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In terms of sheer power, the current codex is one of the better ones though.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
In terms of sheer power, the current codex is one of the better ones though.

Agreed. The new codex alone is powerful. Combined with allies, it is nasty as all hell.

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I don't really consider that WD spread to be a real Codex.

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 Psienesis wrote:
I don't really consider that WD spread to be a real Codex.

It isn't a 'real codex' but it is a decently competitive 'book'.

I haven't considered anything since 2nd edition a real Codex for SOB, but it is easier just to say codex rather than 'book that is not a codex but I use because I want to play my army anyways'. Simply a word saver.

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Eh, for rules, sure, fair enough.

I dunno... I like both the mechanics and the fluff aspects that are generally present in a full Codex, even if I don't particularly like the army the codex ... artwork, the whole chebang.

Like, I love the latest Necron Codex, even if I don't particularly like the Necrons as an army or a faction.

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 Psienesis wrote:
I like both the mechanics and the fluff aspects that are generally present in a full Codex, even if I don't particularly like the army the codex ... artwork, the whole chebang.

Then we definitely haven't had a sisters codex since 2nd if we're counting fluff and artwork. C:WH was okay for that, but really the last good one was C:SOB.

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 pretre wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
I like both the mechanics and the fluff aspects that are generally present in a full Codex, even if I don't particularly like the army the codex ... artwork, the whole chebang.

Then we definitely haven't had a sisters codex since 2nd if we're counting fluff and artwork. C:WH was okay for that, but really the last good one was C:SOB.


Kinda my point, tying it into a few other threads with SOB featured. Though, sure, a lot of Codices simply reprint the fluff from previous versions, a new, honest-to-the-God-Emperor Codex for the SoB would be a perfect opportunity for GW to introduce some new fluff and stories, and maybe dispel some of the fandom myths about the faction.

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Oh, gods, please yes.

A new Codex: Sisters of Battle in the new style with the hardback and the giant fluff sections and the half dozen special characters and...

*whimpers*



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As a potentially new SoB player (crossing fingers on an army acquisition), I can't wait to sport the underplayed army of the decade. I'm very excited to see it on the table top.

If I don't get it in trade, I'll be buying (slowly!) 2 special weapons, Celestine and doing some conversions for Serephim. Then I'll have an allies detachment of 10 Sisters w/ 2 Flamers, Rhino, Seraphim, Celestine and an Exorcist. I'll at least be placing allies on the battlefield!

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GW for ruining your own product, in large to lack of "proper support of product"....

has been noted elswhere here that GW do not advertise, well they sure advertise space marines of all flavours.

and that was predating dow and spacemarine. it is really because GW are Mysogenous (possible typo-dislike women gaming or gaming supplies modelled as women- only one reason they don't scrap DE is because Wyche Cults Are male as well, if GW had it's way 41st millenium would be 100% men- Speculation only folks ).

evidence is in form of old female guardsmen you could buy for 2nd/3rd edition and i don't mean gaunts ghosts or last chancers or Esher gangers. each edition of 40k features less and less female influence/interaction and more Xenos influence/interaction. which is fine but i think women would play a role in 40k as well (atleast 45-55% of the imperiums population and all/ 5% variable either way for both genders) Again the above is Speculation and Presumption/Assumption.......mixed with a partial rant....but i don't think i am alone in that department (this thread has quite alot of content, i wonder if it could be turned into a BL novel )

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On the subject of SoB prices... I just noticed that the prices for Battle Sisters have actually gone up since I last looked at them in December! As if they weren't high enough. For example the box of 3 battle sisters is now 14 euros, up from 12,5, and special weapons are 8 euros, up from 7,8. Non-Seraphim Superiors have gone from 9,75 to 10. Other models haven't gone up thankfully, at least on a quick lookover, but even so that's a bit silly.

I should've gotten that allied contingent when I had the chance of getting 'em at -30%. But ~200 euros for ~800 points just felt a bit... high. I suppose a minimum-size contingent wouldn't have been that bad. Something like Celestine, 3x3 Battle Sisters plus a Superior with Bolter, an Immolator and an Exorcist. Would've been somewhere around 110 euros. Still a bit nasty. Never mind now at full retail. And still missing would be some of the nice models I would've wanted. Topping that list are Canoness, Heavy Bolter (I have a heavy bolter fetish regardless of the army), the two Superiors with Sword and Maul, and some of the Seraphims, Bah. I suppose I'll have to get some of them at some point, as display figs if nothing else.

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Well, tvih, if you were ever going to exercise you heavy bolter fetish, Sisters are the place to do it. They're 5 points each, and some of them Rend.



