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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 16:47:46
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Potent Possessed Daemonvessel
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Conjecture.
I did and it says that he is doing psychic battle with the blade at all times, indicating that he is still battling him even when his Aegis is down. And that is why Grey Knights are incorruptible - because with the Aegis they have very strong psychic shield that they create from their own psychic power. The only way for Chaos to corrupt them is to offer them prices if they do - like they did to certain Primarchs to corrupt them. And sice Grey Knights live only for two things - war against Chaos and Emperor, we will never see Grey Knight falling to Chaos mentally.
It also says he carries it because he is the "most incorruptible dude out of the most incorruptible dudes from a group of already incorruptible dudes". Once you apply a gradient to something that is absolute, it is no longer absolute.
Now give me a proff of Grey Knight falling to Chaos.
This "mysterious knight" cannot possibly be Draigo, Kelly is not that stupid to wreck some of the basic 40k lore.
Draigo is far from "basic 40K lore", he is one of the setting's most egregious mistakes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 16:49:54
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Actually, I think it is a marine of one of the 'Knight' chapters, like the Knights of Blood (although those would be Khornate  ).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 16:52:26
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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pretre wrote:@BCA: That simply indicates that none have fallen yet.
"making him immune to corruption"
Would this not mean that they would be immune to corruption and therefore, never be corrupted?
Iranna.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 18:20:55
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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It's Draigo, and in the next GK dex when you face an army with a daemon in it he might randomly join your army. When he takes a wound you roll on a random chart to see what slaaneshi power he gains.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 20:27:10
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Goat wrote:It's Draigo, and in the next GK dex when you face an army with a daemon in it he might randomly join your army. When he takes a wound you roll on a random chart to see what slaaneshi power he gains. If Draigo joins your Daemon army, roll a D6 and consult the following chart: 1 - Lol, jk, Draigo rejoins the GKs. 2 - You get a free Land Raider in your army. 3 - Randomly pick a model in your army and give him a meltagun. 4 - Siesta! Everyone falls asleep for an entire game turn. 5 - You get a free cookie! To redeem, show this chart and your roll to the nearest store that sells cookies*. 6 - You win the game, the game after the game after this game, and the game you'll play 5 years to this day 17 months ago. *Only redeemable at Games Workshop stores. One redemption gets you a free** Finecookie™. **£25.99
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 20:51:59
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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If Imperial Guard is so good, why spent the resources on SM? Automatically Appended Next Post: Omegus wrote: Draigo is far from "basic 40K lore", he is one of the setting's most egregious mistakes. I didn't meant Draigo - I meant Grey Knight falling to temptation to Chaos.
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The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 20:54:18
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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My guess is Kelly saw what an abomination Draigo is from fluff perspective, and threw the fanbase a bone with this little tidbit that wouldn't get noticed by GW or ruffle feathers even if it did.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 20:56:27
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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I don't have the codex in front of me but I do think it flat out says GKs are incorruptible. Especially Purifiers who are incorrupltible x2.
It was like a minor retcon. Before the last 'dex a GK had never fallen because of the way they live their lives. The sacrifices they make and the strength of their character.
Then in the new codex they're incorrupltible...just cuz they are dude.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 20:59:36
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Ok I have just read the story and that is definitely not Draigo nor Grey Knight. It sounds like he was Space Marine Captain, probably from Knights of Blood as noobbomb have said ( silver armor after all, Grey Knight armor is not silver ).
