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What it says on the tin, I love the idea of Nob Bikers, and am wondering if an army made up entirely or nearly entirely of Nob Bikers would be any good?

Two Warbosses and two massive ten nob mobs can eat up 1500 points easily, even with only a few power klaws. But I notice that all the lists on here I see that have Nob Bikers have a maximum of five or six... is this because ten is overkill? I'm trying to get the best value for money for my WAAAGH banner and painboy, but perhaps its worth eating the cost of more banners and painboyz for the added flexibility of smaller squads?

Also big choppas, kombi-skorchas and power klaws... for none of these the question is "should I" but rather "how many"

Also Nob Bikers General - want to talk about Nob Bikers, ask questions or dispense advice, this place is as good as any (or direct me to another thread should one exist!)

Problem is nob bikers are awesome, but they're not quite THAT awesome.

Worth a shot, but normally you need support for them, and something to help take the heat off them.

This would usually be lootas and boyz, in that order, but I've seen other units used.

You correctly guessed the reason why you tend to not see more than 5 per unit, because yes, it can be insane overkill (and a massive pointsink) They're units that make a good part of your army, but should never be your ENTIRE army.

You can kiss winning goodbye if you face an army that has even a single vindicator and any small number of things to bubble wrap it with. Nobstar is a nice bully, but it has no redundancy. It works great cause you waste so much trying to kill it, if there was nothing else around then it wouldnt be a very hard descision on what to kill

What do you guys reckon about big choppas and kombi-skorchas? Should every Nob who doesn't have a klaw take one of these babies? Or are they just a place to put a handful of extra points you have lying about.

If all Nob Bikerz isn't going to work, would battlewagons/looted wagons/trukks filled with Flash Gitz, MANz or Lootas work well with a couple of smaller biker mobs? I'm trying to go for a bit of a Speed Freaks theme - pretty much if it isn't on wheels or can't ride to the battle in something else that has wheels I don't want to field it!

I've always seen 10 nobs + 2 bosses on bikes.

 Dakkamite wrote:
What do you guys reckon about big choppas and kombi-skorchas? Should every Nob who doesn't have a klaw take one of these babies? Or are they just a place to put a handful of extra points you have lying about.

If all Nob Bikerz isn't going to work, would battlewagons/looted wagons/trukks filled with Flash Gitz, MANz or Lootas work well with a couple of smaller biker mobs? I'm trying to go for a bit of a Speed Freaks theme - pretty much if it isn't on wheels or can't ride to the battle in something else that has wheels I don't want to field it!

I wouldn't take the Flash Gitz. Lootas or MANZ out perform them every time.

The main problem that I see is that you're trying to go Toyz > Boyz right now. General Rule of Thumb is to go Boyz over Toyz. By all means, go for a Speed Freaks/Kult of Speed theme. But I'd make more of your bikers just normal bikers rather than trying to make them one massive Nob Squad. Nob Squads that are 10 full eat a majority of your points when you start throwing PKs and other shiney bits onto them. So unless you're playing Black Crusade mission, I don't see the point in filling out a Nob Squad to the max. Usually I take about 5 or 6 Nobs to my squad and compliment it with the WAAGH! Banner and other shineys as I see fit.

Why not Waddzakka and a number of small ork bike units...

Most units are not going to stand up to 1 nob bike and 2 or 3 regular bikes...


Warboss on a Bike
Wadzakka
10 Nob Bikers
5 x 3 Bikes w Nob Biker.

 Dakkamite wrote:
What do you guys reckon about big choppas and kombi-skorchas? Should every Nob who doesn't have a klaw take one of these babies? Or are they just a place to put a handful of extra points you have lying about.

If all Nob Bikerz isn't going to work, would battlewagons/looted wagons/trukks filled with Flash Gitz, MANz or Lootas work well with a couple of smaller biker mobs? I'm trying to go for a bit of a Speed Freaks theme - pretty much if it isn't on wheels or can't ride to the battle in something else that has wheels I don't want to field it!

Big choppa counts as a two handed weapon, so if you take one, you will lose one of your attacks with the unit in favor of a little more strength. Not something I care to do.

DAaddict wrote:
Why not Waddzakka and a number of small ork bike units...

Most units are not going to stand up to 1 nob bike and 2 or 3 regular bikes...


Warboss on a Bike
Wadzakka
10 Nob Bikers
5 x 3 Bikes w Nob Biker.

That's my favorite setup!

