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Now, I know... I KNOW that one should never use fluff as a reason for rules. The way it works in real life is just not important. I know. I state this constantly.

Now, that in mind I must ask, why doesn't Dante just have Eternal Warrior. He should have eternal warrior, because he IS an eternal warrior! He's lived more than a thousand years and is waiting for his final battle. He knows he needs to fight for the imperium until his time comes and he's supposed to shrug off battle wounds and get back to his duty.

All very good. Anyway, why do you suppose Dante doesn't have EW?

He might not need it, but he sure as hell fits the bill for it.

Lucius the Eternal possesses anyone that manages to kill him and yet he doesn't qualify.

Just being a geriatric Space Marine probably isn't quite enough fluff to warrant EW.

MarsNZ wrote:
Lucius the Eternal possesses anyone that manages to kill him and yet he doesn't qualify.

Just being a geriatric Space Marine probably isn't quite enough fluff to warrant EW.

He is quite far from being a generic space marine.

It had always miffed me why he doesn't have it, when looking at some of the other space marine characters that do have it. Doesn't make much sense

Geriatric***

Not Generic

The best reasoning I've heard for Dante not having EW is that he's been around so long, he's probably already used it.

MarsNZ wrote:
Geriatric***

Not Generic

Sorry it's late :(

You're staying in my country man! It's early!

CaptainHelion wrote:The best reasoning I've heard for Dante not having EW is that he's been around so long, he's probably already used it.

"Been there, done that"

Eldercaveman wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
Geriatric***

Not Generic

Sorry it's late :(

No its not. You're only two hours ahead of me - its only 10 pm now!

It seems GW is heading to the idea of "1 EW per Codex" or something close to that now
When you look at Chaos or DA, there's very few EW characters, it somewhat counterbalances the big nerf to PF sergeants being killed in challenges, and the 2+ LOS! save

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

CaptainHelion wrote:The best reasoning I've heard for Dante not having EW is that he's been around so long, he's probably already used it.

"Been there, done that"

Eldercaveman wrote:

MarsNZ wrote:
Geriatric***

Not Generic

Sorry it's late :(

No its not. You're only two hours ahead of me - its only 10 pm now!

It's late when you had to be up at 5 in the morning


Back on topic, does calgar have EW?

Calgar does. As does Lysander.
In SWs there is Logan Grimnar.
In BA there is Sanguinior yes?
In BT there is anyone with an Adamantium mantle.
In CSM there is Abaddon.
In DA there is Sammael and Azrael I think?
In GK there is Draigo.
In Eldar there are Pheonix Lords.
DE have Vect I believe?
Orks have Ghrazkull.
Tau have none I know of.
Nids have none.
Daemons I am unsure.
Imperial Guard have Yarrik I think.

 Deadshot wrote:
Calgar does. As does Lysander.
In SWs there is Logan Grimnar.
In BA there is Sanguinior yes?
In BT there is anyone with an Adamantium mantle.
In CSM there is Abaddon.
In DA there is Sammael and Azrael I think?
In GK there is Draigo.
In Eldar there are Pheonix Lords.
DE have Vect I believe?
Orks have Ghrazkull.
Tau have none I know of.
Nids have none.
Daemons I am unsure.
Imperial Guard have Yarrik I think.

Tyranids used to. I miss the days of Synapse granting EW...

Swarmlord specifically has a fluff piece that says he never dies and will always come back.

He's not EW.

 Deadshot wrote:

Nids have none.

You mean "Nids have up to 17".

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Nids have none.

You mean "Nids have up to 17".

No. I said it right first time

Wolves actually have three (not to rub it in, because Dante should have it)

Logan
Arjac
A Lone Wolf

You can also give it to a Wolf Lord or WG Battle Leader (although its expensive)

Space Wolves can give any Lord EW. It's not even that expensive.

But yeah, going by the fluff, pretty much all CSM HQs and many of the more established SM ICs would all get EW. But as people said, LoS has made the trait a bit less vital for your main killdozer character.

 Deadshot wrote:

In BT there is anyone with an Adamantium mantle.

Adamantine Mantle doesn't grant EW.

 Deadshot wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:

Nids have none.

You mean "Nids have up to 17".

No. I said it right first time

Depends on whether you count Iron Arm. If so then Nids have up to 17 per FOC.