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'nuff said.

As for the 5E Codex (I still think "minidex" is a viable term ) ... hit and miss, really. I guess I'm one of the few people who like the new Faith Point generation, but making AoF unit-specific is a major turd, as is not taking army size into account (fortunately it is easy to houserule the latter if your opponent consents).
Also, competitive lists should not rely on SC (especially as none of them is a true Sister Militant) over custom HQs. Poor Canoness. That really is my biggest gripe with it.
   
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If only production models had such detail. I'd pay extra for an engraved heavy bolter.

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Oh yeah ...

... it might actually be possible with Finecast, but from what I've seen those minis have a high chance of being bent and disfigured. The metal ones have good detail as well, and I've grown to love their weight so much that I don't even want plastic Sisters anymore ... the latter would be better for conversions, tho, and to reinvigorate the army in general due to (hopefully!) being not quite as pricey.

What I did was using gold paint to draw small gravures onto the Celestians' guns, though. With a fine enough brush it works out okay, though I'm sure a pro could do a better job than me.

Spoiler:

(in my defense, this was my "test" Sister for trying out some different colour schemes - originally primed and coloured black, hence such a thick coat of white right now)
   
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 Lynata wrote:
Also, competitive lists should not rely on SC (especially as none of them is a true Sister Militant) over custom HQs. Poor Canoness. That really is my biggest gripe with it.

Why not? Competitive has nothing to do with custom HQs.

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 Lynata wrote:
Oh yeah ...

... it might actually be possible with Finecast, but from what I've seen those minis have a high chance of being bent and disfigured. The metal ones have good detail as well, and I've grown to love their weight so much that I don't even want plastic Sisters anymore ... the latter would be better for conversions, tho, and to reinvigorate the army in general due to (hopefully!) being not quite as pricey.

What I did was using gold paint to draw small gravures onto the Celestians' guns, though. With a fine enough brush it works out okay, though I'm sure a pro could do a better job than me.

Spoiler:

(in my defense, this was my "test" Sister for trying out some different colour schemes - originally primed and coloured black, hence such a thick coat of white right now)


Not bad, and I like the color scheme, though darkening the armor would help the cloth pop.

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 pretre wrote:
Why not? Competitive has nothing to do with custom HQs.
Every option should be viable for a competitive build.

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Melissia wrote:
pretre wrote:Why not? Competitive has nothing to do with custom HQs.
Every option should be viable for a competitive build.
^ This. I mean, of course there will always be options in any army that may appear more effective than others - but the reduction in wargear available to the Canoness makes her entirely useless. The gap is too big, so much so that there's no good reason to take her at all, unless you're okay with gimping yourself.
She used to be awesome because of toting around a ton of relics such as Aspira's cloak or blessed power swords. Now she's ... just kind of redundant.
The Command Squad was a neat idea, but it's just not good enough to replace something as awesome as the Living Saint or Uriah. Now, if they would've given the Celestians more oomph in close combat, such as turning the bodyguard into pseudo-crusaders with storm shields and power swords, ... that would've actually made the Canoness' AoF useful.

Matney X: Thanks! I ultimately settled on red robes for more contrast - although I still like the knight'ish white/silver combo. A darker shade of the latter would've probably looked better indeed. Maybe I'll get back to experimenting some day.

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 Lynata wrote:
Melissia wrote:
pretre wrote:Why not? Competitive has nothing to do with custom HQs.
Every option should be viable for a competitive build.
^ This. I mean, of course there will always be options in any army that may appear more effective than others - but the reduction in wargear available to the Canoness makes her entirely useless. The gap is too big, so much so that there's no good reason to take her at all, unless you're okay with gimping yourself.
She used to be awesome because of toting around a ton of relics such as Aspira's cloak or blessed power swords. Now she's ... just kind of redundant.
The Command Squad was a neat idea, but it's just not good enough to replace something as awesome as the Living Saint or Uriah. Now, if they would've given the Celestians more oomph in close combat, such as turning the bodyguard into pseudo-crusaders with storm shields and power swords, ... that would've actually made the Canoness' AoF useful.

Sure. Every option should be available for a competitive build. Also, I should get free unicorns and puppies every time I play. Name one codex that does that.

I'm not saying that the Canoness and Command Squad aren't flawed, but 'I should be able to play whatever I want and still win.' has never been true in 40k.

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There's a great thread about the difference between list writing and tactics over in the 40k Tactics subforum.

I agree with pretre on this one, the idea that each unit will be as good as every other unit in terms of list building is dramatically far-fetched.

Seems to me Sisters got a solid core out of the WD book. Without new models, however, it doesn't really matter.

