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If you exist at all times then memory is pointless.

It would be better to say that it is impossible for someone who exists in linear time can not grasp nonlinear existence.

Wait wait wait so The gk fanboys defense has become it can't possibly be Draigo because the guy in the picture has silver armor, cloak, and a helmet....have you guys ever even owned a Draigo model?? Last I checked he posses all of those things.

Their argument has now fallen on that grey knight armor is grey silver not silver silver, IT CANT BE HIM!!! LOL what a joke fanboys are

Or the argument that new fluff overrules old fluff correct? Daemonhunter fluff < GK fluff ? But o wait what's after that.... < Daemon fluff, though I'm guessing most people who actually remember when their was codex Daemonhunters are the ones not agreeing with this fanboy ignorance, and remember a time when gw made ambiguous fluff and not herp Derp Derp my army is invincible fluff you couldn't possibly do anything makes is lose

 Amaya wrote:
How can you remember something that you are constantly experiencing?

Once again, how can you not? Are you not aware of what you're doing right now?

BAH! I'm not a big fan of the Grey Knights, but the Grey Knights codex states that Draigo endures, and until something explicitly states otherwise, then he endures.

 Arthas367 wrote:
Wait wait wait so The gk fanboys defense has become it can't possibly be Draigo because the guy in the picture has silver armor, cloak, and a helmet....have you guys ever even owned a Draigo model?? Last I checked he posses all of those things.

Their argument has now fallen on that grey knight armor is grey silver not silver silver, IT CANT BE HIM!!! LOL what a joke fanboys are

Or the argument that new fluff overrules old fluff correct? Daemonhunter fluff < GK fluff ? But o wait what's after that.... < Daemon fluff, though I'm guessing most people who actually remember when their was codex Daemonhunters are the ones not agreeing with this fanboy ignorance, and remember a time when gw made ambiguous fluff and not herp Derp Derp my army is invincible fluff you couldn't possibly do anything makes is lose

At least the Grey Knight fb give links to fluff to prove their own statements while other people who cannot accept that they are wrong just call them fanboys and blind to the truth when in fact they cannot accept that they are wrong and blame others in any way possible. I still didn't read anywhere that Grey Knight has fallen to Chaos, it is written in both GK and now CD codex that they cannot fall to Chaos. Now can you 'reasonable people' show me a fluff proof that tells us otherwise?

Didn't think so....

From the pic we can see a psychic hood/aegis, a cloak and a big ass sword, the hood matches the style of grey knights, but also matches the style of the dv liby, the cloak doesn't look like draigos but it's possible, the sword is big enough, where is the storm shield?

Some of the first DA were knights, right?

 Formosa wrote:
From the pic we can see a psychic hood/aegis, a cloak and a big ass sword, the hood matches the style of grey knights, but also matches the style of the dv liby, the cloak doesn't look like draigos but it's possible, the sword is big enough, where is the storm shield?

For aslong as he's been in their its quite possible it was destroyed/lost as the same happened to his sword.

As far BCA is concerned your correct no GK had fallen until about 3 days or so ago, don't think gw is going to bother rewriting a 2 year old dex to reflect an ambiguous story about a mostly unused character as of 6th. But I can most definitely give page numbers from the actual Daemonhunters book showing that there's nothing more than faith and will that protects them from the preditations of the warp (and helpinghands from various items, etc.)

The only "evidence" you have provided is rereading excerpts that have been explicitly made ambiguous, so what point or argument are you making besides this says here I'm right your wrong, while you hold your hands infront of your eyes to everything everyone has said or proved?
Your only argument stands that the book says they can't so that must be true, my book also tells me Maugan Ra stopped a tyranid invasion single handedly, and that Imperial Inquisitors are wouldn't dare act up inside our black library for fear of reprisal .

Your cement is nowhere near concrete yet, your going to have to give us more than grey silver doesn't equal silver, upon first glance and further inspection the majority of our community believes it to be Draigo, all signs point to him, find real proof such as a description of iconography , chapter markings, anything that without shadow of a doubt proves it to not be a GK, namely the one who's been wandering the warp
.

