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So I recently picked up a box of bloodcrushers and a box of skullcrushers and noticed that they have different base sizes. I was wondering if I'd be called out if I bought the monstrous cav bases that came with the skullcrushers to mount my bloodcrushers on. I think the difference is 50mm wide down to 40mm wide? The juggers are essentially the same thing size wise right?

You have to use the base the miniature came with. No exceptions.

 Sigvatr wrote:
You have to use the base the miniature came with. No exceptions.

Strictly speaking yes, and certainly at tourneys this is very much the case. personally i would argue you gain no real benefit from changing it to make models rank up properly.

I did this with my archaon so he ranked up in a skullcrushers unit properly. also the unit type is still monsterous cav, all MC bar mournfang are now supplied on these bases so i see no problem with it.

Except there are rules covering when models of different footprints are in the same unit.

Stick with the bases supplied.

 mixer86 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
You have to use the base the miniature came with. No exceptions.

Strictly speaking yes, and certainly at tourneys this is very much the case. personally i would argue you gain no real benefit from changing it to make models rank up properly.

I did this with my archaon so he ranked up in a skullcrushers unit properly. also the unit type is still monsterous cav, all MC bar mournfang are now supplied on these bases so i see no problem with it.

You decrease the length of your flank by 20%. To me, that's cheating. Plus, there's rules for different base sizes right in the BRB.

They go on the base they are supplied with, Archaon comes with a 50mm square base. If he's not on that you are breaking the rules.

Skullcrushers come on 50x75mm bases. if they arn't on those bases you are breaking the rules.

I mean - in a friendly it's up to your opponent. Tell him you're using a different base and ask whether that's ok for him, if not, clip a small piece of paper under your unit. After all, it's just 1cm, but that might be the last cm that's not looking out behind a wall and thus does not allow a charge.

Or make the difference between one more column of enemy attacks in your flank.

And you have less surface area for scattering blasts to hit.



Its not really going to matter in 90% of your games, but then again there's a lot of things that only happen 10% of the time.

sorry, I just posted a similar topic above this.

Its not that cut and dry in the hBloodcrushers case imo.

Blood crushers came on 50mm square to begin with, but now I think theyve GW change d their packaging or something, either that, the website is wrong

My Bloodcrushers didn't come supplied with any bases period. I have them on 60mm round bases at the moment and want to convert them to fantasy. There are two different sizes of fantasy bases for bloodcrushers.

they came with 50mm square origianally, but now I think they come with 50x75mm bases. I already have 15 of them so I'm not going to buy more to find out what type of base they come on.

They look better on the bigger bases, but came on smaller to begin with. Does anyone know what the official size of base is now? That's my question.

As I posted in the other thread, it's not a matter of cheating or not cheating, mine didn't come with fantasy bases when I bought them adn have used them for 40k for years How do I know what the right size is?

The correct size is always the one miniatures come with.

Right now, if you field Bloodcrushers in WHFB, you have to use the 50mmx75mm bases.

This thread right here is the reason I miss the old Base Size PDF.

 Sigvatr wrote:
The correct size is always the one miniatures come with.

Right now, if you field Bloodcrushers in WHFB, you have to use the 50mmx75mm bases.

And what if he has some of the old metal bloodcrushers, are they suddenly illegal because they came on a 50x50 base.

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The correct size is always the one miniatures come with.

Right now, if you field Bloodcrushers in WHFB, you have to use the 50mmx75mm bases.

And what if he has some of the old metal bloodcrushers, are they suddenly illegal because they came on a 50x50 base.

It's up to the TO, but I'd say yes.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The correct size is always the one miniatures come with.

Right now, if you field Bloodcrushers in WHFB, you have to use the 50mmx75mm bases.

And what if he has some of the old metal bloodcrushers, are they suddenly illegal because they came on a 50x50 base.

It's up to the TO, but I'd say yes.

Id say no. Because I have 8 of them....

Camarodragon wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The correct size is always the one miniatures come with.

Right now, if you field Bloodcrushers in WHFB, you have to use the 50mmx75mm bases.

And what if he has some of the old metal bloodcrushers, are they suddenly illegal because they came on a 50x50 base.

It's up to the TO, but I'd say yes.

Id say no. Because I have 8 of them....

That's a shame because Tournaments etc dont allow so due the current is the right one.
It's like saying because you have the old armybook but you dont want to use the new one.

Cheap way to make those bases use movement trays you havent had used.
Thin wood blocks and cut it the right size.

You dont have to buy the GW ones aslong it's the right size it's all good.

Well in 40k tourneys it's never been a problem to use the old smaller vehicles, so i don't see how fantasy bases would be different.

