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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't even muster the strength to get angry about this gak any more. It just boggles my mind - leaving my absolutely dumbstruck - as to why a company would intentionally go out of the way to continuously put up barrier after barrier to selling their products.

I mean... who benefits from this, really?

They're just so clueless...

It boggles my mind why people keep complaining about a stupid company making stupid moves to put up barriers to selling their stupid products, and yet still keep buying them.

They're just so clueless?

If nobody bought any GW products for 6 or so months, the company would go belly up, and the money saved could be pooled and then used to buy all the rights from the liquidators and make up a real company to set the game right, and maybe even employ Kirby as an office bitch at minimum wage.

Furby! I told you I wanted a latte! *SMACK*

Alabaster.clown wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't even muster the strength to get angry about this gak any more. It just boggles my mind - leaving my absolutely dumbstruck - as to why a company would intentionally go out of the way to continuously put up barrier after barrier to selling their products.

I mean... who benefits from this, really?

They're just so clueless...

It boggles my mind why people keep complaining about a stupid company making stupid moves to put up barriers to selling their stupid products, and yet still keep buying them.

 -Loki- wrote:

Alabaster.clown wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't even muster the strength to get angry about this gak any more. It just boggles my mind - leaving my absolutely dumbstruck - as to why a company would intentionally go out of the way to continuously put up barrier after barrier to selling their products.

I mean... who benefits from this, really?

They're just so clueless...

It boggles my mind why people keep complaining about a stupid company making stupid moves to put up barriers to selling their stupid products, and yet still keep buying them.

If you actually read the boards much, you'd probably find the people complaining aren't buying anymore. Most want to because they like 40k, but don't because they dislike GW.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:

 -Loki- wrote:

Alabaster.clown wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't even muster the strength to get angry about this gak any more. It just boggles my mind - leaving my absolutely dumbstruck - as to why a company would intentionally go out of the way to continuously put up barrier after barrier to selling their products.

I mean... who benefits from this, really?

They're just so clueless...

It boggles my mind why people keep complaining about a stupid company making stupid moves to put up barriers to selling their stupid products, and yet still keep buying them.

If you actually read the boards much, you'd probably find the people complaining aren't buying anymore. Most want to because they like 40k, but don't because they dislike GW.

Hello, my name is The Dwarf Wolf, and im an clean fo 6 months now...

The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more wargamers will slip through your fingers.

Davor wrote:
So does this mean that a brick and mortar store can't sell online anymore?.

Again, that's been the case in the US for a decade.

 insaniak wrote:

Davor wrote:
So does this mean that a brick and mortar store can't sell online anymore?.

Again, that's been the case in the US for a decade.

Yes, but they seem to be extending it some. Not only are these terms for the US but Canada as well, and I can think of a half dozen online stores off the top of my head which do actually sell NIB products through webstores (not counting eBay and Amazon) that are based in one of those two countries. Since they have included the language holding distributors responsible as well...those companies who went through a distributor like Alliance may well have their stores shut down.

The other thing of course will remain to be seen, but whether or not they will crack down on stores that skirt the issue by taking online orders through email. They dont specifically call it out, but the wording is strong enough to make me think that they might end up trying to stop those sales as well (though I seem to recall a regulation that would stop them from preventing telephone orders...though I would need to double check that).

Just to confirm....in the US...no more sales to lil Timmies under 14?????

General Hobbs wrote:


Just to confirm....in the US...no more sales to lil Timmies under 14?????

Of certain items.......

Ah, so lil Timmy can still pollute a gamestore with his foul little presence....just have someone else buy for him.

xraytango wrote:
Just ordered bits from Warstore, help Neal out as much as we can guys!

I have a strong feeling that this new move by GW is directly aimed at him.

So was the shopping cart thing a few years back, apparently the warstore was pulling in more business then GW online and they had to crush it by claiming using their pictures and product codes violated their IP

Local GW stores in Washington state sell to kids under 14 years old all the time. Why are they allowed to when LFGs are not?

 puma713 wrote:
The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more wargamers will sliip through your fingers.

Please may I sig this?

 Breotan wrote:
Local GW stores in Washington state sell to kids under 14 years old all the time. Why are they allowed to when LFGs are not?

part of the new laws in the US i think, its probably only covering Glue, Paint and pointy bits.. not models... nothing in the agreements that got linked singled any particular items out though it just said in relation to state laws or something...

xraytango wrote:
I sort of doubt they would go after Victoria, she's one of their own. She used to feature regularly in WD and IIRC she was on staff for awhile.

Besides, she may make similar figures, but it is all in what you call them, and she doesn't use GW name on her descriptors.


This will really hurt Battlewagon Bits, I hope they can find a way to stick it to GW.

Does this mean fewer sales for GW in the long run? My money says yes.

Can I just clarify, I have never, ever worked for GW. All my minis that have been published in their books and magazines were my own miniatures which I painted for fun. I was never paid for any of it, nor expected to be.

"The Waaagh on sales has begun! Fight the revenue!"

vic wrote:
Can I just clarify, I have never, ever worked for GW.

You should be glad: GW is only looking for mindless drones copypasting old CAD designs without asking, not inspired sculptors like you.

 Kroothawk wrote:
"The Waaagh on sales has begun! Fight the revenue!"

Since I am all for anarchy this month, I totally approve this sentiment.