And if you can't then you haven't swayed anyone, and the vocal majority will make it Draigo, whether your fanboyism allows you to recognize it or not, so find a new point besides codex say it can't happen because as of now it did,

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Some of the first DA were knights, right?

Dark Angels are knights, albeit rather sinister ones.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Some of the first DA were knights, right?

Dark Angels are knights, albeit rather sinister ones.

Somewhat OT, but those models are beast magnetize them for best effect, I always got the feel that Dark Angels were a mix of Monastic order/ Dark ages European/ with a touch of Spanish inquisition

From all the examination of the picture there is one detail I didn't see anyone mention, that isn't Terminator Armour, the proportions of it fit power armour, but not terminator.

Also as to the Changelings story, it supports the statement that no Grey Knight has ever fallen to Chaos, the seed he planted may one day result in Brother Brutus falling, but so far all available direct data says no GK has ever fallen.

Actually crash it does have the proportions of termy armour from other artwork, go look at the termies in the background of azraels artwork, the aegis on the deamon artwork also matches gk imagery, sorry bud but your wrong on this.

I do agree it's not.draigo though, I just think your reasoning is incorrect as you have not seen the artwork from other books maybe.

 Arthas367 wrote:

As far BCA is concerned your correct no GK had fallen until about 3 days or so ago, don't think gw is going to bother rewriting a 2 year old dex to reflect an ambiguous story about a mostly unused character as of 6th. But I can most definitely give page numbers from the actual Daemonhunters book showing that there's nothing more than faith and will that protects them from the preditations of the warp (and helpinghands from various items, etc.)
The only "evidence" you have provided is rereading excerpts that have been explicitly made ambiguous, so what point or argument are you making besides this says here I'm right your wrong, while you hold your hands infront of your eyes to everything everyone has said or proved?
Your only argument stands that the book says they can't so that must be true, my book also tells me Maugan Ra stopped a tyranid invasion single handedly, and that Imperial Inquisitors are wouldn't dare act up inside our black library for fear of reprisal.
Your cement is nowhere near concrete yet, your going to have to give us more than grey silver doesn't equal silver, upon first glance and further inspection the majority of our community believes it to be Draigo, all signs point to him, find real proof such as a description of iconography , chapter markings, anything that without shadow of a doubt proves it to not be a GK, namely the one who's been wandering the warp.
And if you can't then you haven't swayed anyone, and the vocal majority will make it Draigo, whether your fanboyism allows you to recognize it or not, so find a new point besides codex say it can't happen because as of now it did.

LOL, what's with all the wish to corrupt the stell blue armor guys? Nevermind...
A real proof you say? What about entry for Grey Knights in the same codex just few pages later? The one you didn't bother to read even if I typed it like a page before...

You can clearly see that it is written "incorruptible" in Daemon's own codex, there is nothing more to discuss here.
Now please stop trolling.

Hahaha...you got them there, Captain.

No he hasn't, that bit of fluff isn't written from the gk perspective, therefore it's an opinion of the in universe narrator.

Grey knights are 100% not incorruptible, there own book shows us this with the blood tide, if.they were totally incorruptible, why murder the sisters, also all the gk books would suck as there is no moral dilemma.

I still agree that pic isn't draigo though.

 Formosa wrote:
No he hasn't, that bit of fluff isn't written from the gk perspective, therefore it's an opinion of the in universe narrator.

Who is also the one writing 40k fluff and thus establish official canon so your point is invalid.

Grey knights are 100% not incorruptible, there own book shows us this with the blood tide, if.they were totally incorruptible, why murder the sisters, also all the gk books would suck as there is no moral dilemma.

