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 agnosto wrote:
It depends if you consider it an accessory or an "upgrade"; they've got plenty of upgrade sprues.

I don't recall any since 2008. It's a really flimsy argument to base a false hope for new Crisis options around.

 montrano wrote:
It was either this or finish the assignment due today.

Well done. Just need some Necron allies to run the DJ booth.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
It depends if you consider it an accessory or an "upgrade"; they've got plenty of upgrade sprues.

I don't recall any since 2008. It's a really flimsy argument to base a false hope for new Crisis options around.

My, someone is in a dismissive mood today.

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
It depends if you consider it an accessory or an "upgrade"; they've got plenty of upgrade sprues.

I don't recall any since 2008. It's a really flimsy argument to base a false hope for new Crisis options around.

My, someone is in a dismissive mood today.

I'm just telling it like it is. Considering that the human brain is designed for pattern recognition, it always astounds me how people can ignore years of precedence.

Of course, I could be wrong. GW could do a 180 (again) and make an upgrade sprue for the first time in 4 years. And while they're redefining company policy, they might as well lower prices and start announcing new releases months in advance, too.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Rented Tritium wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
It depends if you consider it an accessory or an "upgrade"; they've got plenty of upgrade sprues.

I don't recall any since 2008. It's a really flimsy argument to base a false hope for new Crisis options around.

My, someone is in a dismissive mood today.

I'm just telling it like it is. Considering that the human brain is designed for pattern recognition, it always astounds me how people can ignore years of precedence.

Of course, I could be wrong. GW could do a 180 (again) and make an upgrade sprue for the first time in 4 years. And while they're redefining company policy, they might as well lower prices and start announcing new releases months in advance, too.

We 'ignore' these patterns because we like to hope for change and improvement.
I for one, am sick of plastic kits being missing options from a 'dex, even though they get released at the same time. No excuse for it, IMO.

What recent plastic release hasn't had every option represented?

 tetrisphreak wrote:
What recent plastic release hasn't had every option represented?

Well, the last plastic kit I can remember off the top of my head that didn't represent all options well enough was probably the Razorback. They really should have updated the razorback kit years ago.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
What recent plastic release hasn't had every option represented?

don't know how recent they are, but Grey Hunters still have no flamers or meltaguns

Agreed on the razorback. However in recent kit releases I think GW has really put afieldable options in their boxes.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Agreed on the razorback. However in recent kit releases I think GW has really put afieldable options in their boxes.

I think the last kit that I've personally had my hands on which struck me as having 'plenty of options' was the Space Marine Commander; lots of options! Still missing a couple though, I think.

Rustgob wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:
What recent plastic release hasn't had every option represented?

Well, the last plastic kit I can remember off the top of my head that didn't represent all options well enough was probably the Razorback. They really should have updated the razorback kit years ago.

Both GH and Razorbacks are not recent.

Don't know why this didn't occur to me earlier, but I wonder how convertible the new Broadside is going to be. I've been studying the pic and I have hopes that the railguns are seperate parts enough to mount on his shoulders for the new-meet-old aesthetic. IF I EVER get the flyer or lord stop me an XV-104, dear me the conversion possibilities.

FLYER: Wingtips angle/wingtip missiles, Engine location(?), Tail wings, Extra engines from a D-fish, wing spar mounted Rail CANNONS, Hammerhead dropship mod, twin piranha dropship mod again off the spars, so on and so on.

XV-104......MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....tee hee

lord_blackfang wrote:There's no reason for GW to keep repeating that mistake. Yes, they have to pack drones with the older kits. You'll notice, however, that the slightly newer Piranha already comes with drones on the sprue, so clearly GW has decided quite a while ago that accessory sprues are bad, mmmkay? When was the last time GW made an accessory sprue?

1.) GW doesn't need a reason to repeat mistakes
2.) A lot of accessory sprues are still sold mon the website.
3.) We are discussing the potential on how to keep the old Crisis Suit sprues by just adding one new sprue, that contains some new weapon options and all drone options including shield drones not available in plastic currently but essential for Crisis Suit teams.

lord_blackfang wrote:I'm just telling it like it is. Considering that the human brain is designed for pattern recognition, it always astounds me how people can ignore years of precedence.

Hope this helps your pattern recognition.

A new upgrade sprue and a slight save in money. I rather doubt it.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Archonate wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Archonate wrote:

They've been pounded by Tyranids, and managed to do what the Ultramarines could not.

