood player that fights a lot of Menoth, that does not make me a happy camper.

That Lamentation of Suffering is going to be unpleasant for just about everybody.

That Take Down is going to suck too. And everything bursting into flames upon getting hit by Reznik's Verdict.

I can't really read the spells, but I'm sure they will add to the pain all us Unbelievers deserve in those zealot's eyes.

I guess I better bring some pyre trolls.

 AduroT wrote:
Over a year of public beta testing, a full development team, and a $60 purchase and they might finally catch up to one that one guy was doing for free in his spare time!

I know, right? That really bothers me about PP... was a very uncool move on their part. And to top it off, they've failed at it badly... should've just paid that guy!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
As a Trollblood player that fights a lot of Menoth, that does not make me a happy camper.

That Lamentation of Suffering is going to be unpleasant for just about everybody.

That Take Down is going to suck too. And everything bursting into flames upon getting hit by Reznik's Verdict.

I can't really read the spells, but I'm sure they will add to the pain all us Unbelievers deserve in those zealot's eyes.

I guess I better bring some pyre trolls.

Creator's Wrath: Additional die on melee attack and damage rolls, plus ignore defense and armor bonuses from spells.
Death March: +2 MAT and Vengeance to a unit.
Iron Aggression: Free slams, charges, and runs for a warjack. Also boosted melee attack rolls.
Lamentation: Double the cost of enemy spells in his CTRL.
The Flesh is Weak: POW 12 AoE 4 RNG 8, living and undead models hit by it can't run or charge for a round.


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Also, partial Imperatus spoiler!

For the reading impaired! EPIC REZNIK!

Epic Battle Engine Cavalry Warcaster

Spd: 7
Str: 7
Mat: 7
Rat: 4
Def: 13
Arm: 17
CMD: 7

Focus: 7 (he gained a point! WOOT)

WJP: +4

Verdict:
Pow: 6
P+S: 13
Magical
Reach
Flameburst:
When this models boxes an enemy model with this weapon, enemy models within 1" take continuous fire.

Mount:
Pow: 12

Abilities:

Terror

Lamentations of the Suffering:
While this model has 1 or more focus on it, non-magical ranged attacks automatically miss.

Take Down: No tough rolls for you and you are removed from play when he boxes you.

Feat:
Enemy models within control range receive -2 Def. When an enemy model is boxed within control area, center a 4" aoe on them. Models under the aoe suffer an unboostable pow 12.

Spells:
Creators Wrath: COST: 2 RNG: Self, Upkeep: Yes: bonus melee attack and melee damage die. Ignore spell effects boosting armor or defense.

Death March: COST: 3, RNG: 6: Upkeep: Yes: target friendly unit gains +2 MAT and vengeance

Iron Agression: COST: 3, RNG: 6, Upkeep: Yes: target warjack can charge, run, slam or trample for free

Lamentation: COST: 3, RNG: Self, Upkeep: Yes: enemy models casting spells or upkeeping spells double the focus required to spend while in control area

Flesh is Weak: COST: 3, RNG 8, Pow: 12 AOE: 4: living or undead models hit cannot run or charge for one round.

Imperatus looks great. I think pVyros is gonna love it.

Hopefully it's not too pricey... and has a MAT > 6...

13/17 on a huge base is pretty iffy to me. On on hand, I would think eMorv (and maybe eLich?) would hate this guy---but on the other hand, he's a 13/17 on a Huge base that has a lot of upkeeps. Don't know, will need to see him played--but I wouldn't think he dislodges Harby against Cryx. I wouldn't be super excited as a Menoth player..but maybe I just need to see him on the table.