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So me and my friend hand been arguing i say they cant and he says they can. I don't think Orks can be corrupted because these 5 reasons

1. Orks wounds don't get infected because of there strange plant/animal combination and there basically immune to disease so that rules Nurgle out.

2. They don't give a damn about sensations, pleasure or pain (the little of it they can feel) and all that they just want to do is kill and dominate so that rules out Slaanesh.

3. They don't care all that much for scheming and complex planning (don't mistake this for me saying there stupid because there not) so that rules out Tzeentch

4. Orks wouldn't bother with Khorn and in fact any of the other gods because Gork and Mork Are the Greatest gods and the peek of Orkyness in the Orks eyes.

5. Orks are known to be incredibly strong willed and are fully dedicated to there cause with very little if no doubts so corrupting an Ork would be extremely difficult if it were possible.

My friends counter argument to this is that Chaos can corrupt all being that have a soul and there for the Orks will eventualy fall to chaos one way or another.

So i put it to you Dakka who right and who's wrong and why have you sided with that person.

Well, I could see them going for Khorne, more likely than any of the others. After all, Khorne did capture a Warband and strand them inside his own realm so that they could fight his own Legions for eternity.

I don't believe Orks can be corrupted...I feel like they're a force of nature so to speak. And if Chaos could corrupt anything, we would have seen Chaos Orks by now. It would be like trying to bribe, say a lion with cash...the idea is ludicrous, the lion has no concept of money and doesn't care for it.

Well Gork and Mork are universally worshiped by Orks. One is more cunning than Tzeench and the other is as brutal as Khorne, so Orks don't really have much to gain from the Chaos Gods. In fact, even when Orks work with Chaos they seem unaffected. They consider CSM "Spikey Gits" rather than "Beakies" but that's about it.

Stormboyz of Khorne - are they still in the rooster?

The only correct answer is yes.

In the newest Chaos Marines codex, Mortarion infects several Ork warbands, and they attack a fortified planet, consuming the populace. Mortarion then makes planetfall, and every Ork he passes by, infected and corrupted by Nurgle, explodes into a shower of Nurglings.

Tome of Blood, from FFG, also contains rules for Khorne-corrupted Orks IIRC.

It doesn't happen often, but it can happen.

It can happen, but it doesn't happen too often. This is mostly because Orks don't really think about a lot of things that usually motivate people to join the Chaos Gods, they are usually obsessed with fighting and....fighting....they don't really see Chaos as a motivator, most just seem them as more stuff to fight.

I think the reason why ork's don't get corrupted by chaos, is that they don't live long enough to do so in most cases. The only ones who live long enough to be corrupted, are the ones who beleive -they- are the most powerful thing's in the universe, so being subservient to a god would just insult them.

There is a story in the new daemon codex, about an ork warband who get's trapped on a daemon world, and Khorne is so impressed with their bloodlust, that he let's them stay, slaughter's them, let's them recover their numbers, and does it over and over again. He never corrupt's them, but he is happy to toy with them.

As I recall from older fluff Stormboyz were said to sometimes worship Khorne just to be contrary. Shine your boots, march around, do weapons drill... all very un-Orky things to do. Worshipping the wargod of Chaos instead of Gork and Mork is just another rebellious thing to do. But they'll grow out of it. Mental corruption doesn't really work on an Ork. He knows his place and he knows how to rise in status.

Physical corruption, on the other hand, can and does happen just as it would for any other race (although the orks are tougher).

Orks fall to chaos relatively often, note relatively.

The only thing that stops this becoming a large problem is other orks, the issue is similar to genestealer cults in ork space, if orks act too UN orky the others attack and kill them.

I think it's similar to ogres in fantasy, they fight for chaos as Mercs and some then fall to chaos


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Orks fall to chaos relatively often, note relatively.

The only thing that stops this becoming a large problem is other orks, the issue is similar to genestealer cults in ork space, if orks act too UN orky the others attack and kill them.

I think it's similar to ogres in fantasy, they fight for chaos as Mercs and some then fall to chaos

Rogue Trader rpg Into the Storm pg 61 wrote:KAOS AN’ KURRUPSHUN

Orks in service to the Chaos Gods, or even succumbing to the corrupting influence of the Warp, are so rare as to be essentially
unheard of. Simply put, Orks aren’t easily tempted to Chaos and they’re far more resistant to the warping influence of Chaos
than humans, for reasons that nobody has been able to accurately define. Consequently, Orks don’t gain Corruption Points.

Yes.

It is extremely rare --to the point of being practically unheard of --despite the large numbers of Orks, however.

Orks are naturally psychologically resistant to Chaos to the point of apparent immunity.