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 pretre wrote:

Sure. Every option should be available for a competitive build. Also, I should get free unicorns and puppies every time I play. Name one codex that does that.


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 AtoMaki wrote:
 pretre wrote:

Sure. Every option should be available for a competitive build. Also, I should get free unicorns and puppies every time I play. Name one codex that does that.


Grey Knights!

O RLY?
Stern
Brother Captain
Assassins other than Vindicare
Daemonhost squads.
Purgation Squads
Land Raiders

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 pretre wrote:
 AtoMaki wrote:
 pretre wrote:

Sure. Every option should be available for a competitive build. Also, I should get free unicorns and puppies every time I play. Name one codex that does that.


Grey Knights!

O RLY?
Stern
Brother Captain
Assassins other than Vindicare
Daemonhost squads.
Purgation Squads
Land Raiders


The BC, the Assassins, the Purgation Squads and the LRs aren't that bad. And for the others, you can only take one, so the rest of the army will be still A-OK. With the GK codex, you literally have to focus on the most sh*tty stuff to make a bad army. Like, you bring Coteaz and 6 12-stong squads of Eviscerator Banishers or something similarly mind blowing.

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 AtoMaki wrote:
The BC, the Assassins, the Purgation Squads and the LRs aren't that bad. And for the others, you can only take one, so the rest of the army will be still A-OK. With the GK codex, you literally have to focus on the most sh*tty stuff to make a bad army. Like, you bring Coteaz and 6 12-stong squads of Eviscerator Banishers or something similarly mind blowing.

The repentia, Canoness, Celestian Squads and Command Squad aren't THAT bad, they are just worse than the other options in those slots. (Although, I will concede that there are no good elite slots in the WD Codex) You have to focus on taking them over better units to make a bad army.

Again, there are always less optimal choices in every codex. There is no codex where you can take anything you want and still have a competitive army.

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I would love it if SoB got updated; I would go out and buy an army straight away. Although it wouldn't suprise me if they get squatted; GW only cares about little Timmy now and Timmy wants sphess mehreens.

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 MetalOxide wrote:
I would love it if SoB got updated; I would go out and buy an army straight away. Although it wouldn't suprise me if they get squatted; GW only cares about little Timmy now and Timmy wants sphess mehreens.



My score? 4/10
GW has said that they aren't squatting any further armies.
Bonus points for getting squatted and 'little Timmy' in the same post though.


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 pretre wrote:
 MetalOxide wrote:
I would love it if SoB got updated; I would go out and buy an army straight away. Although it wouldn't suprise me if they get squatted; GW only cares about little Timmy now and Timmy wants sphess mehreens.



My score? 4/10
GW has said that they aren't squatting any further armies.
Bonus points for getting squatted and 'little Timmy' in the same post though.



Well, with no support, aging miniatures ( except the Celestine one, which is one of the best sculpts GW has ever produced ) and almost no way to aquire the current codex legaly one could say that sisters are almost squatted. GW simply avoids the outrage of getting rid of them.
Don't get me wrong, i would love to see them getting the Dark Eldar treatment. The Sisters have the potential to become the best looking of all imperial armies but sadly, so far GW seems to ignore them.
   
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KingDeath wrote:

Well, with no support, aging miniatures ( except the Celestine one, which is one of the best sculpts GW has ever produced ) and almost no way to aquire the current codex legaly one could say that sisters are almost squatted. GW simply avoids the outrage of getting rid of them.

The same argument has been used since 3rd edition launched. SOB have always had aging miniatures with little to no support. We have been basically in the same position 2004 (no new models). And the 2004 release was about 5 infantry sculpts, a Canoness and the Exorcist.

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pretre wrote:The repentia, Canoness, Celestian Squads and Command Squad aren't THAT bad, they are just worse than the other options in those slots.
That is probably debatable.
The gap between custom Marine or Guard HQs and their Codex SCs is not that drastic that you would feel punished for not choosing the latter. Much of the issue in the SoB 'dex boils down the missing equipment, really, and you'll have to agree there was no good reason at all for it being removed.

On a different note, however ...
pretre wrote:GW has said that they aren't squatting any further armies.
Do you remember who said that where? I've seen this sentence all over the web for years, but never the actual source. I don't really doubt it - it's just one of the things that occured to me the other day.

I only know it was not the statement from Jervis Johnson that was released in the wake of squats being removed; that one only said they don't care how well (or bad) an army sells.

KingDeath wrote:The Sisters have the potential to become the best looking of all imperial armies [...]
You say that as if this wasn't already the case...

   
 
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