I wonder how stores will truly react to this; ignoring it or finding other methods of moving product that still remains profitable for them.

So basically they don't want people making a profit off of their 'used' products.

This seems to be a lot like when video game companies complain about pre owned sales, the second sell nets them nothing.

It seems though that a lot of bit sellers will be unaffected by this, but I can easily see the prices of bits going up.

I am just going to leave my assessment at this. I sold all but one of my armies and have no desire to build another one since the costs are simply astronomical. I make excellent money at my job and have played GW games since the early 90's and their Soviet Union style of leadership has simply put me off.

As a result I have switched to other gaming systems like privateer press, malifaux etc. and have turned back to historical gaming as well. I feel there many like myself and that eventually we will find GW figures in bargain bins around the world.

My problem is that while I hate the company (or at least the current version that's been around for about the last ten years), I love their IP so friggin' much that I just can't seem to kick it. Part of it was that it was my introductory to the hobby, way back in 2nd edition, when their relationship with the customers was simply awesome.

My only saving grace is that I have so many models and so many armies from all the years I have been in the hobby, their latest sales model doesn't affect me. Not that it doesn't make me sad for newbies, because they are in a situation that I could easily be in if i was born later.

I still buy, but loosely and i honestly cant see the major issue with this. It cant be enforced. Its impossible.
However their products have increased in quality and i enjoy the game more then ever. Quite happy with the state of things, i wouldn´t want to change a thing.

 Ravenous D wrote:

xraytango wrote:
Just ordered bits from Warstore, help Neal out as much as we can guys!

I have a strong feeling that this new move by GW is directly aimed at him.

So was the shopping cart thing a few years back, apparently the warstore was pulling in more business then GW online and they had to crush it by claiming using their pictures and product codes violated their IP

That's legal?

The not selling to kids under 14 is a bit perplexing. That is GW's target demographic right there with all the gak they've been pulling which has been driving away veteran/older gamers.

Contradictions are a notorious part of GW business "strategy" though so not that surprising.

Rotgut wrote:So basically they don't want people making a profit off of their 'used' products.

This seems to be a lot like when video game companies complain about pre owned sales, the second sell nets them nothing.

It seems though that a lot of bit sellers will be unaffected by this, but I can easily see the prices of bits going up.

Not exactly. This would be more equivalent to if shops like GameStop were taking games out of package and then selling the "Activation Codes" by themselves.

Harriticus wrote:The not selling to kids under 14 is a bit perplexing. That is GW's target demographic right there with all the gak they've been pulling which has been driving away veteran/older gamers.

Contradictions are a notorious part of GW business "strategy" though so not that surprising.

As has been mentioned, this likely deals with glues and spray primers.

 Harriticus wrote:
The not selling to kids under 14 is a bit perplexing. That is GW's target demographic right there with all the gak they've been pulling which has been driving away veteran/older gamers.

Contradictions are a notorious part of GW business "strategy" though so not that surprising.

Ya it actually doesn't say 14 years if you read it, it says it's up to the local stores and to follow the box which states "Not recommended for children under 12".

So what could happen when you are in a US GW Store and see a under 14 years old buy glue or paint or something from the prohibited goods? Could you call the cops and get the employee arrested for endangering children?

And if so, imagine it would be done in each GW shop in the US....

 Harriticus wrote:
The not selling to kids under 14 is a bit perplexing. That is GW's target demographic right there with all the gak they've been pulling which has been driving away veteran/older gamers.

Contradictions are a notorious part of GW business "strategy" though so not that surprising.

That was ovr hyped in typical internet style,

It's just refering to some stuff like kinves/glue (which shops could not legally sell to 14 and under anyway)

 Grobrotz wrote:
So what could happen when you are in a US GW Store and see a under 14 years old buy glue or paint or something from the prohibited goods? Could you call the cops and get the employee arrested for endangering children?

It would likely be "specific" kinds of glue (notably: cyanoacrylate) and spray paints. Not just paint pots, etc.

You could inform the police and they'll investigate, but most likely it would just be a minor fine.

And if so, imagine it would be done in each GW shop in the US....

Nothing really since there tends to be a parent present with most 14 year olds in shops due to the whole spread out nature of shops, etc.

 Souleater wrote:

 puma713 wrote:
The more you tighten your grip, GW, the more wargamers will slip through your fingers.

Please may I sig this?

Be my guest.

 Grobrotz wrote:
So what could happen when you are in a US GW Store and see a under 14 years old buy glue or paint or something from the prohibited goods? Could you call the cops and get the employee arrested for endangering children?

And if so, imagine it would be done in each GW shop in the US....

Nothing.

This is pure and simply backing down the "not for 14 and under" warning from thier packaging contractually to the retailer. So if little Timmy Timkins yes found off his rocker with a bottle of GW thick super glue in his hand, GW have done their best (legal minimum?) to ensure such things don't happen.

As for the bits thing, soft drink cans from multipacks have been sold here with "not to be sold separately" around the rim for a good couple of decades here. Not sure this makes GW the Great Satan again, perhaps just a sheep.

In realistic terms there is nothing here that anyone with an ounce of sense would waste five minutes on. I see this every day when drawing up contracts, some lawyer at head office has been justifying his/he time drafting legal bollox that will never be used, possibly they are introducing something from their last job.

So a storm in a tea cup again it would seem.