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I have read all of the hh novels, atleast a good chunk of them, so I'm not a noob in the face of the IOM.

Here is why I ask the question. The imperial truth.

The imperial truth States there are no deities, no gods of any sort, and no magic.

The emperor worked, extensively mind you, to rid humanity of these troublesome ideas.... and now hes a machine (more than he used to be ) and they worship him?!?

They might as well spit on the golden throne!

Seems to me that its just an excuse for the high lords of terra to run the universes largest dystopia...

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Because not doing so is heresy, and gets you shot

Most IOM citizens worship automatically. They are brought up in the creed and it wouldn't even occur to them to question it.

Big E didn't want magic, deities or worship, but most folk in the IOM have no idea what he wanted. A goodly few probably never knew he was anything but a corpse in a chair, depending on variance and local interpretation of the Creed.


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It's kind of the whole point of 40K that the Big E wound up with pretty much the polar opposite of his ideal.

Grimdark, see

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I wonder why the marines who were around for the crusades don't say anything. Do they worship the emperor?

I cant see roboute saying any kind of prayer to the emperor, seeing as he was the biggest proprietor of the imperial truth.

I understand the concept of why it is the way it is.... but its sad... well would be if it were real
"Something cynical......"

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Because, even during the Great Crusade, there were people within the Imperium that worshipped the Emperor in secret.

After the Heresy, this religion eventually achieved legitimacy and the Imperial church was born.

It was allowed because it was one of the few things that could keep the Imperium together, religion does that to people.

Accross the vast Imperium, with countless trillions of people over hundreds of thousands of worlds, the only truly common thread will be Religion. Either worship of the God Emperor, or his facet of the Omnissiah.


The Emperor has ways of communicating with his subjects and he is aware of how things are going. If he objected to the situation he would have said something by now.

For all practical purposes, he is a god. His psychic abilities are on par with the power of the Chaos Gods, not even all 4 united could beat him. He prevents chaos from being able to completely enter the material universe.


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The Emperor's philosophical teachings were all a calculated attack on the Chaos gods. He is, however, literally a god, by the setting's standard, having been created through the amalgamation of psyker souls some 48 thousand years before the current point in the story (like a smaller scale, deliberate version of Slaanesh's creation). He's effectively a living warp god who's been eating psykers for thousands of years.

For what it's worth, living saints to be similar constructs: tiny warp gods that possess living creatures who embody their purpose, created by vast numbers of dedicated souls entering the warp at once (hence their propensity for popping up in greater crusades; vast numbers of soldiers dedicated to the cause dying and coalescing into a small warp god of the crusade). From Gaunt's Ghosts we know that chaos worshippers have living saints too, though we have no examples of this, so we know it's a general human phenomenon.

 
   
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aapch45 wrote:Seems to me that its just an excuse for the high lords of terra to run the universes largest dystopia...

It looks like someone just discovered what grimdark means.


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Well the Imperial Truth did turn out to be a massive lie.

I remember some quote from Bjorn (who was alive when the Emperor was)

"God Emperor? Calling him a God was what started this whole thing in the first place" - or something along those lines.

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The Emperor is worshiped as a God because the Eccliesiarchy achieved such a prominent position in Imperial administration and tremendous power.

After the Emperor was interred on the Throne and the Primarchs and Space Marines of the Great Crusade died off there was no one to say that the Emperor was not a god. Instead you were left with humans who have only legends of a dark time when man's greatest heroes betrayed them, yet the Emperor lives on, eternal. To them the Emperor has always been, will always be. How can he be anything other than a god?

Those who had always worshiped Him, gained in strength, numbers and legitimacy. Worship of the Emperor is possibly the only thing all the worlds and people's of the Imperium have in common.
   
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If it's of interest, I have copied the important bits of the origin of the Adeptus Ministorum as presented in the SoB Codex in this post.

aapch45 wrote:I wonder why the marines who were around for the crusades don't say anything. Do they worship the emperor?
Some few might. But the chief reason would probably be that they have very limited influence in the Imperium, part of the consequences that come with withdrawing to their various Chapter fiefs and keeping only nominal ties to the IoM. Also, some Chapter Masters may have realised that it actually benefits the Imperium in that it provides stability. Going against such movements would cause nothing but internal strife. The Astartes have neither the mandate nor the military might to get dragged into a conflict like that, not to mention that the only result could be a weaker Imperium.

