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 Wehrkind wrote:
Yea, I was going to say, is that the first non-character female trollkin in a unit? I can't recall ever seeing another.

That's because no one ever plays the Sluggars.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Yea, I was going to say, is that the first non-character female trollkin in a unit? I can't recall ever seeing another.

Sluggers have one. Her breast are so large that her arm is literally going through it. However, her pose does not really put them in the foreground, so people do not notice.
What I have never seen is a female pygmy/pureblood/dire. I would love one female dire.

Ahhh yea, looking at the picture on the site there is one there. I'll be damned!

I really would LOVE a series of female warbeasts. I have no idea how they would do it that is SFW and not stilly looking, but female warpwolves, dire trolls etc. would be a really nice touch. We know female warpwolves exist, though perhaps dires just reproduce by fission or something.

 Wehrkind wrote:
I have no idea how they would do it that is SFW and not stilly looking

Take current dire. Use green stuff to make the breast bigger. Done .
For Warpwolves, you will need 6 very small breasts on the torso or something.

Well, the exposed nips would probably break the SFW work req for PP. Not for me by any stretch, but PP.

Then I guess PP will never be able to make a cow model .
Seriously though, they have penises on horses, why not breasts on warpwolves ? I mean, those would not be sexy or attractive to the normal human being anyway, so…

No reason for warpwolves to have multiple breasts... aren't they all originally human if I remember my fluff correctly?

It's not like my Wolfen vestals had more than one pair either... just saying.

Most big warbeasts seem to have a bit of modesty as it stands, what with all the loincloths and armor. I don't think we've seen one totally nekkid warbeast yet.

Female dire trolls would be fun. I would support some equal opportunity snackers.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
No reason for warpwolves to have multiple breasts... aren't they all originally human if I remember my fluff correctly?

Okay, seriously, do your warpwolves have human hears? Do your warpwolves have a human nose? Do your warpwolves have a human mouth? Do your warpwolves have human hair?
No. No. No. No.
Why should they have human breasts? That would be boring. And lazy. And stupid. And, usually, fan service. Which is bad.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Then I guess PP will never be able to make a cow model .
Seriously though, they have penises on horses, why not breasts on warpwolves ? I mean, those would not be sexy or attractive to the normal human being anyway, so…

PP has no problem making animals anatomically correct (all their horses and dogs are), but those are animals, and unlikely to bother any but the most amazingly prudish. Warbeasts, however, are kind of a major focus point of Hordes as a game, are both anthropomorphic (that is closer to human-like, rather than animal like) and generally upright (meaning unless covered, everything is front and center, not underneath the model), both of which mean that the game would be less "family friendly" in a business sense - prudish people worry about those things, and it makes it more difficult to display/show off the game to younger audiences (even thought the game tends to be pitched to a somewhat older crowd). They could, of course, cover up any "offending" parts, as they do already on the warbeast males, but that modesty would only look more contrived than the current modesty patches on the males (the fur-patch on the warpwolf for instance).


That said, I could possibly see them making female warbeasts as Privateer Exclusives one day, though I reckon they have a lot of other projects to do first, but not as any sort of main kit. Until then though, a bit of greenstuff sculpting is the best option.

Kreas are female.

It's the only one I can think of.

I forget which it is, but one of the troll Warbeasts is obviously male when you look at the back/underside of its loincloth...

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
No reason for warpwolves to have multiple breasts... aren't they all originally human if I remember my fluff correctly?

Okay, seriously, do your warpwolves have human hears? Do your warpwolves have a human nose? Do your warpwolves have a human mouth? Do your warpwolves have human hair?
No. No. No. No.
Why should they have human breasts? That would be boring. And lazy. And stupid. And, usually, fan service. Which is bad.

No, but they do have human torsos, human hands (mostly), human arms... basically neck to nuts they are human shaped. So it isn't stupid to expect less than a half dozen nipples.

You might want to dial it back a bit

 AduroT wrote:
I forget which it is, but one of the troll Warbeasts is obviously male when you look at the back/underside of its loincloth...

Metal Mauler.

Not that I checked.

Or painted the part flesh colored.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/felixjr/3478034394/in/set-72157616549675196

I know there are highwaymen in a theme force, hence why I was wondering about these guys. Why they announced highwaymen so long ago then tease the art for the bandits then show they aren't highwaymen I don't understand.

PP has a habit of mentioning future units in theme forces but showing bandits when highwaymen aren't out is strange.

Unless highwaymen were renamed bandits. Can't imagine where highwaymen were different than what the bandits are.

 malfred wrote:
Kreas are female.

