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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:44:34
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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It will also negatively affect GWs bottom line.
Do not be mislead, when GW talk about supporting B&M stores they don't mean the FLGS that has built up their trade and sold product for 30 years despite the internet. GW mean THEIR B&M stores. English socialism and its doublespeak at its finest.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:46:07
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Kalamadea wrote:bigger issue isn't whether it's legal (when has that EVER stopped GW from sending a C&D?) but whether they're big enough to make eBay simply pull those listings just because they say they want the listings pulled. Spoiler alert: they already do that.
They can get ebay to pull listings where there are copyright infringements involved. They can't just stop all on-selling of their product. There has to be a valid reason for pulling the auction.
And no, trade accounts having a clause forbidding selling of bits isn't that reason, since (a)they would have to prove that the seller on eBay purchased those bits through their trade account and (b)eBay is not responsible for enforcing GW's terms of trade with their trade accounts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:46:32
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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You know, there's a lot of negativity around GW, but I think this might be the first time that I've ever heard them referred to as socialist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:47:46
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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I think this is aimed at retail outlets. for example, I went to one store that will remain unnamed that was selling the Dark Vengeance box broken up into its individual parts (hellbrute, cultists, etc.) He was buying the boxes straight from GW than selling the models off piecemeal.
I bet without a doubt thats what Gw is trying to clamp down on.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:48:01
Subject: Re:GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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I understand people questioning the source as I dont often post news or rumors but I assure you my fellow retailers will soon confirm what I have told you here. I wish I had a link for you but this was emailed to me.
I think this will affect all of us with higher bit prices.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:48:45
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Kalamadea wrote:bigger issue isn't whether it's legal (when has that EVER stopped GW from sending a C&D?) but whether they're big enough to make eBay simply pull those listings just because they say they want the listings pulled. Spoiler alert: they already do that.
Most major bits sellers have moved away from ebay as theirs not enough profit in it. I was.doing close to 6000 auctions a month and after ebay,paypal, shipping you only make about 17%. Then you have to pay employees bills etc. If anyone wants to know how the bits infustry works feel free to pm. It took me just over two years to get the jist of it but if you have patients the business is good. The difference is a box may sell in a few weeks but as bits it could take 8 months.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:49:41
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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MrMoustaffa wrote:I think this is aimed at retail outlets. for example, I went to one store that will remain unnamed that was selling the Dark Vengeance box broken up into its individual parts (hellbrute, cultists, etc.) He was buying the boxes straight from GW than selling the models off piecemeal.
I bet without a doubt thats what Gw is trying to clamp down on.
Sure... which is ridiculous, since it doesn't affect anyone without a trade account.
So it actually does the exact opposite of protecting B&M stores, since all it actually does is remove their ability to compete with the bits sellers who don't have a trade account. It won't stop the bits trade... it will just remove those sales from B&M stores.
One more example of GW's complete inability to understand the internet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:57:19
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Kingsley wrote:You know, there's a lot of negativity around GW, but I think this might be the first time that I've ever heard them referred to as socialist.
WE have the greatest models in the world, WE have all the things you need, WE are your mother and your father.
I was showing how the culture over there has influenced the corporate mentality of GW.
Either that or I read too much Orwell as a kid and see red where there isn't any
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:58:24
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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insaniak wrote:
One more example of GW's complete inability to understand the internet.
I wouldn't say inability to understand internet is their fatal flaw, but GW's concept tof how they can control the flow of their product. It's apparent in how they have stated they want to aggressively push their NA store model by hundreds of locations, control trade accounts and slowly suffocate them, and lastly restrict the internet businesses from conducting their business revolving around GW products that it looks like the endgame for GW is to sell their product strictly by themselves and themselves alone. Perhaps a few LFGS will be graced by GW products, but by and large it appears GW wants every customer to revolve around them rather than independent retailers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 01:59:18
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Nothing in the law forces GW to sell to you as a trade account, quite the opposite as you have to agree to their Terms and Conditions, a legal contract, before they will open an account. Those terms have many limitations already in place, stuff like no standing discounts over 20%, no selling online using GW's pictures, order minimums every week etc. If you don't like their terms, you have to go through a 3rd party distributor like Alliance or ACD which cuts into your profit margins.
Stores that only carry a small amount of GW or stores that are sick of GWs crap are better off with distribution, but a lot of FLGS need the extra margin, it's slim enough already. But if you want that extra discount and the other perks like prize support, free product displays, free mail order shipping, then you have to follow GWs rules or they cut you off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:00:04
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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nkelsch wrote:Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.