Also, it is of note that the Ministorum didn't actually become an official religion until early M32, a long time after the Heresy, and probably after the last Primarch (Dorn? not sure regarding the chronology) "disappeared" from the public stage.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:From Gaunt's Ghosts we know that chaos worshippers have living saints too, though we have no examples of this, so we know it's a general human phenomenon.
I would say that's what the Imperium simply calls a "daemon".

aapch45 wrote:I understand the concept of why it is the way it is.... but its sad... well would be if it were real
For what it's worth, I would say it is pretty much a necessity to "keep order". As rems01 pointed out, their faith is the one thing the people have in common. It's a powerful tool to control people, and the Imperium would be much less stable without the shackles of a centralised religion that is affecting the life of almost every single Imperial citizen.

Also, if you were looking for happiness, I'm not sure the Imperium is the right faction.
   
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 Lynata wrote:
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:From Gaunt's Ghosts we know that chaos worshippers have living saints too, though we have no examples of this, so we know it's a general human phenomenon.
I would say that's what the Imperium simply calls a "daemon".

Except the context makes that unlikely, because it's coming from the culture of the chaos worshiping force, and they'd certainly know enough to distinguish between warp phenomena. Of course, it could mean "saint" as an historically significant mortal that's entered into the realm of myth, basically, though since "saint" has a rather specific meaning in the setting, it's more likely meaning something akin to a living saint: a human spontaneously becoming a supernatural force dedicated to an embattled cause they espouse. Elaboration on the point could be rather enlightening as to how living saints function; if it is indeed a unique form of daemonic possession that would mean that you effectively had Imperial daemons serving the Imperial chaos god (the Emperor), and mutating (in some cases) the possessed into angelic shapes, suggesting their own form would be derived from Imperial religious art...

 
   
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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Except the context makes that unlikely, because it's coming from the culture of the chaos worshiping force, and they'd certainly know enough to distinguish between warp phenomena.
Do they? Most Chaos cults do not just spring into existence by a moustace-twirling villain managing to gather a large coterie of sociopaths, but often because a planet was infiltrated by a secret society spreading its dogma and gaining followers under a false flag, promising salvation and deliverance from oppression etc. On other worlds, feral tribes of bloodthirsty barbarians have been fueling the power of Chaos for millennia without even knowing that "The Great Skull-Taker" they sacrifice their prisoners to is just another name for Khorne, ..

All in all, I think the average Chaos Cultist knows about as much about the nature of Chaos as the average Imperial citizen knows about the "God-Emperor".

Then again, I have not read the novel you are referring to, so I can't say if it maybe isn't just Mr. Abnett inventing some weird stuff again. The way you worded it, it just doesn't fit into what I am used to, so for the moment I'm only looking for potential explanations before I end up possibly having to dismiss it as "eh, Abnettverse".

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:if it is indeed a unique form of daemonic possession that would mean that you effectively had Imperial daemons serving the Imperial chaos god (the Emperor), and mutating (in some cases) the possessed into angelic shapes, suggesting their own form would be derived from Imperial religious art...
That is (sort of) my interpretation, though mine does not depend on the Emperor at all. The Warp isn't good or evil, the Warp just "is", and it reacts to thoughts and emotions by creating stuff from psychic phenomena to daemons to full-blown Chaos Gods. With the right trigger, the Warp could easily create "other things" as well...
   
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It just sounds like a Daemonhost to me, lol.
   
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 Lynata wrote:
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Except the context makes that unlikely, because it's coming from the culture of the chaos worshiping force, and they'd certainly know enough to distinguish between warp phenomena.
Do they? Most Chaos cults do not just spring into existence by a moustace-twirling villain managing to gather a large coterie of sociopaths, but often because a planet was infiltrated by a secret society spreading its dogma and gaining followers under a false flag, promising salvation and deliverance from oppression etc. On other worlds, feral tribes of bloodthirsty barbarians have been fueling the power of Chaos for millennia without even knowing that "The Great Skull-Taker" they sacrifice their prisoners to is just another name for Khorne, ..

All in all, I think the average Chaos Cultist knows about as much about the nature of Chaos as the average Imperial citizen knows about the "God-Emperor".

Then again, I have not read the novel you are referring to, so I can't say if it maybe isn't just Mr. Abnett inventing some weird stuff again. The way you worded it, it just doesn't fit into what I am used to, so for the moment I'm only looking for potential explanations before I end up possibly having to dismiss it as "eh, Abnettverse".

