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Well, next week I plan to start a new detachment of Imperial guard, and for both financial and aesthetic reasons I'm planning to use other scale models for my tanks etc, such as 1/35 scale Tigers and Panzers.

Now, the question I'm actually asking, is whether anyone see's anything wrong with this. Compared to a Leman Russ a £15 Tiger is an absolute bargain, so would people complain if a cheap, "Proxy" so to speak blew away their expensive deathstar unit turn one?

Would I be shunned by other hobbyists because I've decided to take the cheaper route?


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I've fought an army like that before, and didn't really care. The only annoying thing is when you can't tell what each unit is supposed to be, so try to make that clear on the model somehow.

   
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Depends on if your 3rd-party model grants advantages to you because of its different scale (fits through terrain better, gets a better cover-save due to TLOS, etc).

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Yeah, who made the model is far less important than whether or not it is suitabe for the role.

Tanks are a little tricky, because they generally have a very different profile to GW models.

Having said that, a 1:48 Sherman is a pretty close match for a Leman Russ, size-wise, if you bulk it out sideways a little. And obviously the guns are a little smaller...



 
   
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Wisbech

Well, I really want to create my own 40k Panzer battalion using scale ww2 kits and guard. Obviously findinf third party arms for the guard too...

Does anyone think a Tiger or Panther would be too big or small?
   
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Going by this page, 1:35 is way too big for either of those tanks.

1:48 would probably be closer in length, but would be narrower and shorter, on a guess.

 
   
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Thanks to GW's odd scaling. 1:48 is a much better fit. However, I would be a bit worried about the profile of Panzers. Panzers tended to be more low than per say a Leman Russ (which, to give you an idea, is a bit taller than a Leopard 2). American Shermans would fit the bill a bit closer

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Some people would shun you ...(because they have invested all their money in GW mandollies they expect the same of you) however, As long as the proxie is clear, I would have no issue with it.

I think that GW price increases will raise the incedence of these type of armies in 40k. Not a bad thing in my eyes, as it will hopefully help motivate GW to curb the exponential growth of their prices.

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 LazzurusMan wrote:
Well, next week I plan to start a new detachment of Imperial guard, and for both financial and aesthetic reasons I'm planning to use other scale models for my tanks etc, such as 1/35 scale Tigers and Panzers.

Now, the question I'm actually asking, is whether anyone see's anything wrong with this. Compared to a Leman Russ a £15 Tiger is an absolute bargain, so would people complain if a cheap, "Proxy" so to speak blew away their expensive deathstar unit turn one?

Would I be shunned by other hobbyists because I've decided to take the cheaper route?


I shall leave it at that for now and let dakka tear me apart, then pick at what's left for the next few days

Check with the guys you will be playing with and see what they say.

Random people on the internet cannot tell what your store will think.

Either way, make sure the rule of cool is on your side, and since you're using WWII Germans, you'll need to put some effort in. Don't be lazy and just have regular infantry with bolt action rifles. Take the effort to buy proper "lasgun" arms like from victoria lamb or max mini so they look the part. Things like meltas and plasma should be faithfully represented by the actual bit or something that looks very close, etc. etc.

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Wisbech

After a quick look...the majority of my army now will be max mini, victoria mini's and cheap tank kits XD


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Dammit, just realised the victorian arms from victoria are 30mm...would they fit/work with 28mm torso's?

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Yes, they are designed to work with GW plastic cadians as well as her own stuff.


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Wisbech

I don't actually intent to buy any cadians now. I love the greatcoats from Max Mini, would they fit them?

(Sorry for asking so many questions)
   
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Normally most people I play with at the FLGS don't have problems with non-GW models (as long as you convert them up with GW bits to make them fit the universe).

TONS of people buy scale WWII stuff to mock us as tanks for guard. The only bad thing about running WWII scale tanks as Russ's is that you can't ever run them with sponsons.
   
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Cheesedoodler wrote:
Normally most people I play with at the FLGS don't have problems with non-GW models (as long as you convert them up with GW bits to make them fit the universe).

TONS of people buy scale WWII stuff to mock us as tanks for guard. The only bad thing about running WWII scale tanks as Russ's is that you can't ever run them with sponsons.


sure you can, just make armor skirts for the tread areas, and that will give you plenty of space to mount sponsons, did this with a bunch of 1/35th scale PZIII J models, and made the sponsons more in the style of the ones on a predator, looked cool and worked well.

That being said, I also enlarge the barrel and bulked up the turret, in the end it was londer than a russ and wider, but about the same height, so no advantage for all the worriers out there

Just put work into the converting and painting, do not even field unpainted fully unconverted non-gw models, go the extra mile and people will generally have a favorable response.

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I would really not care if it were a proxy for something like a leman russ (Unless of course it was the size of a say, peanut).
But if it was a proxy for any of the artillery tanks (Basilisk, Medusa, Griffon etc..) and it was of very low profile,
then i'd be pissed because barrage weapons don't require line of sight.