I'll just not comment on the other stuff, but what? Did you miss the part where Hive Fleet Leviathan isn't around as a Hive Fleet anymore?

Leviathan is on the other side of the galaxy.
Hive fleet Gorgon started as the remnants of Behemoth. The Ultramarines and Imperial Navy were too busy desperately trying not to get wiped out to bother eliminating the entire hive fleet.
So the remnants, with all they had learned from fighting humans, went off to consume world after world until it was back to the size of a Hive Fleet, (renamed Gorgon) which is when it entered Tau space... And was annihilated.

On Topic:
Something about the Fireblade's face looks off... He looks old, but not in a tough, Clint Eastwood way. More like a grumpy, Walter Matthau way... Looks like he's saying "You damn kids left your knife in my rose bushes again!"

Sorry, meant Behemoth, not Leviathan. I keep getting them mixed up.

That said, firstly, Gorgon was smaller than other Hive Fleets and, crucially, the Tau didn't defeat them alone. The Imperial Guard and Navy helped. You conveniently left that out though...

Hive Fleet Gorgon was large enough to be called a Hive Fleet. I think their adaptability made up for the size difference.
I did leave out that IG helped because I don't think it's relevant.
IG+Imperial Navy+Ultramarines versus Behemoth = failure to wipe it out. Whereas IG+Imperial Navy+Ke'lshan Sept = Success. And IG only helped in the very last phase of that war. Though their help was crucial vs. Gorgon, it was also Crucial vs. Behemoth.
My statement just excluded the common denominator.

I have to admit, this is one of many fluff pieces about which I'd love to read in greater detail. I enjoy these sorts of stories. The new fluff alone gets me excited for the Codex.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
It depends if you consider it an accessory or an "upgrade"; they've got plenty of upgrade sprues.

I don't recall any since 2008. It's a really flimsy argument to base a false hope for new Crisis options around.

The broadside upgrade sprue begs to differ.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440292a&prodId=prod1620077a

And the commander upgrade
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440287a&prodId=prod1620079a

That was last year if I recall correctly.

Personally, I have no hope of anything of the nature but they do have a history of doing such things. Admittedly though this was more of a move to finecast than anything else.

You're wrong, I can call it like I see it as well; and without the added snark of self-righteous pedantry.

agnosto wrote:The broadside upgrade sprue begs to differ.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440292a&prodId=prod1620077a

And the commander upgrade
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440287a&prodId=prod1620079a

That was last year if I recall correctly.

Or the Sternguard upgrade sprue released last year, or the Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Imperial Fists, etc. bitz packs.

 Archonate wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Archonate wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Archonate wrote:

They've been pounded by Tyranids, and managed to do what the Ultramarines could not.

I'll just not comment on the other stuff, but what? Did you miss the part where Hive Fleet Leviathan isn't around as a Hive Fleet anymore?

Leviathan is on the other side of the galaxy.
Hive fleet Gorgon started as the remnants of Behemoth. The Ultramarines and Imperial Navy were too busy desperately trying not to get wiped out to bother eliminating the entire hive fleet.
So the remnants, with all they had learned from fighting humans, went off to consume world after world until it was back to the size of a Hive Fleet, (renamed Gorgon) which is when it entered Tau space... And was annihilated.

On Topic:
Something about the Fireblade's face looks off... He looks old, but not in a tough, Clint Eastwood way. More like a grumpy, Walter Matthau way... Looks like he's saying "You damn kids left your knife in my rose bushes again!"

Sorry, meant Behemoth, not Leviathan. I keep getting them mixed up.

That said, firstly, Gorgon was smaller than other Hive Fleets and, crucially, the Tau didn't defeat them alone. The Imperial Guard and Navy helped. You conveniently left that out though...

Hive Fleet Gorgon was large enough to be called a Hive Fleet. I think their adaptability made up for the size difference.
I did leave out that IG helped because I don't think it's relevant.
IG+Imperial Navy+Ultramarines versus Behemoth = failure to wipe it out. Whereas IG+Imperial Navy+Ke'lshan Sept = Success. And IG only helped in the very last phase of that war. Though their help was crucial vs. Gorgon, it was also Crucial vs. Behemoth.
My statement just excluded the common denominator.

I have to admit, this is one of many fluff pieces about which I'd love to read in greater detail. I enjoy these sorts of stories. The new fluff alone gets me excited for the Codex.