I very studiously avoided the word "cult"; the chaos worshipers in Gaunt's Ghosts are an established civilization, more or less. A small* empire that is culturally alien to normal human societies, and which forms the only real attempt to thoroughly create a large chaos force that makes sense that I know of. It's a wonderful refutation of anyone who argues that chaos is all about freedom and anarchy, instead of just being unprincipled, psychotically brutal totalitarianism to such an extent that the Imperium starts looking like a veritable paradise.

*As in "only several times larger than the Tau," small.


Sir Pseudonymous wrote:if it is indeed a unique form of daemonic possession that would mean that you effectively had Imperial daemons serving the Imperial chaos god (the Emperor), and mutating (in some cases) the possessed into angelic shapes, suggesting their own form would be derived from Imperial religious art...
That is (sort of) my interpretation, though mine does not depend on the Emperor at all. The Warp isn't good or evil, the Warp just "is", and it reacts to thoughts and emotions by creating stuff from psychic phenomena to daemons to full-blown Chaos Gods. With the right trigger, the Warp could easily create "other things" as well...

I don't mean to suggest some good/evil dichotomy in the warp, only draw a distinction between daemons of different gods (of which the Emperor appears to be one). The idea that there could be "Imperial" daemons is rather fascinating...

 
   
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 aapch45 wrote:

The emperor worked, extensively mind you, to rid humanity of these troublesome ideas.... and now hes a machine (more than he used to be ) and they worship him?!?


Take this story for example: Jesus was just an ordinary men who walked around and talk to people to make better world where everybody would respect everybody and there will be no difference between men. Many liked his story and follow him, apostles being the most loyal ones. But some didn't like their story because it called for changes and nobody likes changes - especially the most powerful empire on Earth at that time. And when Jesus spoke about the religion and how bad it is influencing people, making them sacrifice everything and give everything to the church instead of simply giving what they can to those who really need it the priests reacted and wanted him dead. And that's how Jesus died, on a cross in great pain with his idea extinguished. But fortunately for him his followers still lived, and they decided to write story about him, adding the "god like" details in it ( God, Satan, daemons, angels, resurrection... ) and that's how one man's wish for better and gentle world turned into the most powerful world Religion - his followers that survived write a new Bible portraying Jesus as son of God and spreading his idea trough 'divine power' that they gave him in that book. And as time passed and nobody knew what was truth or lie everybody accepted stories from Bible as canon and start to actually believe in it - JUST AS PLANNED!!! Off course, nobody thought about his idea being used for Crusades, convictions, dogma, terror, mass extermination etc... ups...

Replace Jesus with Emperor and you get the very same thing. He is now worshiped as God because nobody is left alive from those times ( not counting superhumans ) to tell the story otherwise. And in time theories were spread and thus Imperial Creed was born.

Seems to me that its just an excuse for the high lords of terra to run the universes largest dystopia...


You just discovered hot water... that's the point behind Grimdark.

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 Void__Dragon wrote:
It just sounds like a Daemonhost to me, lol.

Daemonhosts are different. Daemons of the chaos gods are rather more alien than saints, even compared to the lunacy of chaos-worshiping societies. So if the idea of living saints being a sort of daemonic possession is true (and this is where I and I believe quite a few people who've thought about it stand), it necessitates a new manner of daemon that's more connected to human thought. Imperial living saints necessitating a sort of freshly generated Imperial daemon (as they're showing up tailored to the situation at hand, implying their genesis lies in the situation itself rather than them being pulled in from elsewhere), and the theoretical "chaos" living saint would require similarly fresh daemons, since they'd otherwise be demonhosts distinguished from their mortal identities.

 
   
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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
The Emperor's philosophical teachings were all a calculated attack on the Chaos gods. He is, however, literally a god, by the setting's standard, having been created through the amalgamation of psyker souls some 48 thousand years before the current point in the story (like a smaller scale, deliberate version of Slaanesh's creation). He's effectively a living warp god who's been eating psykers for thousands of years.

Or... he is just a rather strong psyker kept (sort of) alive by a machine, directing psychic energy of Astronomican, and nothing more.

For what it's worth, living saints to be similar constructs: tiny warp gods that possess living creatures who embody their purpose, created by vast numbers of dedicated souls entering the warp at once (hence their propensity for popping up in greater crusades; vast numbers of soldiers dedicated to the cause dying and coalescing into a small warp god of the crusade). From Gaunt's Ghosts we know that chaos worshippers have living saints too, though we have no examples of this, so we know it's a general human phenomenon.

Or... living saints are just strong willed crazy people.