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I'm proof that your reply is incorrect
Also, I sell GW boxes, but most of my sales are from the bit collection I have collected over the years. Will GW be comming and checking whether the item I have is one i bought via trade or one I bought via retail?
Oh well, there more profit margin to be made selling FW bits bought retail then GW bits bought trade anyways. looks like FW sales are going up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:00:35
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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insaniak wrote:haroon wrote:Those bit sellers have trade accounts with gw, they need it to buy at the 45% discount from gw so then can then sell the bits.
Not necessarily.
The key is that kits with parts in high demand wind up with the sum of the bits sales adding up to more than the normal retail cost of the kit, which works because people would rather pay more per part for just the bits they want, rather than buying a whole kit.
As someone who has been watching the 'bitz market' for a specific model for 6+months now, I can tell you this is true. I have been buying Ork Bikes when they reached a 'low' price for specific bitz or whole models.
Ork Warbike Mob:
Retail GW US$: 41.25
20$ off: 33.00$
So let's see how bitz sellers break up this particular kit. These prices are LOW and many of these bitz go for way more than this. You can find these prices right now on eBay.
Bike Mantel: 1$ x4
Grot: 2$
Biker legs: 2$ x3
Dakkagun: 3$ x3
Handlebars: 1$ x3
Torso: 2$ x4
CCW arms: 1$
Ork head: 1$ x3
PK: 3.50$
Big Choppa: 3.50$
Exhaust: 1$ x3
Handle Arms: 1$ x5
Bike Frame: 8$ x3
Wheelguard: 1$ x3
Bosspole: 1$
Grand Total if EVERY bit sells: 73$ total
As you can see, specific bitz sell better than others. PK/ BC are wanted, the grot is wanted, the Bike itself is wanted. Guns and Legs are wanted. And these are "Buy It Now" Prices. Often rarer bitz can be bid up when they do the 99cent auction format. Bitz sellers are shrewed and know the 'market'. Often bitz start out low, and get more expensive or vice versa if people don't buy.
EVEN IF they only sold those core bitz, they are still getting more than retail and still clearing a nice profit if they bought from an internet discounter at 20%.
Does this impact people who were using trade accounts to get 45% off and then bidding it for close to 100% GAIN to GW MSRP? maybe. But GW also doesn't expect retailers to be opening products and bitting them out... or possibly they have seen fraud based upon that where boxes are opened and returned missing parts.
I don't think this will kill bitz and is not intended to. I think it may inconvenience some retailers, but as a person who buys bitz, they are still going to be available to me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:01:21
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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insaniak wrote: MrMoustaffa wrote:I think this is aimed at retail outlets. for example, I went to one store that will remain unnamed that was selling the Dark Vengeance box broken up into its individual parts (hellbrute, cultists, etc.) He was buying the boxes straight from GW than selling the models off piecemeal.
I bet without a doubt thats what Gw is trying to clamp down on.
Sure... which is ridiculous, since it doesn't affect anyone without a trade account.
So it actually does the exact opposite of protecting B&M stores, since all it actually does is remove their ability to compete with the bits sellers who don't have a trade account. It won't stop the bits trade... it will just remove those sales from B&M stores.
One more example of GW's complete inability to understand the internet.
Maybe they do understand the internet, they just want to fight it as opposed to oil and hone it as you would a fine and well-used tool.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:02:57
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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jimbolina25 wrote:nkelsch wrote:Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.
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I'm proof that your reply is incorrect 
Well then, no more trade account for you. No way to get a kit at 45% off and then sell it for 200% value. I am not going to cry for your lost profits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:04:10
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Wow, I guess the email came out. The excrement is really going to collide with the mechanical air-circulator:
"Their move today makes it 'against the rules' to sell their product to anyone under 14, sell bits or prepainted product and even advertise a particular product is in our stores online, and quite possibly made it against the rules to post pictures of people playing with their products in our stores."
Just wow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:04:39
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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hotsauceman1 wrote:overkongen wrote:Different countries might have different rules, but surely once you buy something you own it and can resell it however you like.
It depends, In america you cant modify your phone to do what you want it to.
This isn't true. It's legal to do things such as jailbreaking, but a company has the right to refuse any service regarding the "hacked" product.
I'm taking a lot of salt with this thread. Part of me wants to believe it's a troll.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:04:39
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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It's basically irrelevant. GW cannot get auctions pulled from it, so what happens is the shop "sells" the product to a trusted partner who "does not work for the shop" and that person puts the bits on ebay "on their own" and brings the money back to "buy more models".
There's no way for GW to connect that without a private investigator, plus the only penalty they can ACTUALLY give someone is the revocation of their trade contract.