Camarodragon wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 HoverBoy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The correct size is always the one miniatures come with.

Right now, if you field Bloodcrushers in WHFB, you have to use the 50mmx75mm bases.

And what if he has some of the old metal bloodcrushers, are they suddenly illegal because they came on a 50x50 base.

It's up to the TO, but I'd say yes.

Id say no. Because I have 8 of them....

Well, I'm coming from a comp point of view...ETC is currently working on an official base size chart so let's hope it gets finished soon

I haven't played 40k, but isn't base size far less relevant in it? Hence round bases etc. The problem for fantasy, as others have said, is that smaller bases prevent your opponent from getting as many models in b2b with yours, or allow you to get extra models in contact with theirs. Neither of these.is fair. Just extend the old bases with wood / offcuts of plastic / cardboard.

 mixer86 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
You have to use the base the miniature came with. No exceptions.

Strictly speaking yes, and certainly at tourneys this is very much the case. personally i would argue you gain no real benefit from changing it to make models rank up properly.

I did this with my archaon so he ranked up in a skullcrushers unit properly. also the unit type is still monsterous cav, all MC bar mournfang are now supplied on these bases so i see no problem with it.

That's not true at all.
If a character doesn't fit, he's got to sit on a outside corner.
If I hit you in the flank that doesn't have him, you can't fight with the character.
If I hit you in the center with a smaller frontage (like a monster or chariot), the character cannot move into a fighting rank. Effectively he's out of the fight. It's a significant drawback to putting a very powerful character in the wrong unit.
Rebasing him is giving you a big advantage that he's not supposed to have.

He's actually supposed to lead chaos knights; he gives them special rules.

-Matt

Although for Archaeon, I presume there is a second base option for the non-mounted version?

Niteware wrote:
Although for Archaeon, I presume there is a second base option for the non-mounted version?

Yeah, you can run him on foot with the 25mm base that he came with (old games day model).

-Matt

 Sigvatr wrote:
The correct size is always the one miniatures come with.

Right now, if you field Bloodcrushers in WHFB, you have to use the 50mmx75mm bases.

No all my blood crushers came with 50x50's 3 boxes.


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HawaiiMatt wrote:

 mixer86 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
You have to use the base the miniature came with. No exceptions.

Strictly speaking yes, and certainly at tourneys this is very much the case. personally i would argue you gain no real benefit from changing it to make models rank up properly.

I did this with my archaon so he ranked up in a skullcrushers unit properly. also the unit type is still monsterous cav, all MC bar mournfang are now supplied on these bases so i see no problem with it.

That's not true at all.
If a character doesn't fit, he's got to sit on a outside corner.
If I hit you in the flank that doesn't have him, you can't fight with the character.
If I hit you in the center with a smaller frontage (like a monster or chariot), the character cannot move into a fighting rank. Effectively he's out of the fight. It's a significant drawback to putting a very powerful character in the wrong unit.
Rebasing him is giving you a big advantage that he's not supposed to have.

He's actually supposed to lead chaos knights; he gives them special rules.

-Matt

Wrong, make way allows you to move him where you want him.


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GW is so full of epic fail.

"This set contains three multi-part plastic Bloodcrushers of Khorne. This 89-piece set includes an assortment of spiky bits, chains and icons to allow you to customise your Bloodcrushers. Also included are all of the components needed to assemble a standard bearer, musician and champion. The set also contains three 60mm round bases and three 50 x 75mm square bases, enabling you to assemble your Bloodcrushers for use in either Warhammer or Warhammer 40,000."

But the boxes of blood crushers come with 50x50 and the pictures on the website are 50x50. Has anyone actually opened a box with 50x75?

Really? They deliver them with 50x50 bases? Dear god, that's hilarious.

they do, I all 3 boxes of mine were 50x50 and my khorne herald on jugernaut was a 50x50 also.

tgf wrote:


Wrong, make way allows you to move him where you want him.

Page 100. Read it.
Make way allows you to displace a command or rank and file model.
Who are you displacing when you are stuck outside a unit?
In fact, Make way even specifically says you can only swap with a model with the same size base.

Do you have another reference?
Take your time. I can wait for the page reference.

-Matt




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tgf wrote:
they do, I all 3 boxes of mine were 50x50 and my khorne herald on jugernaut was a 50x50 also.

Blood Crushers are not Skull Crushers.
Archaon, by design, cannot fit in the Skullcrusher unit. He's stuck on the outside. Rebasing either so that they match is breaking the rules and giving advantages specifically not allowed as per page 100.
Older blood crushers did have 50mm before the new 50x75 model base was made.

-Matt