EDIT: In fact... I'm thinking something along the lines of:

HQ:
Wazzie
Boss (Bike, Klaw, BP, Squig, Cyborked)

Elite:
6x Lootas
6x Lootas

Troops:
10x Nobz (Bike, PainBoy, 2x Klaws, Rest BC, 2x BP, 1x banner)
3x Warbikers + Nob biker (PK+BP)
3x Warbikers + Nob biker (PK+BP)
3x Warbikers + Nob biker (PK+BP)
3x Warbikers + Nob biker (PK+BP)

Heavy:
3x Kannons
3x Kannons
3x Kannons

ADL with QuadGun.

Lot's of Dakka!


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davou wrote:

 Dakkamite wrote:
What do you guys reckon about big choppas and kombi-skorchas? Should every Nob who doesn't have a klaw take one of these babies? Or are they just a place to put a handful of extra points you have lying about.

If all Nob Bikerz isn't going to work, would battlewagons/looted wagons/trukks filled with Flash Gitz, MANz or Lootas work well with a couple of smaller biker mobs? I'm trying to go for a bit of a Speed Freaks theme - pretty much if it isn't on wheels or can't ride to the battle in something else that has wheels I don't want to field it!

Big choppa counts as a two handed weapon, so if you take one, you will lose one of your attacks with the unit in favor of a little more strength. Not something I care to do.

I've always found Big choppa worth it tho... YMMV.

 whembly wrote:

DAaddict wrote:
Why not Waddzakka and a number of small ork bike units...

Most units are not going to stand up to 1 nob bike and 2 or 3 regular bikes...


Warboss on a Bike
Wadzakka
10 Nob Bikers
5 x 3 Bikes w Nob Biker.

That's my favorite setup!

Had that exact army fail due to low Ld on BikerBoyz. Waz was with RokkitKoptas.

Current list at 750 tonight is 9 NobBikers including Banner, 2 Klaws, and Painboy. BikerBoss and 10 grots. Comes in at 749 with grenades.

BC isn't worth it. 4 Str 7 attacks will wound exactly the same as 5 Str 5 attacks. There is a slight advantage of 3 Str 6 vs 4 Str 4 but not enough in my opinion especially if you already have PK's.

1 shot Skorchas can be useful and I had them in 4th edition a lot on regular Nobz but the Twin Dakka gun is good enough and you're already paying for it.

 PipeAlley wrote:

 whembly wrote:

DAaddict wrote:
Why not Waddzakka and a number of small ork bike units...

Most units are not going to stand up to 1 nob bike and 2 or 3 regular bikes...


Warboss on a Bike
Wadzakka
10 Nob Bikers
5 x 3 Bikes w Nob Biker.

That's my favorite setup!

Had that exact army fail due to low Ld on BikerBoyz. Waz was with RokkitKoptas.

Current list at 750 tonight is 9 NobBikers including Banner, 2 Klaws, and Painboy. BikerBoss and 10 grots. Comes in at 749 with grenades.

BC isn't worth it. 4 Str 7 attacks will wound exactly the same as 5 Str 5 attacks. There is a slight advantage of 3 Str 6 vs 4 Str 4 but not enough in my opinion especially if you already have PK's.

1 shot Skorchas can be useful and I had them in 4th edition a lot on regular Nobz but the Twin Dakka gun is good enough and you're already paying for it.

Why grenades?

BC wrecks vehicles... in my meta, vehicle still is king.

As to leadership, that's why there's BP!

The only time they've failed that bad for me was due to combat losses (rare) or a PBS doing that "thingy".

only thing the grenades do is let him strike at initiative when charging into terrain. But these are nobs, so theyre not exactly beating anything to the punch but necrons.

Do this or try it

Bike boss
Bike boss

Elites
4-6 nob bikes
4-6 nob bikes

Troops
4-6 nob bikes
4-6 nob bikes
10grots
10grots

I've been contemplating a nob biker army as a complete opposite to my IG. A small model count, elite, and incredibly fast assault based army (fluffy too!), and to that end, nob bikerz seem to fit the bill.

Been thinking of something like this;

2x Biker Boss (PK, squiq, cybork, combi)

2x 6-nob bike squad with various accoutrements

3x Dakkajet with all the fixinz

For a grand total of 17 models. List has a particular fear of S10 blasts, no doubt about it. Anyone have any experience running a pure nob biker/warbiker list? Is this remotely viable in a semi-competitive environment?

Two bosses, 2 mobs of 5-6 nob bikers, and a bunch of lootas and some shoota infantry could work. If points allow take big gunz or something.