It's the only one I can think of.

Cannoneers usually are as well, if memory serves.


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 Wehrkind wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
No reason for warpwolves to have multiple breasts... aren't they all originally human if I remember my fluff correctly?

Okay, seriously, do your warpwolves have human hears? Do your warpwolves have a human nose? Do your warpwolves have a human mouth? Do your warpwolves have human hair?
No. No. No. No.
Why should they have human breasts? That would be boring. And lazy. And stupid. And, usually, fan service. Which is bad.

No, but they do have human torsos, human hands (mostly), human arms... basically neck to nuts they are human shaped. So it isn't stupid to expect less than a half dozen nipples.

You might want to dial it back a bit

That, and they already have two nipples. They're kinda sculpted on, IIRC.

Do we know that any of the beasts aren't female? Except the ones that are clearly stated as male/female (like bronzeback/krea)?

I mean, do we know the differences between male/female titans? Or griffins?

We're assuming a lot of obvious sexual dimorphism here.

 gunslingerpro wrote:
Do we know that any of the beasts aren't female? Except the ones that are clearly stated as male/female (like bronzeback/krea)?

For those that are very heavily inspired by actual species without clear sexual dimorphism for average Joe, like all the Gatormen warbeasts (how do you know if an alligator is male of female? I have no freaking idea!), or razor worms, we do not know. For Everblight's creation, we do not even know if the question make sense. For Circle's constructs, we know the question does not make sense. But those that are obviously designed by mixing a specie where sexual dimorphism is pretty clear to about anyone with humans, like Warpwolves and Satyrs, I think it is pretty easy to tell. Same for trolls given the examples of female trollkin we have.
Do not get me wrong, I am all for alien sexual dimorphism that are nothing like the human sexual dimorphism, but here assuming one in Satyr is just looking for excuse.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
(how do you know if an alligator is male of female? I have no freaking idea!),

Stick your finger up it's cloaca.

Not going to do that!
It might make it angry. And an angry alligator could kill me. And I do not want to die just yet. Especially this kind of death, which seems extremely painful.

Yea, with Circle beasts at least, every beast save the argus line is just a human torso and arms with animalish heads and legs attached. (This bothers me to no end... those are not griffons :( ) For those at least we should be able to recognize male/female pretty handily.

Trolls, aside from the Rule 34 style slash fic and the metal mauler (I am going down to check mine later), there is really no reason to assume the beasts have different sexes as such.
All the others, yea they are pretty uniform but that doesn't mean a lot necessarily. It would be nice if they would offer optional sculpts of females with slight differences, like how elephants can be told apart by ear size and tusks in some subspecies, just for collectors who want to round out the fluff a bit. For many of the models it would just require a bits swap or maybe a variant torso etc., which to my modeler's mind would be a huge option anyway.

 Wehrkind wrote:


Trolls, aside from the Rule 34 style slash fic and the metal mauler (I am going down to check mine later),.

Don't say I didn't link a pic for you.

I still remember the first time Borka's model finally sank through my addled brain tissue..and I finally made the connection. Then, like a 12 year old boy discovering a new dirty joke, immediately purchased the model and painted him up.

I looked for easter eggs on the new Borka but like his rules, his model looks pretty straight forward. Speaking of which....

I've been thinking quite a bit about Bearka and I think he may have merit in a beast heavy list, in a 3 caster tournament due to how prevalent Khador is now. He keeps Butcher3 from eating your army for a turn, generally makes Sorscha unhappy and really does ok against most other Khador stuff. Plus, he can probably throw a Warwagon in there for his shroud spell target and keep it alive for another round (and the WW shines against certain Khador builds). I might proxy up a list this weekend and give him a go.

So, it seems solid enough now that Trolls are getting Bandits AND Highwaymen. I'm assuming the Highwaymen will be the Trolls new cav...or at least that's the rumor now. Surprised we haven't seen a photo of them yet, they must be late in the development cycle.

I could have sworn I read in Circle fluff that some of their warpwolves were humans who were transformed by some sort of spell or drought they had to guzzle.

Maybe that was the skinwalkers I was thinking of? Some of those things were definitely human to begin with.

I thought that was how they had the Warpwolves with the swords- they retained a bit of their intelligence from their human times. Or maybe those are Mierce's waerwulfas I'm thinking of. Or both?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I could have sworn I read in Circle fluff that some of their warpwolves were humans who were transformed by some sort of spell or drought they had to guzzle.