If I'm reading it right, though, it does mean that local stores can't sell painted models or used stuff anymore. I've seen a ton of shops with a case of used models. And EVEN THEN, if the contract is written just right, the store might still be able to sell on consignment or something.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:05:37
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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WarOne wrote: insaniak wrote:
One more example of GW's complete inability to understand the internet.
I wouldn't say inability to understand internet is their fatal flaw, but GW's concept tof how they can control the flow of their product. It's apparent in how they have stated they want to aggressively push their NA store model by hundreds of locations, control trade accounts and slowly suffocate them, and lastly restrict the internet businesses from conducting their business revolving around GW products that it looks like the endgame for GW is to sell their product strictly by themselves and themselves alone. Perhaps a few LFGS will be graced by GW products, but by and large it appears GW wants every customer to revolve around them rather than independent retailers.
As I have been saying for months. It is all about their revenue streaming process. The end game that you have posted is to me correct. Complete and total control of their product via the British Business model that they have been trying to do in other countries.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:06:14
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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nkelsch wrote:Well then, no more trade account for you. No way to get a kit at 45% off and then sell it for 200% value. I am not going to cry for your lost profits.
Not all of that '200%' (which it most certainly isn't on most kits) is pure profit. Selling bits is time-consuming, tedious work... which, along with the mathematial wizardry required to actually make it profitable is, I suspect, the main reason that most bits sellers seem to come and go within a few months... They see the mark-up and think it's an easy way of making a buck without realising just how crappy a job it is.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:07:45
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Has anyone here ever made money in an MMO or kingdom of loathing through arbitrage or crafting? That's basically what bits selling is like. Tedious and difficult.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:08:09
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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nkelsch wrote: jimbolina25 wrote:nkelsch wrote:Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.
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I'm proof that your reply is incorrect 
Well then, no more trade account for you. No way to get a kit at 45% off and then sell it for 200% value. I am not going to cry for your lost profits.
Really? I am. They're providing a much needed service that GW flat out refuses to do. There's a CLEAR demand for what they do. It makes GW money. It makes them money. It saves us, the end user, money. It's a win for everybody. Or it was.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:09:35
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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insaniak wrote:nkelsch wrote:Well then, no more trade account for you. No way to get a kit at 45% off and then sell it for 200% value. I am not going to cry for your lost profits.
Not all of that '200%' (which it most certainly isn't on most kits) is pure profit. Selling bits is time-consuming, tedious work... which, along with the mathematial wizardry required to actually make it profitable is, I suspect, the main reason that most bits sellers seem to come and go within a few months... They see the mark-up and think it's an easy way of making a buck without realising just how crappy a job it is.
Oh, I know it is a crappy job and a lot of work... You have to make the decision of how valuable or worthless your 'time' is. It is a way to turn time into money and if you are particular good at it, you can do some good stuff. I know a guy who buys second-hand lots and ebays them. It is his full-time work while he goes to school and he does well enough to beat a hourly wage job with his time.
If that profit is paying your hourly wage, then it is keeping you in cash at the expense of your time. If you can't do it well enough to justify your time, or your time is better used elsewhere, then don't sell bitz.
And bitz service is not a charity and I am not going to treat them as such. And if people can't do the work with the 20% discounters price, then all that will happen is bitz prices will go up to compensate.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:12:44
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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nkelsch wrote: jimbolina25 wrote:nkelsch wrote:Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.
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I'm proof that your reply is incorrect 
Well then, no more trade account for you. No way to get a kit at 45% off and then sell it for 200% value. I am not going to cry for your lost profits.
And right there you've proven not only your lack of knowledge on online retailers trade costs, but also the bits business on the whole.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:16:21
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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jimbolina25 wrote:nkelsch wrote: jimbolina25 wrote:nkelsch wrote:Bits sellers on eBay don't have trade accounts, they get a kit and break it up. They can still do that. They can't prevent that from happening.
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I'm proof that your reply is incorrect 
Well then, no more trade account for you. No way to get a kit at 45% off and then sell it for 200% value. I am not going to cry for your lost profits.
And right there you've proven not only your lack of knowledge on online retailers trade costs, but also the bits business on the whole.
Then enlighten us anonymous faceless bitz seller who is impacted by this... I know multiple bitz sellers who do just fine getting kits for 20-30% off as well as second-hand sprues which are half-used, cutting them up and selling them for bitz on ebay. So some people can do it just fine.
If there is a business model there, it will continue. Smart business people will figure it out and the market will adjust if there is value.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:16:26
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Adam LongWalker wrote: WarOne wrote: insaniak wrote:
One more example of GW's complete inability to understand the internet.