They are not, however, ACTUALLY immune. They're just so resistant that they appear to be.

I'm in the camp that says yes, ork can be corrupted by Chaos. No, it doesn't happen very often and is infact so rare that when it does happen pretty much nobody notices or even cares.

Orks are programed to do one thing. Be an ork. Sounds simple but it is as complex as it is all encompassing. Any desire and ork could possibly have is already sated just by being an ork. Want power - pick on smaller orks to get big enough to be the boss. Want wealth - Orks have teeth, teeth come loose with a strong shot to the jaw (anyone's jaw).

And it is that simple. The fears, desires, ambitions, etc. that drive other races to seek the help of the gods is abundantly found already in place inside Ork society. Orks have no reason to seek the assistance of outside influences.

Exactly. Honestly, as a species, Orks are pretty much the most resistant to chaos out of any species in the galaxy save possibly the Tyranids.

So an ork that wants to be a warlord couldn't be tainted by chaos or an ork leader couldn't be tainted by chaos? I mean orks have weirdboyz that shoot the warp out of unmentionable areas on their body (butt rays i bet). Then again maybe that was the waaagh! power. It kind of does make sense though as weren't they made to combat slaanesh and chaos itself?

I don't really see orks as incorruptible. I mean you could always tempt an ork with a bigger shootier gun that is daemonically possessed or something that allows them to burn, stab, stomp and shoot simultaneously somehow. Ork desires are simple sure but they do have them and usually things that explode or make a lot of noise excites them.

I find it odd though that usually in 40k the dumber you are the less susceptible to chaos you tend to be. Don't get me wrong orks can be cunning but a whole lot of doofiness goes into there as well. I guess if this is the case eldar should be even more susceptible to chaos than anything else which would make sense considering the number of psykers they have. Oddly enough they seem to handle fights with chaos just fine (possibly due to will-power but that shouldn't be the case for guardians).

I dunno i just think orks have emotions but it's all much simpler than anybody else. "He picked on you but i can make you stronger." "I can make you the biggest meanest ork dere ever was!" Even slaanesh could capitalize on their sadistic explosion based excitement (he does have noise marines). It's not the fact orks already have explosions and such so much that they could want bigger explosions and be tempted with such.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
So an ork that wants to be a warlord couldn't be tainted by chaos or an ork leader couldn't be tainted by chaos? I mean orks have weirdboyz that shoot the warp out of unmentionable areas on their body (butt rays i bet). Then again maybe that was the waaagh! power. It kind of does make sense though as weren't they made to combat slaanesh and chaos itself?

I don't really see orks as incorruptible. I mean you could always tempt an ork with a bigger shootier gun that is daemonically possessed or something that allows them to burn, stab, stomp and shoot simultaneously somehow. Ork desires are simple sure but they do have them and usually things that explode or make a lot of noise excites them.

I find it odd though that usually in 40k the dumber you are the less susceptible to chaos you tend to be. Don't get me wrong orks can be cunning but a whole lot of doofiness goes into there as well. I guess if this is the case eldar should be even more susceptible to chaos than anything else which would make sense considering the number of psykers they have. Oddly enough they seem to handle fights with chaos just fine (possibly due to will-power but that shouldn't be the case for guardians).

I dunno i just think orks have emotions but it's all much simpler than anybody else. "He picked on you but i can make you stronger." "I can make you the biggest meanest ork dere ever was!" Even slaanesh could capitalize on their sadistic explosion based excitement (he does have noise marines). It's not the fact orks already have explosions and such so much that they could want bigger explosions and be tempted with such.

As stated by others, Ork society already caters to whatever desires an Ork may have.

Eldar are better and controlled psykers than humanity and they also have the path system which allows them to control themselves and not fall to Chaos. Eldar don't fall to chaos cause Chaos doesn't want Eldar members. It wants to eat the Eldar.

It's kind of funny how nearly everyone in this thread has repeated something someone else has said above them.

Proof that most people don't really read threads beyond the OP before commenting in them.

Just because slaanesh wants to eat eldar doesn't mean they couldn't fall for different other chaos gods. Eldar corsairs and dark eldar are also less path based and even guardians as i said are just basically eldar civilians spending time in the military or aren't in any real set path (though they probably control their emotions more than corsairs/raiders and dark eldar). I understand slaanesh wants to eat dark eldar but that doesn't stop them from being deviant little f*ckers. I mean eldar are capable of extremes of emotion which is basically the point of chaos in the first place. Anger could make them want to join khorne and their complex schemes and plots that you see dark eldar and even eldar doing is very tzeentch in nature. The idea of the chaos gods taking in eldar corsairs/raiders is also likely in my mind.

