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Can a flyer that is currently in hover mode pivot on the spot before it decides to re-enter zooming mode?


Relevant Rules Excertps
"A flyer with the hover type must declare whether it is going to Zoom or Hover before it moves each Movement phase." (Pg 81 BRB)

"Pivoting on the spot alone does not count as moving..." (Pg 71 BRB)

My conclusion is yes, but I would like to know if you guys think I am reading a little too closely into the rules here?

Seems like rule lawyering to me. However RAW is usually gospel, and a quick ctrl+F of the FAQ can't find anything.

People won't be happy, but they don't really have a leg to stand on.

Absolutely.

Pivoting isn't moving, and you declare zooming before you move.

The order of operations:

Pivot->Declare Zoom->Zoom

is just as legal as:

Don't Pivot->Declare Zoom->Zoom

 TheCaptain wrote:
Absolutely.

Pivoting isn't moving, and you declare zooming before you move.

The order of operations:

Pivot->Declare Zoom->Zoom

is just as legal as:

Don't Pivot->Declare Zoom->Zoom

and once your hover mode, can't you just pivot anynumber of times you'd like during the movement? similiar tanks?

 g0atsticks wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:
Absolutely.

Pivoting isn't moving, and you declare zooming before you move.

The order of operations:

Pivot->Declare Zoom->Zoom

is just as legal as:

Don't Pivot->Declare Zoom->Zoom

and once your hover mode, can't you just pivot anynumber of times you'd like during the movement? similiar tanks?

Well yes, but this is referring to the next movement phase. Like this.

Turn 1:
Hover->Pivot->Move->Pivot

But Turn 2 is in question, specifically whether or not you declare "Zoom" before or after pivoting.

Moving to YMDC.

Pivoting alone does not count as moving, but it is part of the vehicle's movement. You can't, for example, pivot your vehicle outside of the movement phase (except for vehicles which can move in the assault phase).

So if you're going to move a Flyer, the first thing you have to do is declare the movement mode, and then you'll be bound by that. You can't pivot it before it starts its move. Any pivoting is actually part of its movement for that turn.

Also the actual wording is

"A vehicle that only pivots during the movement phase does not count as moving"

Therefore in order to pivot freely as a hovering flyer you would need to continue being a hovering flyer

 Flinty wrote:
Also the actual wording is

"A vehicle that only pivots during the movement phase does not count as moving"

Therefore in order to pivot freely as a hovering flyer you would need to continue being a hovering flyer

The part you just quoted is the second half of the sentence I quoted in my OP. The previous part (the part I have quoted), is the rule regarding pivoting. The part you are quoting is a clarification of the first part of the sentence.

You basically pick to be a flyer or a skimmer before you get to do anything else in the movement phase with the Flyer. So it happens before you can pivot.

"Pivoting on the spot alone does not count as moving, so a vehicle that only pivots in the Movement phase counts as Stationary" P. 71

If the only movement you are doing is pivoting, then the pivoting does not count as moving.

If you are moving as well as pivoting then the pivoting counts as movement.

This rule is pretty clear.

 Mannahnin wrote:
You can't, for example, pivot your vehicle outside of the movement phase (except for vehicles which can move in the assault phase).

And Walkers in the Shooting phase.

Good reminder, thanks! Walkers do pivot toward their target in the shooting phase, of course.

 Thaylen wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
Also the actual wording is

"A vehicle that only pivots during the movement phase does not count as moving"

Therefore in order to pivot freely as a hovering flyer you would need to continue being a hovering flyer

The part you just quoted is the second half of the sentence I quoted in my OP. The previous part (the part I have quoted), is the rule regarding pivoting. The part you are quoting is a clarification of the first part of the sentence.

Even if that's true, the only permission to pivot is provided in the form of the following rule:

"Vehicles can turn any number of times as they move, just like any other model. Vehicles turn by pivoting on the spot about their centre-point..." (emphasis mine)

If your vehicle isn't moving it has no permission to pivot, and if your Flyer hasn't declared if it is Zooming or Hovering, it can't move.

Hence the specify that it "does not count as moving" though in actuality pivoting is part of movement.

 Thaylen wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
Also the actual wording is

"A vehicle that only pivots during the movement phase does not count as moving"

Therefore in order to pivot freely as a hovering flyer you would need to continue being a hovering flyer

The part you just quoted is the second half of the sentence I quoted in my OP. The previous part (the part I have quoted), is the rule regarding pivoting. The part you are quoting is a clarification of the first part of the sentence.

Indeed. So if the vehicle does anything other than pivoting alone, then it counts as moving and to do that you need to define what type of flyer movement you're using. You can't pivot and then choose because then the flyer would be doing 2 separate movement actions, which isn't allowed.

I think Drunkspleen and Flinty have just about got it surrounded. Seems to me like you need to declare your type in order to be able to move (or pivot freely). Good question, though. I could see how this could lead one into thinking they had fallen into a murky grey area in the rules.