I wouldn't say inability to understand internet is their fatal flaw, but GW's concept tof how they can control the flow of their product. It's apparent in how they have stated they want to aggressively push their NA store model by hundreds of locations, control trade accounts and slowly suffocate them, and lastly restrict the internet businesses from conducting their business revolving around GW products that it looks like the endgame for GW is to sell their product strictly by themselves and themselves alone. Perhaps a few LFGS will be graced by GW products, but by and large it appears GW wants every customer to revolve around them rather than independent retailers.
As I have been saying for months. It is all about their revenue streaming process. The end game that you have posted is to me correct. Complete and total control of their product via the British Business model that they have been trying to do in other countries.
And yet the worst of this if this is their true endgame that it destroys what the hobby is for many people. Many LFGS will probably be indifferent to GW enthusiasts coming to their store playing GW when they themselves do not profit. And GW has been reducing their table space for more selling room, demos, or simply downgrading relevant gaming space in pursuit of more money.
Streamlining may make more money for GW, but at the end of the day, they ruin the fun aspects of the hobby for everyone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:18:33
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Alluring Sorcerer of Slaanesh
Union, Kentucky United States
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nkelsch wrote: insaniak wrote:haroon wrote:Those bit sellers have trade accounts with gw, they need it to buy at the 45% discount from gw so then can then sell the bits.
As someone who has been watching the 'bitz market' for a specific model for 6+months now, I can tell you this is true. I have been buying Ork Bikes when they reached a 'low' price for specific bitz or whole models.
Ork Warbike Mob:
Retail GW US$: 41.25
20$ off: 33.00$
So let's see how bitz sellers break up this particular kit. These prices are LOW and many of these bitz go for way more than this. You can find these prices right now on eBay.
Bike Mantel: 1$ x4
Grot: 2$
Biker legs: 2$ x3
Dakkagun: 3$ x3
Handlebars: 1$ x3
Torso: 2$ x4
CCW arms: 1$
Ork head: 1$ x3
PK: 3.50$
Big Choppa: 3.50$
Exhaust: 1$ x3
Handle Arms: 1$ x5
Bike Frame: 8$ x3
Wheelguard: 1$ x3
Bosspole: 1$
You need to find a new shop as I sell that whole box at $28.50... just saying. Proof====>
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Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:18:36
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Dakka Veteran
South Portsmouth, KY USA
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So here's the rub. GW sells its products to a FLGS for a wholesale price (undoubtedly taking a middle-mans/distributor portion in this equation) and the FLGS marks it's price to what it needs to have in order to turn a profit, either by volume or by MSRP.
So then if FLGS breaks down a kit in to it's constituent parts and sells all or most of those off, they still have to order stock from GW to replace that stock to sell again. Mind you that GW gets their cut on the distribution side of things, still. How on earth does that hurt GW? GW gets it's money, as well as increased movement of product and the FLGS gets to profit, stay in business and sell more GW product. The cycle continues...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:20:39
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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xraytango wrote: Kingsley wrote:You know, there's a lot of negativity around GW, but I think this might be the first time that I've ever heard them referred to as socialist.
WE have the greatest models in the world, WE have all the things you need, WE are your mother and your father.
I was showing how the culture over there has influenced the corporate mentality of GW.
Either that or I read too much Orwell as a kid and see red where there isn't any
lolwut? I may not have a good idea of what socialism is but I'm pretty sure this all fits nice and snugly in to capitalism far more than socialism.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:21:40
Subject: Re:GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Lake Forest, California, South Orange County
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The quick answer to this is to set up bits sellers as a separate company. For Warstore it's pretty simple in that they already buy at wholesale, and they could just set up a new ebay account and continue on.
Rules like this never pan out, as there is no way to police it realistically.
Also, this doesn't affect anyone who wholesales from a non GW distributor.
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"Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! ... It’s become the promotions department of a toy company." -- Rick Priestly
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/16 02:23:40
Subject: GW Prohibits Sale of Bits
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Making Stuff
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xraytango wrote:So then if FLGS breaks down a kit in to it's constituent parts and sells all or most of those off, they still have to order stock from GW to replace that stock to sell again. Mind you that GW gets their cut on the distribution side of things, still. How on earth does that hurt GW? .
The thinking is that it allows the sale of that one box to a bunch of different people. It that wasn't an option, all of those people would have to have bought a whole box each... so better sales.
It ignores the fact that if the store isn't selling those bits, someone else is. So the store just loses sales if they aren't selling bits.
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