Maybe that was the skinwalkers I was thinking of? Some of those things were definitely human to begin with.

I thought that was how they had the Warpwolves with the swords- they retained a bit of their intelligence from their human times. Or maybe those are Mierce's waerwulfas I'm thinking of. Or both?

Warpwolves are humans that have been transformed into savage beasts well suited for battle. The druids of the Circle Orboros use the vicious feral warpwolves to strike their enemies hard and fast, unleashing them to sow death and discord with tooth and claw. Contrastingly, the white-furred purebloods cut swathes through the enemies of Orboros with measured ferocity and bone-shattering howls. Retaining some portion of their human intellects, the sword-wielding stalkers are stealthy killers that prowl behind enemy lines and strike without warning.

Ghetorax was a Tharn Chieftain, most Ferals and Stalkers were humans. They drank the potion that makes them into the big wolves. Once they're wolves they can get freaky with each other and have Warpwolf babies. After a few generations of such a Pureblood is born. Purebloods are never former humans, the Feral and Stalkers might not have been as well but usually are.

I believe Skinwalkers are a lesser form of the transformation, and they can go back and forth between wolf form and human iirc.

...and now we know!

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I still remember the first time Borka's model finally sank through my addled brain tissue..and I finally made the connection. Then, like a 12 year old boy discovering a new dirty joke, immediately purchased the model and painted him up.

I looked for easter eggs on the new Borka but like his rules, his model looks pretty straight forward. Speaking of which....

I've been thinking quite a bit about Bearka and I think he may have merit in a beast heavy list, in a 3 caster tournament due to how prevalent Khador is now. He keeps Butcher3 from eating your army for a turn, generally makes Sorscha unhappy and really does ok against most other Khador stuff. Plus, he can probably throw a Warwagon in there for his shroud spell target and keep it alive for another round (and the WW shines against certain Khador builds). I might proxy up a list this weekend and give him a go.

So, it seems solid enough now that Trolls are getting Bandits AND Highwaymen. I'm assuming the Highwaymen will be the Trolls new cav...or at least that's the rumor now. Surprised we haven't seen a photo of them yet, they must be late in the development cycle.

The one little Easter egg I noticed in his rules is that he makes both allies AND enemies stealth - now that also means they stop blocking LOS for shooting >5" away. Not amazing, but could allow an unforeseen ranged assassination against a cocky opponent who thinks his caster is safe behind other models.

As for there being both Highwaymen AND bandits, it's possible, but I wouldn't expect it. Highwaymen could easily have to wait till the next book, just as Flamebringers had to wait 2 whole books as nothing but a name in a theme force.

Word from people in the know, however, is that there will be two casters per faction...

Highway men is a Cav heavy class in IKRPG, so they might be Trollkin light Cav similar to the gun Mages on ponies.

That painted Bearka looks fantastic.

More female trolls is great. Maybe one day I'll get the Sluggers. Maybe.

Re: female other stuff, I don't think a female model should have to be unambiguously female any more than you'd demand a male model be unambiguously male. The best is to avoid stuff like boobplate and allow the possibility for models to be anything. I want to point to the Eldar - to start with, any Eldar model could be female and you couldn't tell. Then they added silly boobplate to the Guardians and suddenly only a specially-marked minority were.

There should still be unambiguously female models too, but it should be okay for you to look at a model and go, well, this could be female or male, I can't tell because (it's wearing armour|it's a giant wolf|whatever).

These great releases. If only I could paint faster!

 HiveFleetPlastic wrote:
That painted Bearka looks fantastic.

More female trolls is great. Maybe one day I'll get the Sluggers. Maybe.

Re: female other stuff, I don't think a female model should have to be unambiguously female any more than you'd demand a male model be unambiguously male. The best is to avoid stuff like boobplate and allow the possibility for models to be anything. I want to point to the Eldar - to start with, any Eldar model could be female and you couldn't tell. Then they added silly boobplate to the Guardians and suddenly only a specially-marked minority were.

There should still be unambiguously female models too, but it should be okay for you to look at a model and go, well, this could be female or male, I can't tell because (it's wearing armour|it's a giant wolf|whatever).

These great releases. If only I could paint faster!

I agree with you on that, especially with most of the armor (though women do benefit from armor fitted to them, boob plates are generally not the result ). However, beasts wearing just a loin cloth and neck ruffle that were once human should be at least moderately female looking. Just one of the side effects of their largely hairless warpwolves is that you can see just about everything on them.

I would trade wolf boobs for werewolves with sculpted fur quite happily, I will note.