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PP isn't going to get any more of my money until they get away from their PVC. 55$ for ten WoO with terrible spears, boring sculpts, few poses and in PVC. No, thank you. But releasing more and more ZOMGHUGE stuff for a "Skirmish" game is more important than investing in miniature quality, it seems.

At least KS companies have the decency to give out a veritable bucket of minis when you hand them money for PVC models.

Binabik15 wrote:
PP isn't going to get any more of my money until they get away from their PVC. 55$ for ten WoO with terrible spears, boring sculpts, few poses and in PVC. No, thank you. But releasing more and more ZOMGHUGE stuff for a "Skirmish" game is more important than investing in miniature quality, it seems.

At least KS companies have the decency to give out a veritable bucket of minis when you hand them money for PVC models.

Well, they're already working on hard plastic stuff, so I don't see how a handful of different parts for existing Colossals is 'releasing more huge stuff rather than investing in miniature quality'.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Well, they're already working on hard plastic stuff, so I don't see how a handful of different parts for existing Colossals is 'releasing more huge stuff rather than investing in miniature quality'.

It probably wasn't that labour intensive in terms of model design and manufacturing to make add on parts to use with their existing moulds, so I agree.

What I would love to see and what would get me buying a lot of miniatures is if next year's "next big thing" from Privateer would be styrene starter sets and styrene heavy and light jack/beast kits for every faction. Followed by a plastic unit per faction by the next year. The same way they launched PVC, but in styrene.

I get that for many of PP's customers, game play is a higher priority and they're willing to accept models in PVC, but I'm definitely only considering their resin and metal releases these days which also means the big ticket sale of me starting a new faction is very, very unlikely. I think there's a large branch of the hobby that prioritizes models higher than game play that are not considering PP right now because of the miniatures.

Styrene launch for all factions starting with battle boxes, heavy and light kits and a unit would go a long way for a lot of people.

I just love that it's actually reasonable to talk about this possibility now. Hopefully their first styrene kits are a huge success and PP runs with the material in a big way.

I'm going to buy the new Cygnar Colossal..but another Colossal variant seems kinda lazy to me, and also seems to go a bit against the fluff...

I mean, aren't colossals supposed to be rare and hard to produce? But apparently not rare and hard enough to find that they have chassis variants?

Again, I'm going to get it....but man, people get on GW for being lazy about their design scope....

 cincydooley wrote:
I'm going to buy the new Cygnar Colossal..but another Colossal variant seems kinda lazy to me, and also seems to go a bit against the fluff...

I mean, aren't colossals supposed to be rare and hard to produce? But apparently not rare and hard enough to find that they have chassis variants?

Again, I'm going to get it....but man, people get on GW for being lazy about their design scope....

They'd have been hard to produce the first time, but these second ones are just weapon changes really. So it doesn't go against the fluff that much, it's just putting different guns on some. The chassis is the same.

The Colossals were a big deal to develop, but once you have a viable design you can crank them out.

Khador put a rush on it because they wanted to get Colossals deployed before Cygnar did. Now that there is parity there isn't a huge sense of urgency.

And really the only new colossals, as far as the fluff is concerned, is Cygnar, Khador, the Galleon, and the Protectorate. Everyone elses has existed in the fluff prior to this. Plus there are the 2 original colossals guarding the primary church of Morrow.

Does Cygnar still exist in the fluff, or is it just one trencher in a tree completely surrounded by every other faction in the game at this point? I haven't read any of the books since Wrath.

I hope the Hordes reveal at Smogcon is a complete gutting and rewrite of Gargantuans to make them something that sees table time. I'd love for even the faintest excuse to get an Archangel.

Cygnar is very much alive at this point.


A quick summation of the fluff:

Cygnar and Khador have basically stagnated, Point Bourne has been almost completely destroyed. In the middle of the stalemate, Cryx attacked. Khador and Cygnar have cemented a temporary alliance to deal with the Cryx in the Thornwood. the first foray against Asphixious's stronghold was met with disaster, Haley was almost killed and both Khador and Cygnar lost several Colossals. Denny did lose Nightmare to a Stormwall's fist. Haley is still suffering from a poison that makes her unable to use her magic.

the Protectorate continues to gain ground in Llael, although they also have reached a pact with Vladimir to deal with Cryx. Meanwhile, Harbinger and Reznik have undertaken a sneaky converting mission in Umbrey while Khador is distracted. Feora is plotting to set herself up to be the next Hierarch, but Vindictus is keeping an eye on her.