   
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 Crimson wrote:
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
The Emperor's philosophical teachings were all a calculated attack on the Chaos gods. He is, however, literally a god, by the setting's standard, having been created through the amalgamation of psyker souls some 48 thousand years before the current point in the story (like a smaller scale, deliberate version of Slaanesh's creation). He's effectively a living warp god who's been eating psykers for thousands of years.

Or... he is just a rather strong psyker kept (sort of) alive by a machine, directing psychic energy of Astronomican, and nothing more.

No, that's literally his rather esoteric (and possibly apocryphal, at this point) backstory. Around -8k a thousand human psykers commited ritual suicide to merge together in the warp into one massive warp-entity which then incarnated in a human body. A creature's warp presence or "soul" enters the warp on death; at this point that means obliteration in short order, because of how turbulent and predatory the warp has become. Prior to the descent of the Eldar, the warp was calm enough that psykers (including human psykers) could reincarnate after death, as their warp presences were strong enough to survive the process largely intact; the psykers combining into a single entity (and if you recall, this is basically what happened with the Eldar to create Slaanesh some 38 thousand years later, though that was an unintentional version) was in response to the earliest turbulences created by the descent of the eldar - basically the warp was becoming too dangerous to keep entering and reincarnating from, so they became an immortal being to safeguard humanity.

So technically speaking, the Emperor is the warp god of "protecting humanity".

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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
 Void__Dragon wrote:
It just sounds like a Daemonhost to me, lol.

Daemonhosts are different. Daemons of the chaos gods are rather more alien than saints, even compared to the lunacy of chaos-worshiping societies. So if the idea of living saints being a sort of daemonic possession is true (and this is where I and I believe quite a few people who've thought about it stand), it necessitates a new manner of daemon that's more connected to human thought. Imperial living saints necessitating a sort of freshly generated Imperial daemon (as they're showing up tailored to the situation at hand, implying their genesis lies in the situation itself rather than them being pulled in from elsewhere), and the theoretical "chaos" living saint would require similarly fresh daemons, since they'd otherwise be demonhosts distinguished from their mortal identities.


I was referring to the concept of a "Chaos" Living Saint.
   
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 Void__Dragon wrote:

I was referring to the concept of a "Chaos" Living Saint.

"the theoretical "chaos" living saint would require similarly fresh daemons, since they'd otherwise be daemonhosts distinguished from their mortal identities."

A daemonhost is basically just the daemon: the vessel it's possessing isn't part of its identity. This in contrast to living saints, who are seen as basically an empowered version of their original identity, embodying the cause they're fighting for. The chaos worshipers would presumably see a daemonhost as the incarnation of some idol, or at least understand its otherworldly qualities enough to distinguish it from the previous identity of its vessel, meaning that if they're making the distinction of something as a saint they must be referring to a phenomenon similar to the Imperial one.

 
   
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Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
This in contrast to living saints, who are seen as basically an empowered version of their original identity, embodying the cause they're fighting for.


This, Living Saint is essentially resurrected Sister of Battle - but with wings and god like power.
The only thing that I cannot understand is how they can get corrupted ( as we have seen in fluff few times )?

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The Emperor wanted the same things that we want today, and he faced/faces the same problem.....most people are dumb and will happily sacrifice logic, rationality and enlightenment in order to "feel better".

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 Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
This in contrast to living saints, who are seen as basically an empowered version of their original identity, embodying the cause they're fighting for.


This, Living Saint is essentially resurrected Sister of Battle - but with wings and god like power.
The only thing that I cannot understand is how they can get corrupted ( as we have seen in fluff few times )?

That's one living saint, specifically Celestine. There are quite a few living saints in the fluff, though only Sabbats one and two (the first manifested and lead a crusade that took some hundred worlds for the Imperium, before falling in battle; the second manifested during a crusade to reclaim those worlds, and is still alive as of this point in the story; neither Saint Sabbat had wings, only ridiculous power (the second one is introduced with her hacking apart a baneblade with a sword, for instance)) come to mind.

 
   
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Warhammer 40k Inquisitor RPG Rulebook, page 3:

A single candle guttered on an ornate silver stick in the centre of the room,
throwing a yellowish, fitful light over the faces of the cowled figures stood
in the dusty chamber.

"The Golden Throne works," one said, his voice aged and cracked. "The
Emperor's life can be sustained indefinitely."

"His soul lives on?" another inquired, his long sharp nose protruding from
under the lip of his hood. "It is not an empty husk?"