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I intend to use Marder III's for Basilisks...which are pretty much a cheaper and historic version of the armagedon pattern basilisks from forge world XD

And nothing will be unpainted. Conversion work will be minimal on the vehicals though. Maybe some Armour here or there, a vox, some 40k stowage?
   
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I toyed with marder III and wespes, but found both of them kinda irked some of the more by the book crowd due to their size, ( they are quite a bit slimmer and shorter than actual basilisk models) at least in 1/35th scale, so I decided to upscale to a hummel, and bulk it up a bit, was almost the same footprint.

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Wisbech

Ah, I'd forgotten about that, I'll have to use them then.

And another tank I've realised I can use is the Sturmpanzer Bison. Would make a perfect version of the little mortar tank or the big one.
   
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I'd say no, for things like that tank. A leman russ is a leman russ not a tiger tank. The same goes for using a box of army men for guardsmen is just as bad.

Non GW stuff are ok if they are part of the model, say using a female commisar or something based on a non GW model.

 
   
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Me, I wouldn't give a damn if you showed up with only WW2 tanks, but I'm not in the same country as you, much less your LFGS.

However, you seem to be really excited and commited with this project, so it seems you'll give it your best, not some half-assed attempt just to save some cash. I doubt many can say no to a game when they see your IG.

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Depends on where you got it, and where you were from, and what the situation is. For tournament play, you need to have Games Workshop stuff. Engaging in competitive play without supporting the company isn't okay, in my opinion. Friendly play, however, you can rock on! (As a side note, if you'd spent MORE money on a cooler model, or had modified it after-market with GW bits, I would probably look the other way if I were a TO. ) That being said, if you are a local player, I would personally disapprove if you weren't supporting our local game store.

Most games you play would only ever be friendly games anyway, so I would totally go for it! Good luck, and I hope it works out for you!

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MrMoustaffa wrote:Random people on the internet cannot tell what your store will think.


This. It comes down to your particular group/area. Some groups will be fine with it, some won't.

There are only three rules I try to live by for proxies, or more accurately, alternate models.
-Make it match the dimensions of what you are re[;acomg. If the dimensions are off, make sure that the advantage goes to your opponent. i.e. Taller is fine as it's easier for your opponent to see you. Higher weapons are questionable as it makes it easier for your to shoot over cover.
-Make it match WYSIWYG for weapons, weapon positions and general armored-ness
-Paint it. If you're going to expect your opponent to accept your alternate models, at least show that you're

As an example, I'm modeling some Squat Rhinos from toy m113's that are aprox 1/48. The lenght and height are the same, but they're a bit narrower, so I plan to put on some stowage and thicker hatches to widen the profile a bit. Also, you can be that when I field it, it will be properly painted and converted.

LazzurusMan wrote:After a quick look...the majority of my army now will be max mini, victoria mini's and cheap tank kits XD
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Dammit, just realised the victorian arms from victoria are 30mm...would they fit/work with 28mm torso's?


Unfortunately, 30mm is a measurement that get's used interchangeably with 28mm. In the case of Victoria miniatures, they are the same height, but actually touch slimmer than Caidans. What this means is that Victoria arms, heads ,legs etc look great on Cadian figs, but Cadian arms look just a bit bulky on Victoria torsos. Do a search on google and you can find lots of examples of Victoria parts mixed with GW.

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Depends. Here's my personal requirements.

Is it the right size?
Can I tell what it should be?
Is there a clearly defined difference between the different Lemon Rush variants?
Is it painted?
Did you read the rulebook?

If there are at least 3 yeses, I'd play you.
   
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Of course yes! Why ever not?
   
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I like to use some of the cooler 28mm models, even if they are not GW,


around here, in tournaments, or basically anything that isnt a GW store, go for it,

as long as it looks cool, and looks like what it should be, go for it


heck even in the stores around here, as long as *most* of the army is GW, and its not super obvious that other brand sare used, you usually can.

ask the people you play with though, some groups are anal about that kind of thing, some are not

 
   
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easysauce wrote:
as long as it looks cool, and looks like what it should be, go for it

Oh yeah, we're all forgetting the biggest rule!

The Rule of Cool!
   
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Generally, I'd make sure of a few things

- Use GW weapons. WYSIWYG is standard in most gaming groups, and so you really should use the correct weapons.

- Make sure it's roughly the same size. If it's much bigger/smaller/longer, then it might be easier/harder for it to get cover saves, and that will annoy your opponents.

- Don't just use an unconverted WWII tank - make it look cool and '40k-ish' - people will be much more friendly towards the models if they look cool.

   
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easysauce wrote:
as long as it looks cool, and looks like what it should be, go for it

Oh yeah, we're all forgetting the biggest rule!

The Rule of Cool!


Rule of Cool ^^^

And make sure the sizes are close so people don't think you are MFA or in this case substituting other models for advantage.

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 Jimsolo wrote:
D For tournament play, you need to have Games Workshop stuff.


That depends on the tournament. But more and more tournaments these days do not require GW models, due to GW no longer supporting them.

 
   
 
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