This was covered ages ago, Bloodtide is a machine from Dark Age of Technology that makes you blood boil and you literally drown in your own blood. The machine was discovered and used by Chaos, twice. First time it was repelled by Raven Guard and second time it was Grey Knights. Grey Kngihts knew that they will not be protected as they probably had reports that machine is able to boil even resistant Astartes blood. So they killed Sistes in hope that their losses will not be great and that they will get to the machine in time. What happened is that didn't;t work and they suffered high casualties before they were able to shut it down and destroy it for good ( it is stated in daemon codex that they suffered high losses ).
What happened is superstition, GK killed Sisters and bathe in their blood in hope that will protect them for good. Unfortunately while that protection is good against Chaos it does almost nothing to technology and as a result they suffered heavy casualties themselves. So Sisters died for nothing, cute Grimdark.

And I think that Lynatta said that everything written count as a fluff and it is valid, GW writers said that themselves. So if this paragraph from the official, newest codex says that then it must be true - until rewritten in the future.

Statements that say "it is not true" just because it destroys your dreams of corrupted GK is quite immature and should be ignored.

In the Grey Knights omnibus, Justicar Alaric spends a lot of time worrying about whether he could be the first grey knight to fall.

If it wasn't possible, he wouldn't have been worried.

All the fluff I've seen makes me think none of them have fallen yet, but that it is possible. If they couldn't fail, they'd be awful to write for.

PredaKhaine wrote:
In the Grey Knights omnibus, Justicar Alaric spends a lot of time worrying about whether he could be the first grey knight to fall.

If it wasn't possible, he wouldn't have been worried.

All the fluff I've seen makes me think none of them have fallen yet, but that it is possible. If they couldn't fail, they'd be awful to write for.

Yeah, except he just goes mad rather than be corrupted. And remember this: "Thras'kleya'thall'gryaa'akthe'landra..."

Yep, he doesn't fall in that book. He does worry about it though.

Ghargatuloth's true name wasn't it? I swear that name took up most of the book

PredaKhaine wrote:
In the Grey Knights omnibus, Justicar Alaric spends a lot of time worrying about whether he could be the first grey knight to fall.

He was worried because he let the daemon invade his mind just so that he could read his, learn daemon's real name and banish him by using it.
It is possible to became corrupted if you willingly give yourself to the corruption, with grey Knights that is almost impossible giving how they are trained to resist every kind of emotion and pleasure that would bind them to ordinary men. Chaos simply has nothing to offer them to corrupt them and that is why they are incorruptible.

At least that is true for their mind and soul, as for their bodies it's totally different story.

 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
In the Grey Knights omnibus, Justicar Alaric spends a lot of time worrying about whether he could be the first grey knight to fall.

He was worried because he let the daemon invade his mind just so that he could read his, learn daemon's real name and banish him by using it.
It is possible to became corrupted if you willingly give yourself to the corruption, with grey Knights that is almost impossible giving how they are trained to resist every kind of emotion and pleasure that would bind them to ordinary men. Chaos simply has nothing to offer them to corrupt them and that is why they are incorruptible.

At least that is true for their mind and soul, as for their bodies it's totally different story.

In general,I see it as no Grey Knights have fallen as they are vigilant against chaos in all it's forms. If they couldn't be corrupted (as in not possible), then why worry?

Hold up folks! It wasn't Ghargatuloth who invaded his mind, and it's True Name was uncovered by that female Inquisitor who sadly got corrupted in the process. Only Alaric proved willing to take the risk and trust her ravings enough to gamble that said ravings were actually Ghargatuloth's True Name (really long apparently, I just gave the first few syllables which were all that were given by the author). The one who invaded his mind and drove him insane was that small-fry Daemon in the third novel. I especially loves this part:

Tzeentch: Raezazel. You promised me souls. You promised me the faithful. You have failed me.

The fact that old man Tzeentch is so calm while saying this makes it all the more amusing...except for Raezazel of course

PredaKhaine wrote:

In general,I see it as no Grey Knights have fallen as they are vigilant against chaos in all it's forms. If they couldn't be corrupted (as in not possible), then why worry?