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The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 21:03:50
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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It's pretty silver. So the description is a silver knight wandering the warp? I can see why some suspect Mr. Draigo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 21:04:41
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Am I blind now? It is silver.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 21:15:48
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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It has been descibed as both steel grey and silver grey.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 21:29:57
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I can see how someone would call that "silver".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/05 22:08:57
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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The story goes like this: -Slaanesh remember many things but the most notable thing he remembers is wandering Adeptus Astartes knight who entered his realm. ( out of all things in existence Slaanesh remembers this most notably ). -The knight first go trough garden full of genstones and gold coins. He ignores them and go away. -Next the knight enter a garden full of lakes of vine and a giants that form a bridges with their fans. There he could see many mortals drinking in banquet. He is disgusted to see that they drink even when their insides are already full of vine and food, he continues... -Next he enters a garden of 'sexual pleasure' ( garden full of hot babes ), there he allowed himself to experience sexual pleasure as he close his eyes and gives up to the temptation while Daemonetes talk to his ear to give up fully for more pleasure that he ca ever dream off, he regain himself shortly after and kill all daemonettes around himself. He continues... Here it is stated that he is "stroking in silver armor" -Next he enters new garden adn find himself on a balcony, from there in front of him stood Space Marine army so wast that you cannot count it ( Legion? ) calling for him to lead them into conquest. On the other two balconies around him stood various planetary Governors and even High Lords of Terra, praising him for his deeds and asking them to give a speech. He then saw a ruler of his own planet before he became Adeptus Astartes, he get close to him and look into his eyes, in them he only saw what Imperium today is - "eternal nagging paranoia, gnawing suspicion and hidden doubts that were acid to the soul" ( actual quote ), He then 'sadly" ( actual quite ) shake his head and go on... -Next he goes trough a garden where he see himself battling daemons, he is presented like "shinning saint with his face serene adn his sword bloodied after battle with red-skinned Daemons" ( actual quote ). Here he "turn away, troubled" ( actual quote ). Next he see people getting tortured ( figures staring intently into mirror pools of their own, each held immobile by the undergrowth as whispering thorns insinuated themselves into their flesh ) and he then "turns his mind to the humility of the cell he once called home" ( actual quote )and left. -Finally, after his body was exhausted and calling for rest he arrives before Slaanesh who took form of "young men possessing androgynous beauty - clean limbed and fresh with the vigor of youth" ( actual quote ), the knight raised his sword and tries to strike him but "the god-prince was disarming in his innocence and utterly beguiling in his manner" ( actual quote ), it was then when the knight knelled before Slaanesh and swore loyalty to him. Grey Knights falling before innocence? Not being able to kill innocent looking person? Good try Kelly.... One more thing: there is also a picture of the knight, seen fro ma distance as he stood before Slaanesh domain. Few things here: -If it was not stated so I would never call him Adeptus Astartes, he looks more like planetary Governor, Rough Trader or Inquisitor then a Space Marine. -This picture proves that this is not Draigo as he is probably wearing ordinary power armor ( Draigo is wearing Terminator armor ) as his head is above his shoulders. -He is wearing robes, witch besides captains and Dark Angels very little Chapters carry. All in all - this is definitely not Draigo or Grey Knight for this matter. Aldo Kelly trolled us epically with "wandering knight", "pleasures forbidden in his order" and "silver armor".
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The universe has many horrors yet to throw at us. This is not the end of our struggle. This is just the beginning of our crusade to save Humanity. Be faithful! Be strong! Be vigilant!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 01:09:42
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It should be noted that there's a piece of artwork of the palace of Slaanesh next to this story. Upon closer inspection I notice that the "wandering knight" is in it.
It's a very difficult to make anything out except:
1.) The guy is silver
2.) He has a long dark cloak that drags behind him
3.) He doesn't have any of Draigo's fancy decorations like banners
4.) He has a helmet on
5.) He has a power sword
6.) It's very difficult to make the symbol out on his shoulder. It may be some kind of square with a cross-like thing in the middle. Again very hard to tell.
I have the ipad version so can't save/upload the pic or anything.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 01:22:22
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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I would say the comment about "the cell he once called home" is actually another compelling piece of evidence in favor of it being at least a Grey Knight. As a lengthy portion of their indoctrination takes place in a darkened cell.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 01:28:43
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 01:30:02
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Tzeentch Aspiring Sorcerer Riding a Disc
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There is also the part about GK in the deamon codex a few pages further. Which states: ''...strong enough to resist the temptations of Chaos. Incorruptible, the Grey Knights....''. The idea of a fallen GK is interesting but even the codex itself seems to disprove the GK theory a few pages further up. They could have just reworded it into, as far as it its know, no single GK has fallen. But they didnt pick those words.