In my mind orks have emotions and can be corrupted by chaos even if only their bodies. I'm betting however that they could be corrupted by chaos in mind and body though.

If i were to mention a race that couldn't fall to chaos it'd either be tyranids or more likely necrons (or at least necrons before mat ward f*cked them up ).

@BlaxicanX: I read every post so don't look at me.

Oh, I'm looking at you.

I'm lookin' at you reeeeeeal hard.

there have been plenty of fluff bits saying that Orks have been corrupted by Chaos. however, due to the small mindnessness of an ork, and because of their psycic makeup (I.e. small mindlessness ) they will probably bash their skulls in later for the loot and stuff. If ork players are really worried about their orkish sanity, then they can collect an army of freebooters - there is no chance that they will become corrupt - you either pay them to dish out the pain, or you feel the pain.

Bam, Nurgle ork. From (I believe) Chaos Codex 3.5.

I always thought the previous daemonhunters codex had that picture of the physically tainted ork. This is of course the book that was replaced by mat ward's grey knights codex. To be fair i owned the daemonhunters codex and they really needed a re-vamp even a year or two before they got it. That book was way weaker than a normal marine codex in nearly every way esp. considering the ultra elite nature of the army. The inquisitor parts deserved more than to just be mentioned casually off-screen though. Yeah sorry for going off topic there.

nice picture

Oi! DAT ain't one of our orkses. bash da gitz who did it! last to da warp is a snivlin' grot! waaagh!

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The only correct answer is yes.

In the newest Chaos Marines codex, Mortarion infects several Ork warbands, and they attack a fortified planet, consuming the populace. Mortarion then makes planetfall, and every Ork he passes by, infected and corrupted by Nurgle, explodes into a shower of Nurglings.

Tome of Blood, from FFG, also contains rules for Khorne-corrupted Orks IIRC.

It doesn't happen often, but it can happen.

I have seen this in the codex yes,... But to me it seemed they did only get infected with a horrible curse/desease like a human can get a disease... Its not like they were actually converted to worship Nurgle at that point.. Orks love to fight and as such will always join a fight where there is one..

I will re-read this part of the codex as soon as i get the chance

Other then this i have never seen any piece of text that actualy said Orks worhipping a chaos god. If an Ork fights for chaos,.. IMO,.. its probably because they came with a good deal, rumour etc. Though,, there will always be a expetion that can be found anywhere..

WH40K is a wide universe with no absolute truths,.. maybe soon we will see chaos warbands fighting for the emperor

 Melissia wrote:
Exactly. Honestly, as a species, Orks are pretty much the most resistant to chaos out of any species in the galaxy save possibly the Tyranids.

The Necrons are the most resistant to Chaos.

Actually being immune to mental and physical corruption and all.

Didn't prevent them from getting the gak kicked out of them by Daemons in the 6e 'dex, hohoho.

Necrons killed to a man by no-name daemons. Possibly the greatest part of that codex.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Didn't prevent them from getting the gak kicked out of them by Daemons in the 6e 'dex, hohoho.

Necrons killed to a man by no-name daemons. Possibly the greatest part of that codex.

This always happens in codexes...

Like the marine codexes,.. they are presented to you as gods, never faltering, never surrendering and facing the most ridiculous of odds and then coming out on top.

And then take the Chaos codex,.. it is filled with Loyalist marines defeats making them look like grots.... Its fun and frustrating sometimes

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:


This always happens in codexes...

No it doesn't.

Name a codex where the Necrons get killed to a man. Imperial Guard codex. Any others?

Nope. That's why it's such a big deal.

BlaxicanX wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:


This always happens in codexes...

No it doesn't.

Name a codex where the Necrons get killed to a man. Imperial Guard codex. Any others?

Nope. That's why it's such a big deal.

Dont take that one sentence so literal ;P

What i said is that the army that the codex is off always get shown of as the best, while other armies are shown of as dirt beneath your bootheels

Daemons killing Necron to the man is an example of that


Otherwise, any exterminatus trumps that story of necrons getting slaughtered.. Yay you killed an army,, the imperium killed your planet with everyone on it!

burnaboy wrote:
2. They don't give a damn about sensations, pleasure or pain (the little of it they can feel) and all that they just want to do is kill and dominate so that rules out Slaanesh.

Orks get pleasure from intoxicants, loud noises and the sensation of moving fast. The last one is actually so powerful to them that many orks end up as 'speed freaks', effectively addicted to driving about as quickly as possible.

Orks are also capable of sadism; taking pleasure from hurting, scaring and humiliating others (especially grots).