He doesn't need to worry, he just does. He's quite young (for an Astartes/Grey Knight), remember? That youth and relative inexperience is why the Grand Masters don't want to make him a Brother-Captain yet despite his talents.

Captain: pot calling.kettle what?

Deathwing terminators are the best terminators in the galaxy.

Gk terminators are the best in the galaxy.

We know gk ones are infact the best, the in universe narrator does not, he does not know gk exist, so from his perspective he is correct.

That fluff snippet is exactly the same, the in universe narrator says gk are incorruptible, we know this is not the case, they can be corrupted, but non have thus far, but as far as he knows they cannot.

Also captain, calling someone immature to try and back your argument.. Well I will leave that with you.

That's the point Incorruptable is used more figuratively, but apparently I'm trolling when theirs specific instances of them worrying about corruption, I noted the sisters incident in my first post

BCA do you have any sort of proof to back up the bloodtide being a machine and not Daemonic reality warping? Because if memory recalls their is a apocolypse formation of old called the Khorne maelstrom of gore which matches this description, and all the talk about it being one and the same as the Dark Age of technogly machine it shares a name with is purely conjecture.

Existence of Purifiers in undeniable proof against the incorruptabilty of Grey Knights. If they all would be utterly incorruptable, it would be impossible for select few among them to be even more incorruptable.

 Arthas367 wrote:

BCA do you have any sort of proof to back up the bloodtide being a machine and not Daemonic reality warping? Because if memory recalls their is a apocolypse formation of old called the Khorne maelstrom of gore which matches this description, and all the talk about it being one and the same as the Dark Age of technogly machine it shares a name with is purely conjecture.

I read the original novel, but to make story short you can read it here.
Off course the Lexicanum is wrong here on one accaunt - the Battle Sisters that Grey Knight killed were not corrupted, it was written that their blood was pure and thus not corrupted.

I call nonsense on the idea that GK are incorruptible. The codex, like all codexs, is written from the point of view of the faction. GK are perfect, Chaos is the only true force and all will fall to it, Eldar are just better than the other weak races, Tau are the one true hope for the world (and don't at all have a bad side. Honest).

The only one without bias is Orks, but only they agree with everyone else that Orks love fighting and that is all they want.

Personaly I think it MIGHT be Draigo. It may not be, but I think there is a good chance it is. It is definitely not a DA, because what kind of story would that be? Mysterious DA falls to chaos (See DA codex and The Fall for full details). I doubt very much it is one of the minor chapters. Again, not realy much of a story.

What points to being Draigo the most to me is the fact that the story is written.

Space Marine falls to chaos. That is a Dog bites Man story.
Draigo falls to chaos. That is a Man bites Dog story.

There is nothing stoping Draigo falling to chaos appart from some GK fluff saying they are incorruptible, yet how can some GKs be more incorruptible than others? The fluff says that incorruptible is not strictly true.

 Crimson wrote:
Existence of Purifiers in undeniable proof against the incorruptabilty of Grey Knights. If they all would be utterly incorruptable, it would be impossible for select few among them to be even more incorruptable.

Purifiers are not literally more corruptible. Just mentally stronger/dedicated to keep whatever it is in that haunted mountain of theirs chained. I bet it's Horus

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Existence of Purifiers in undeniable proof against the incorruptabilty of Grey Knights. If they all would be utterly incorruptable, it would be impossible for select few among them to be even more incorruptable.

Purifiers are not literally more corruptible. Just mentally stronger/dedicated to keep whatever it is in that haunted mountain of theirs chained. I bet it's Horus

Oooooooh I like that idea, lorgar would be better though right?

"Rather, Purifies recruit only from those amongst their Battle-Brothers whose souls are considered to be utterly incorruptible and resistant to the the temptations of the warp – even by the exacting standards of the Grey Knights."

This makes only sense if all of their Battle-Brothers are, in fact, not incorruptible. Further more, note the use of word 'considered'; this is just what the Purifiers think, it is not certain that even they are actually incorruptible.