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That's disgusting. No one should ever blame the victim.

I don't know what the media hoped to achieve by posting the Twitter profile names though, that's just adding fuel to the fire.

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
I bet mushers don't rape that much.

Well, maybe not women.

BAM!

But yep. The media frenzy has spread. Wonder how many other cases like this are floating around right now.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
I bet mushers don't rape that much.

Well, maybe not women.

BAM!

But yep. The media frenzy has spread. Wonder how many other cases like this are floating around right now.

Dang beat me to it D:

Even if it's only one year they're still going to be punished by society for much longer due to stigma and a criminal record.

I've been thinking for a while: what if we stopped sentencing people to X months/years in prison and used days instead? 1826-1827 days (depending on leap years) sounds a bit longer than 5 years IMO.

Also, what's up with so many high school athletes being smug pricks anyway? Too much testosterone or just the "athlete culture" (note: from my experience, most high school athletes in Sweden are just as dumb and stuck-up as those in the US appear to be)?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Also, what's up with so many high school athletes being smug pricks anyway? Too much testosterone or just the "athlete culture" (note: from my experience, most high school athletes in Sweden are just as dumb and stuck-up as those in the US appear to be)?

I guess it's got to be the latter fueling the former, along with the usual "invincible" feeling we all had when we were teens. Sad thing.

I don't always agree with Anonymous and the things they do, but this is something I can get behind.

You could write a dissertation on that fact.

 LordofHats wrote:

 Kovnik Obama wrote:
I bet mushers don't rape that much.

Well, maybe not women.

BAM!

But yep. The media frenzy has spread. Wonder how many other cases like this are floating around right now.

I was talking to my cousin, who just retired from working 30 years in social services, about this case the other night. He started relating some of the things he had to deal with and there is way worse than I imagined floating out there. I asked him jow he could stand that kind of thing, and he let me know of the toll it has taken on him physically and the fact that he has to take post traumatic stress therapy. Along the way, he's salvaged countless troubled youth in nightmare situations.
He's smaller than I am, but he's a hell of a lot more man than I'll ever be.

yes the wife in a former life was a manager of the victim services unit in a minor city. her unit dealt with child victims of crimes. Serious gak.

She's generally lefty except in regards to crime and criminals. I'm like Mother Theresa compared to her.

The best shot with a pistol I have ever met was in a similar position to Mrs. Frazzled. On work or any where really the kindest, gentlest lady I have ever met... but on the range... she had a quick draw that would make Wyatt Earp gak his pants and could put a five shot group in a dime at 25 yards the same way any of us breath. She explained to me that her range therapy was pretty much the only way she could deal with some of the horror that exists in the worlds she glimpses into every day.

I suppose I can understand that, it's a natural response for moral human beings when confronted with evil isn't it? I'd say most cops have a similar inkling deep down, the chance to dispense justice personally against utter scum, utter evil, to be God's own avenging sword for the innocents that evil's wronged....

I've never worked in a capacity like that for people, but I volunteered with a county animal control unit in Arizona... some of the animals we brought in, especially from dog fighting rings.... I put in a lot of range time.

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper

Utter bollocks. Mr. Tiananmen Square didn't have an anti-tank cannon or something last time I looke, and Gandhi didn't have ancient Hindu doomsday weapons (or did he?). The most valiant action is, in my opinion, to put yourself in harm's way for your fellow human beings despite having no conceivable way of winning. It takes courage of a type I'm sad to say I'll probably never possess.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper

Utter bollocks. Mr. Tiananmen Square didn't have an anti-tank cannon or something last time I looke, and Gandhi didn't have ancient Hindu doomsday weapons (or did he?). The most valiant action is, in my opinion, to put yourself in harm's way for your fellow human beings despite having no conceivable way of winning. It takes courage of a type I'm sad to say I'll probably never possess.

Suicide's your own choice, but no one vanquished evil by giving it a hug any time recently. Least not in this reality. China's still a police state, and Mr. Tinanmen Square is probably dead or in a dark hole somewhere, and even Ghandi acknowledged that you have to fight sometimes.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Suicide's your own choice, but no one vanquished evil by giving it a hug any time recently.

And there's more than one way to combat evil, the pen does indeed remain mightier than the sword... or the gun.

Only if you have the right pen. Usually at the helm of newspapers or nation states, and that's because those pens control those with swords, or guns as it happens. otherwise I'd suggest investing in some steel.