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 01:33:01
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Eldarain wrote:I would say the comment about "the cell he once called home" is actually another compelling piece of evidence in favor of it being at least a Grey Knight. As a lengthy portion of their indoctrination takes place in a darkened cell.
Yeah, that too.
As I said there are many references to Grey Knights here, but the fact how he reacted to various temptations proves that he is one one of them.
At least he is not Draigo for sure, other than that I think this was Kelly's intention from the start. He want us to bust our heads into figuring out who is this lone Astartes.
My best bet is still either Silver Skulls captain or Knights of Blood captain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 01:37:52
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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That picture is far too obscure to make much definite conclusions. The thing that looks to be head might as well be the arch that goes over their head in GK terminator armours.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 01:46:28
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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I confirmed the paragraph taht Disciple of Fate refereed to, a secton for Grey knights on page 24 of Chaos Daemons codex. They are indeed incorruptible as the sentence says: "All Grey Knights are psykers who have passed the most rigorous tests and training regimes, ensuring they are both the most elite of warriors and also strong enough to resist the temptations of Chaos. Incorruptible, the Grey Knight scour the galaxy for their daemonic nemesis, a line of shining steel protecting Mankind from darkness of the Warp."
It is said even in Chaos own codex that they are incorruptible, there is nothing more to discuss here. That wandering knight is not Grey Knight - Kelly said it himself in that small paragraph.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 02:02:27
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Crimson wrote:That picture is far too obscure to make much definite conclusions. The thing that looks to be head might as well be the arch that goes over their head in GK terminator armours.
I zoomed in on my ipad. Can see it a lot better then there, but still too obscure to make anything definite yes...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 02:02:42
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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How can Slaanesh remember anything when s/he exists outside linear time as we understand it?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 02:05:14
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Amaya wrote:How can Slaanesh remember anything when s/he exists outside linear time as we understand it?
You could use the same argument for Tzeentch's schemes. Its a bit of a hole in the background, but its Chaos, so who knows how it works. Maybe s/he updates here calender with the help of cultists in the materium
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 02:43:52
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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That's it - end of imperium is coming, bloody Wolftime - no one can save them from that kind of force....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 02:54:50
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Brother Captain Alexander wrote:I confirmed the paragraph taht Disciple of Fate refereed to, a secton for Grey knights on page 24 of Chaos Daemons codex. They are indeed incorruptible as the sentence says: "All Grey Knights are psykers who have passed the most rigorous tests and training regimes, ensuring they are both the most elite of warriors and also strong enough to resist the temptations of Chaos. Incorruptible, the Grey Knight scour the galaxy for their daemonic nemesis, a line of shining steel protecting Mankind from darkness of the Warp."
It is said even in Chaos own codex that they are incorruptible, there is nothing more to discuss here. That wandering knight is not Grey Knight - Kelly said it himself in that small paragraph.
Watching people tear apart language and imagery to get at the "truth" of a fictional universe that has been clearly presented in as evocative a manner as possible, with all the compassion and understanding of a RAW vs RAI rules argument, makes the writer in me cry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 03:19:45
Subject: Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Eldarain wrote:I would say the comment about "the cell he once called home" is actually another compelling piece of evidence in favor of it being at least a Grey Knight. As a lengthy portion of their indoctrination takes place in a darkened cell.
Actually all space marines live in cells, it's the whole monastic thing (since space marines are "warrior monks" fluff-wise). But yes, the premise that it might be draigo is hilarious.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 03:30:26
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Amaya wrote:How can Slaanesh remember anything when s/he exists outside linear time as we understand it?
How could s/he not remember everything existing like that? He remembers his own birth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 03:42:01
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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How can you remember something that you are constantly experiencing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/06 03:43:31
Subject: Re:Kaldor Draigo, Champion of Slaanesh?
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Amaya wrote:How can you remember something that you are constantly experiencing?
For a god, it is possible. Your feeble mortal mind just can't grasp it.
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