Goreshade has infiltrated into Ios and is preparing to kill Scyrah and Nyssor for good. Meanwhile, Ios is distracted by the Skorne invasion which has successfully penetrated their perimeter walls.

On the Circle/Trollblood front, the Mountain Kings have been released from their rocky tombs. Kreuger is undertaking some elaborate scheme to build some system that can track the movement of dragons, which poisons the lay lines.

Cygnar also recently defeated Terminus and captured the Athanc of the dragon known as the champion which they were transporting to Cryx. They of course don't know what is in the device. Legion has also been trying to get a hold of this Athanc. Cygnar is sending the device to the Wyrmwall mountains, which is practically delivering the Athanc to Blightergast's claws as he lives in the Wyrmwalls.

So either the Champion is going to get released OR Everblight will get to nom a new Athanc. Neither of which is good for Cygnar.

All the while, Magnus is scheming to put Vinter's bastard son on the throne of Cygnar.


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 TheKbob wrote:
I hope the Hordes reveal at Smogcon is a complete gutting and rewrite of Gargantuans to make them something that sees table time. I'd love for even the faintest excuse to get an Archangel.

Its pretty

plastictrees wrote:Does Cygnar still exist in the fluff, or is it just one trencher in a tree completely surrounded by every other faction in the game at this point? I haven't read any of the books since Wrath.

Cygnar also has the most dense urban centres. If you look at the numbers for their military, they have huge amounts of people. They're besieged on all sides, but they have hundreds of thousands of soldiers and the most modern transportation and communication systems. Their logistics keeps them in the war. Khador has a slightly larger army, but it's not nearly as modern in terms of organization or deployment. Furthermore, the quagmire in the Thornwood at the centre of the conflict has helped stall everyone out and kept too much of a focused attack from going into the Cygnarian industrial base.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The Colossals were a big deal to develop, but once you have a viable design you can crank them out.

Khador put a rush on it because they wanted to get Colossals deployed before Cygnar did. Now that there is parity there isn't a huge sense of urgency.

And really the only new colossals, as far as the fluff is concerned, is Cygnar, Khador, the Galleon, and the Protectorate. Everyone elses has existed in the fluff prior to this. Plus there are the 2 original colossals guarding the primary church of Morrow.

Okay, that does make a lot of sense. I must have simply missed that part.

Like I said, I'll still be getting it, but I'm actually more intrigued by the Undercity than I am the new colossals.

Plus there's been talk of the timeline skipping ahead a good chunk and the story moving to focus on the Jr Warcasters who are now full fledged Warcasters so they've had time to design and implement new Colossals.

Yeah, although unless the new colossals don't get put in the next book they'll be in before the time jump.

Is the time jump thing really happening? I'm excited if it is.

Caine with one eye, bad aim, and a sword.
Severius in a vessel of judgement.
Karchev rocking the Skulls of Hate.

Hey, I'd be glad for some new characters taking the spotlight.

And there's been so much bloodshed, you'd think everyone's population would be dead by now.

 TheKbob wrote:
I hope the Hordes reveal at Smogcon is a complete gutting and rewrite of Gargantuans to make them something that sees table time. I'd love for even the faintest excuse to get an Archangel.

Considering that a list with Archangels in it won the GenCon Hardcore tournament last year, I fail to see why you are lacking an excuse to use it.

PhantomViper wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I hope the Hordes reveal at Smogcon is a complete gutting and rewrite of Gargantuans to make them something that sees table time. I'd love for even the faintest excuse to get an Archangel.

Considering that a list with Archangels in it won the GenCon Hardcore tournament last year, I fail to see why you are lacking an excuse to use it.

I don't know what the lists were but are you sure you're not thinking of Angelius'? You made it sound like there was more than one in the list and that sounds more like it would be multiple Angelius' than multiple Archangels.

PhantomViper wrote:
Templecon anouncement, new colossals:



Also, for those waiting on a possible new Hordes faction, PP says: ''We won't be adding any new factions anytime in the near future.''