Edit: http://www.bladehq.com/cat--Defense-Pens--257

One of these might help.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I've been thinking for a while: what if we stopped sentencing people to X months/years in prison and used days instead? 1826-1827 days (depending on leap years) sounds a bit longer than 5 years IMO.

Also, what's up with so many high school athletes being smug pricks anyway? Too much testosterone or just the "athlete culture" (note: from my experience, most high school athletes in Sweden are just as dumb and stuck-up as those in the US appear to be)?

In the UK you get the figure in days from your NOMS reporting. It does seem a lot longer. Sentencing guidelines are usually months, saves the judge and courts having to figure it out themselves.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
The best shot with a pistol I have ever met was in a similar position to Mrs. Frazzled. On work or any where really the kindest, gentlest lady I have ever met... but on the range... she had a quick draw that would make Wyatt Earp gak his pants and could put a five shot group in a dime at 25 yards the same way any of us breath. She explained to me that her range therapy was pretty much the only way she could deal with some of the horror that exists in the worlds she glimpses into every day.

I suppose I can understand that, it's a natural response for moral human beings when confronted with evil isn't it? I'd say most cops have a similar inkling deep down, the chance to dispense justice personally against utter scum, utter evil, to be God's own avenging sword for the innocents that evil's wronged....

I've never worked in a capacity like that for people, but I volunteered with a county animal control unit in Arizona... some of the animals we brought in, especially from dog fighting rings.... I put in a lot of range time.

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper

Ayah mine was an exercise freak at the time - like ironman triathlons or whatever they are called. Now she shoots and attacks buildings with the side of her van.


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper

Utter bollocks. Mr. Tiananmen Square didn't have an anti-tank cannon or something last time I looke, and Gandhi didn't have ancient Hindu doomsday weapons (or did he?). The most valiant action is, in my opinion, to put yourself in harm's way for your fellow human beings despite having no conceivable way of winning. It takes courage of a type I'm sad to say I'll probably never possess.

Mr. Tiananmen Square was executed after the picture was taken (no joke).

It takes courage. Courage alone generally doesn't do much though.


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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Suicide's your own choice, but no one vanquished evil by giving it a hug any time recently.

And there's more than one way to combat evil, the pen does indeed remain mightier than the sword... or the gun.

How'd that work out in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, and Nazi Germany?
To defeat evil you must crush evil utterly.

I thought the Tiananmen Square guy was pulled out of the way before he was crushed...

 Alfndrate wrote:
I thought the Tiananmen Square guy was pulled out of the way before he was crushed...

OK I'm sure he's dead too but I'm talking about the guy standing in front of the column of tanks. After the pic he was grabbed and then executed.

I wouldn't run over a guy with my tank if I didn't have to.

You have to wash them at the end of the day, and what crewman would want to clean some dude out of the tracks unnecessarily?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
I've been thinking for a while: what if we stopped sentencing people to X months/years in prison and used days instead? 1826-1827 days (depending on leap years) sounds a bit longer than 5 years IMO.

Also, what's up with so many high school athletes being smug pricks anyway? Too much testosterone or just the "athlete culture" (note: from my experience, most high school athletes in Sweden are just as dumb and stuck-up as those in the US appear to be)?

Because of one thing.
They are idiots. They don't know their abilities, they are taught that violence in a game is necessary, when really its not, if you injure someone thats a good thing. Hence why I quit so many sports, I saw so much evil with the sports teams, So much rapid escalation of violence. Please note i am also a swordsmen and a martial artist, i tend to not want to fight because I know how bad violent combat can get.

Athlete culture in schools is usually students being dicks because they think they are better than other people, because they are competitive and are recognized because of this, they think they are important, when really. They are not. They think they are more important than a person like me, who is noncompetitive and wishes not to use violence unless deemed abosolutely necessary. Hence why abuse and physical abuse is so common in high schools because athletes are taught to attack a key player and hopefully hurt them and get that person out of the game. If it costs a player that caused the injury oh well, throw more people into the meat grinder that we call our sports system.

Fantastically bad idea in my honest opinion

How do i know this? My brother was a football player, I often listened to the coach, and i was horrified by what he told them to do. Athletes for school teams are not the best examples of human beings, there are exceptions though.

Though its mostly because of one reason why people who are key athletes do this. Because they think they can get away with it.

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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Suicide's your own choice, but no one vanquished evil by giving it a hug any time recently.

And there's more than one way to combat evil, the pen does indeed remain mightier than the sword... or the gun.