"It is not," the first confirmed. "The Emperor has ascended to the next
plane, but the link 'twixt body and spirit remains strong."

"Then it can be brought back," suggested the third, a young woman whose
flowing white hair spilled from her hood and down to her waist. "The Emperor
need not suffer this hideous eternal life in death."

"We cannot risk such a thing!" the first hissed. "What if the spiritual link were
severed? What if the person brought back was not the man we once knew?
Changed? News of the Emperor's... ascension is already widespread. He is being
revered as a god already on a hundred worlds. In this time of rebuilding, we
need a symbol.
The Emperor has shown us the way. Anyway, who would believe the Emperor
had returned so soon? It will cause a civil war more devestating than that
of the fool Horus, and even now we have yet to start counting the cost of that.
No, better that this knowledge remains hidden. When we pass on to join the
Emperor, it will die with us."

"You cannot deny mankind the Emperor," a fourth voice, deep and slow, stated
firmly. "He and the empire he has built are mankinds only chance of survival."

The woman and the deep-voiced man both withdrew into the shadows and a
moment later the door creaked open, a chill draught causing the candle
flame to flit wildly.

"Moriana, Promeus, wait!" the first man called out, but the door slammed shut
in answer.

"We cannot let them do this," the hawk-nosed man decided.

"No we cannot" the first agreed. "We must act quickly, get organised and claim
the initiative."

"It shall be done," the other concurred.

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 Sparks_Havelock wrote:
Warhammer 40k Inquisitor RPG Rulebook, page 3:

A single candle guttered on an ornate silver stick in the centre of the room,
throwing a yellowish, fitful light over the faces of the cowled figures stood
in the dusty chamber.

"The Golden Throne works," one said, his voice aged and cracked. "The
Emperor's life can be sustained indefinitely."

"His soul lives on?" another inquired, his long sharp nose protruding from
under the lip of his hood. "It is not an empty husk?"

"It is not," the first confirmed. "The Emperor has ascended to the next
plane, but the link 'twixt body and spirit remains strong."

"Then it can be brought back," suggested the third, a young woman whose
flowing white hair spilled from her hood and down to her waist. "The Emperor
need not suffer this hideous eternal life in death."

"We cannot risk such a thing!" the first hissed. "What if the spiritual link were
severed? What if the person brought back was not the man we once knew?
Changed? News of the Emperor's... ascension is already widespread. He is being
revered as a god already on a hundred worlds. In this time of rebuilding, we
need a symbol.
The Emperor has shown us the way. Anyway, who would believe the Emperor
had returned so soon? It will cause a civil war more devestating than that
of the fool Horus, and even now we have yet to start counting the cost of that.
No, better that this knowledge remains hidden. When we pass on to join the
Emperor, it will die with us."

"You cannot deny mankind the Emperor," a fourth voice, deep and slow, stated
firmly. "He and the empire he has built are mankinds only chance of survival."

The woman and the deep-voiced man both withdrew into the shadows and a
moment later the door creaked open, a chill draught causing the candle
flame to flit wildly.

"Moriana, Promeus, wait!" the first man called out, but the door slammed shut
in answer.

"We cannot let them do this," the hawk-nosed man decided.

"No we cannot" the first agreed. "We must act quickly, get organised and claim
the initiative."

"It shall be done," the other concurred.

Inquisitor Rulebook Part 1 PDF


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 aapch45 wrote:
I wonder why the marines who were around for the crusades don't say anything. Do they worship the emperor?

I cant see roboute saying any kind of prayer to the emperor, seeing as he was the biggest proprietor of the imperial truth.

I understand the concept of why it is the way it is.... but its sad... well would be if it were real
"Something cynical......"


The Imperial cult did not gain IoM spanning power till m32 most space maines who served in the Great Crusade would have been dead by then,

To the OP: The premise is pretty simple A powerful man unites the whole of humanity across the galaxy and gives his life to save it, watching over humanity for the rest of time. Over time something like that will easily become a religion

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One thing's for sure, once the Emperor comes back, he will be disappoint.

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So then if the emperor is a "God" by human standards, does he have equal power to that of the chaos gods? Is he omnipotent?

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He commands the Warp to a similar degree, and is supposed to be the one preventing them from physically manifesting in reality, but no, he's not omnipotent. None of them are truly omnipotent in the same sense the monotheistic God of Judeo-Christian/Islamic belief is.

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So are prayers to the emperor eover heard?
Or is that just a hope of the imperium?

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