The last part where the Hive Fleet had adapted to all known Tau weaponry but couldn't adapt to both Tau and Guard in time? That little detail? And sure, Gorgon had enough to be a "proper" Hive Fleet, but still nowhere near the size of Behemoth.

 Kingsley wrote:

agnosto wrote:The broadside upgrade sprue begs to differ.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440292a&prodId=prod1620077a

And the commander upgrade
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440287a&prodId=prod1620079a

That was last year if I recall correctly.

Or the Sternguard upgrade sprue released last year, or the Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Night Lords, Imperial Fists, etc. bitz packs.

How about Thousand Sons and Noise Marine kits? GW successfully prevented me from ever starting a gigantic Tzeentch army with that crap.

I just saw the video and went to their youtube page. They uploaded it as private to Youtube on the 14th........right around the time the photos started to be leaked...........Where's my tinfoil!!

rohansoldier wrote:

 paulson games wrote:
If you want to put a bit of work into converting you can make due with robed dark angel legs and a lot of cutting to get hakama style pants.




Or if you have some Infinty Yu Jing troops or Musashi, a jewerly saw and dremmel tool you can pieces together other Hakama style pants.

Personally I think the Tau have enough of a hi tech samurai look to them already, but I do really like these conversions, especially the first fire warrior and ethereal!

Good use of the drone top as a samurai hat as well.

If those were the actual GW models, I might buy a bunch of Tau, for use in a better rule system of course.

Finally a bit of love for my Tau, think I may have to invest in a Riptide

That video... now Im all hot and bothered. >_>

"Samurai Tau" seem pretty awful. I mean, everyone is free to convert whatever they want into whatever they want, but to me Tau only have a loose anime/asian vibe (if any) and are primarily meant to have the look of a clean, efficient, "modern" sci-fi army (as opposed to the gothic/steampunk astetices/egyptian/alien ascetic to most of the other races)

 crazyK wrote:


Well done. Just need some Necron allies to run the DJ booth.

I think the New tank commander would work as well...he looks like he is dropping mad beats

Apparently the VX-8 commander is $42 and Farsight is $50.

I want to tell myself that those will never sell for that price. But people always have to prove me wrong.

Get ready to cry out loud:

"via The Astropate: News and Rumors
Codex: Tau Empire: $50.24
Tau Empire Battleforce: $130
Tau Empire XV8 Crisis Battlesuit Team (3): $75
Tau Empire Pathfinder Team (8): $35
Hammerhead: $57.96
Tau Empire Sun Shark Bomber/Razorshark Fighter: $65
Tau Empire XV104 Riptide Battlesuit: $85
Tau Empire XV88 Broadside Battlesuit: $50
Fireblade Cadre: $19.32
Crisis Suit commander: $42.51
Farsight: $50.24
Shi´vre (Finecast) $20.61
Sha´ng (Finecast): $16.75

Shi'vre is the Pathfinder SC, Darkstrider.
Sha'ng is the Tank Commander Longknife."

LoL My Dreamforge Leviathon was cheaper than the Riptide and is posable and a beautiful model. I'm not saying I don't like the Riptide...I guess I'll just have to wait and see what it looks like. They can keep the special characters and commander, I'll just convert my own.

I thought the pathfinders were 10 to a box or am I mis-remembering something?

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Apparently the VX-8 commander is $42 and Farsight is $50.

I want to tell myself that those will never sell for that price. But people always have to prove me wrong.

I for one am willing to pay a high price for a centerpiece model. In fact, if the VX-8 model is cool enough to replace my existing Commander, I consider it a guaranteed purchase.

I love the new models, but good grief the prices are just about out of my reach, and I am not a poor man. I am on the verge of not being able to continue to financially support this game I love so much anymore.

I love that they've at least given us more special characters. I think it's unfortunate that they cost so much, though. Nothing costs less than $35 except the characters.

The riptide looks sweet, but it better come with a bunch of bits. Same with the pathfinders. I think most of us have converted or purchased the old pathfinders by now, so hopefully they come with more than a few new bits and drones. I also hope they allow the new drones to be purchased separately, but sort of doubt that will happen anytime soon if ever.

All told, I just really hope this new book is fun. I don't care if it's broken good or even just on par with the current book, but I want it to be fun to play - that's the point of it all, isn't it?

Thanks for all of the pictures and rumors, fellas. As an avid Tau player, I've been lurking a lot and just wanted to say thank you to everyone that made this thread happen.