How'd that work out in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, and Nazi Germany?
To defeat evil you must crush evil utterly.

I don't know frazzled, ask those that signed into effect the airstrikes, invasions and blockades, or those that then signed in peace treaties and surrender terms.

Either you're being willfully obtuse or you don't understand the meaning of the quote and I'll indulge you on this occasion and explain it means that changing minds and winning hearts is a far more potent weapon than simply being armed or attempting to use force. Actually, the places you quoted above are great examples of this.

 Monster Rain wrote:
I wouldn't run over a guy with my tank if I didn't have to.

You have to wash them at the end of the day, and what crewman would want to clean some dude out of the tracks unnecessarily?

MBTs are a pain enough to clean without having to get blood stains out of the tread links.


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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Suicide's your own choice, but no one vanquished evil by giving it a hug any time recently.

And there's more than one way to combat evil, the pen does indeed remain mightier than the sword... or the gun.

How'd that work out in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, and Nazi Germany?
To defeat evil you must crush evil utterly.

I don't know frazzled, ask those that signed into effect the airstrikes, invasions and blockades, or those that then signed in peace treaties and surrender terms.

Either you're being willfully obtuse or you don't understand the meaning of the quote and I'll indulge you on this occasion and explain it means that changing minds and winning hearts is a far more potent weapon than simply being armed or attempting to use force. Actually, the places you quoted above are great examples of this.

Not really... seemed like the force was the decisive factor in most of those lovely hell holes, and still is, which is why most of them are still brutal dictatorships/police states, the government has a monopoly on force, and no outside force has bothered to remove the evil infestation. Some valiant efforts in Libya (mostly resolved), Syria (we'll see), and we're waiting on fumigation results in Iraq.... Vietnam's probably the only pleasant place to live out of all the places on that list still extant. (Germany of course being a lovely place to live and vacation once properly fumigated of Nazi fethheads)

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Also, what's up with so many high school athletes being smug pricks anyway? Too much testosterone or just the "athlete culture" (note: from my experience, most high school athletes in Sweden are just as dumb and stuck-up as those in the US appear to be)?

I guess it's got to be the latter fueling the former, along with the usual "invincible" feeling we all had when we were teens. Sad thing.

Funny thing is, I never felt invincible i had the feeling of vulnerability, i know how fragile i am and easily injured i can get. It sucks knowing full well how fragile a human body is when it meets its death.

Man I feel like yoda in a school filled with irresponsible violence and name calling.

 Monster Rain wrote:
I wouldn't run over a guy with my tank if I didn't have to.

You have to wash them at the end of the day, and what crewman would want to clean some dude out of the tracks unnecessarily?

That is an exceedingly good point.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper

I like that quote, never heard it before.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
- Col. Jeff Cooper

I like that quote, never heard it before.

Here's the full bit Dread:

"Weapons compound man's power to achieve; they amplify the capabilities of both the good man and the bad, and to exactly the same degree, having no will of their own. Thus we must regard them as servants, not masters - and good servants to good men. Without them, man is diminished, and his opportunities to fulfill his destiny are lessened. An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
— Col. Jeff Cooper

The Colonel is a legend in the firearms community, I strongly recommend any of his books.

This speech also has some excellent material in it.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I thought the Tiananmen Square guy was pulled out of the way before he was crushed...

OK I'm sure he's dead too but I'm talking about the guy standing in front of the column of tanks. After the pic he was grabbed and then executed.

Actually, no one knows what happened to him, or what the story behind his actions was. He was standing there for quite a while as the tanks rolled towards him (there's another, less dramatic photo from ground level where you can see him standing there with the tanks quite a distance away), the tanks stop and he talks to the crew of the lead tank, then leaves. No one knows who he was, why he did that, or what ultimately happened to him (though it being China, it's presumed he was later arrested and executed, as happened to basically all of the protestors).

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Here's the full bit Dread:

"Weapons compound man's power to achieve; they amplify the capabilities of both the good man and the bad, and to exactly the same degree, having no will of their own. Thus we must regard them as servants, not masters - and good servants to good men. Without them, man is diminished, and his opportunities to fulfill his destiny are lessened. An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."
— Col. Jeff Cooper

The Colonel is a legend in the firearms community, I strongly recommend any of his books.

This speech also has some excellent material in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGYttXa0d1k

Thank you very much for that, when I get a chance later I'll give it a watch

The one I am referring to did indeed have a report that his family was charged the bill for his execution.