Hmm. This guy is a few greenstuffed muscles away from a proper CSM Forgefiend

 ImAGeek wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I hope the Hordes reveal at Smogcon is a complete gutting and rewrite of Gargantuans to make them something that sees table time. I'd love for even the faintest excuse to get an Archangel.

Considering that a list with Archangels in it won the GenCon Hardcore tournament last year, I fail to see why you are lacking an excuse to use it.

I don't know what the lists were but are you sure you're not thinking of Angelius'? You made it sound like there was more than one in the list and that sounds more like it would be multiple Angelius' than multiple Archangels.

No, I really mean Archangels (multiple ):

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?208440-Chuck-wins-gencon-hardcore!

PhantomViper wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 TheKbob wrote:
I hope the Hordes reveal at Smogcon is a complete gutting and rewrite of Gargantuans to make them something that sees table time. I'd love for even the faintest excuse to get an Archangel.

Considering that a list with Archangels in it won the GenCon Hardcore tournament last year, I fail to see why you are lacking an excuse to use it.

I don't know what the lists were but are you sure you're not thinking of Angelius'? You made it sound like there was more than one in the list and that sounds more like it would be multiple Angelius' than multiple Archangels.

No, I really mean Archangels (multiple ):

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?208440-Chuck-wins-gencon-hardcore!

Wow, okay haha. Sorry, I was just checking. And I did try to look it up first but I couldn't find the list, and I know the AA isn't very well regarded, particularly competitively, over on the PP forum so just thought I'd check.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Wow, okay haha. Sorry, I was just checking. And I did try to look it up first but I couldn't find the list, and I know the AA isn't very well regarded, particularly competitively, over on the PP forum so just thought I'd check.

That is because the "forums" don't know what they are talking about 99% of the time.

PhantomViper wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Wow, okay haha. Sorry, I was just checking. And I did try to look it up first but I couldn't find the list, and I know the AA isn't very well regarded, particularly competitively, over on the PP forum so just thought I'd check.

That is because the "forums" don't know what they are talking about 99% of the time.

I'm starting to notice how much of an echo chamber it can be, yeah. Again, apologies if I was condescending

 ImAGeek wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Wow, okay haha. Sorry, I was just checking. And I did try to look it up first but I couldn't find the list, and I know the AA isn't very well regarded, particularly competitively, over on the PP forum so just thought I'd check.

That is because the "forums" don't know what they are talking about 99% of the time.

I'm starting to notice how much of an echo chamber it can be, yeah. Again, apologies if I was condescending

You weren't condescending in anyway, don't worry about it.

I was able to purchase the Iron Kingdoms: Unleashed starter kit on TempleCon (along with a sacral vault for a friend...maybe). A few interesting findings:

-I opened the box with glue and knife in hand, only to find pre-assembled, pre-based miniatures. They are very similar to the Bones material in that they are soft but hold detail very well. A few are clearly made up of multiple parts but were already glued together in the box. I haven't found time to try any paint on them, but they seem perhaps a bit shinier than Bones.
-They look pretty awesome, though the gator sniper Lockjaw has a big gap between his tail and body.
-I imagine the Undercity game will feature similar models.

Curious to see the exact rules for the Revelator and the Sepulcher.

Dreading the range on the Hurricane's storm emitter's if they are higher than 12-13.

PhantomViper wrote:
No, I really mean Archangels (multiple )

Bravo to that guy

- Salvage

I've seen people mention suspecting that there will be a Minions Gargantuan included in the Gargantuans reveal at SmogCon next week. Is there a source for this anywhere, or is it just speculation? People keep saying the Dracodile, but I don't know if it's just wishlisting or not.

I think this pic is of the Dracodile as shown in the Monsternomicon:



Obviously I'd be thrilled with this, so here's hoping

It's speculation based on the fact that the Monsternomicon lists the Dracodile as having a the same base as the Gargossals.

I too would be thrilled if my Gators got a Dracodile.

I really hope we get it. Because it looks freaking awesome, and I will definitely complete my Gator force (which currently consists of Barnabas and a Posse...).

 RiTides wrote:
People keep saying the Dracodile, but I don't know if it's just wishlisting or not ...

I'd buy that, and I don't have any serious plans of playing gators

Now strapping guns to it and calling it a Mammoth, that's more my style

- Salvage