Dante doens't even have Fearless oh wow! GW

 Sephyr wrote:
Space Wolves can give any Lord EW. It's not even that expensive.

35pts isn't that expensive?

Dante should probably have EW, in exchange for the Sanguinor being expunged from existence, losing a wound (he only has 4W because he's not an EW, much like Azrael) and maybe tone down his stupid death mask.

 Deadshot wrote:
Calgar does. As does Lysander.
In SWs there is Logan Grimnar.
In BA there is Sanguinior yes?
In BT there is anyone with an Adamantium mantle.
In CSM there is Abaddon.
In DA there is Sammael and Azrael I think?
In GK there is Draigo.
In Eldar there are Pheonix Lords.
DE have Vect I believe?
Orks have Ghrazkull.
Tau have none I know of.
Nids have none.
Daemons I am unsure.
Imperial Guard have Yarrik I think.

Yeah looking at this list, Dante definitley should, especially now he doesn't strike untill i1 at the same time as the things that are going to kill him in CC

Dante doesn't have EW because he's freakin old. over a thousand years, thats the oldest marine alive who isn't in a dreadnought.

Calgar, Draigo, etc... all have it because they're in their prime as a Space Marine. Their bodies are tough as nails.

Dante is over the hill so to speak, even Marine bodies can age slightly. Becoming less than what they once were.

 Deadshot wrote:
Calgar does. As does Lysander.
In SWs there is Logan Grimnar.
In BA there is Sanguinior yes?
In BT there is anyone with an Adamantium mantle.
In CSM there is Abaddon.
In DA there is Sammael and Azrael I think?
In GK there is Draigo.
In Eldar there are Pheonix Lords.
DE have Vect I believe?
Orks have Ghrazkull.
Tau have none I know of.
Nids have none.
Daemons I am unsure.
Imperial Guard have Yarrik I think.

Das ist falsch. Vect isn't EW, even though he's 10,000 years old. They have Drazhar instead, who is basically a Phoenix Lord with more spikes.

As it stands, Dante's best feature is his death mask.It's pretty crazy good, even if the rest of him is... meh. He doesn't need EW. Would it make him better? Yes. Is he terrible without it? No. I wouldn't object to him getting it, but he doesn't need it to be effective.

Painbiro wrote:

As it stands, Dante's best feature is his death mask.It's pretty crazy good, even if the rest of him is... meh. He doesn't need EW. Would it make him better? Yes. Is he terrible without it? No. I wouldn't object to him getting it, but he doesn't need it to be effective.

Seconded - the death mask is funny/annoying/infuriating.
Even nerfing primarchs - Horus used to be good, but then he took a nipple to the knee...

I think The Sanguinor should just pony up his rules for Dante.

 Scipio Africanus wrote:
Now, I know... I KNOW that one should never use fluff as a reason for rules. The way it works in real life is just not important. I know. I state this constantly.

Now, that in mind I must ask, why doesn't Dante just have Eternal Warrior. He should have eternal warrior, because he IS an eternal warrior! He's lived more than a thousand years and is waiting for his final battle. He knows he needs to fight for the imperium until his time comes and he's supposed to shrug off battle wounds and get back to his duty.

All very good. Anyway, why do you suppose Dante doesn't have EW?

He might not need it, but he sure as hell fits the bill for it.

I dont see anywhere in the fluff anything about Dante being vaporized by a meltagun and still going strong.
He might survive many a wound, but that doesnt mean that when wounded he doesnt go down for the battle. He has probably been removed as a casualty many a time, only to heal up and come back to later to fight another day. Casualty doesnt mean dead, it means to wounded to continue fighting. EW means that no wound, no matter how severe will stop a character. They will keep going until they are killed.

Abbadon can be killed, but he cannot be stopped short of killing him. The phoneix lords can be killed(although they come back), but they cannot be stopped short of killing them. Gazgul can be killed, but cannot be stopped short of killing them. They have EW. Dante perhaps cannot be killed, but he can be wounded and taken out of a fight, hence no EW.

I think there's another way to look at this. Most characters who have EW have it because they're dedicated combat characters who are meant to take on enemies with very high strength. Does Dante, with his power axe, really fit that criteria? That's why so many Space Wolves units have it, if they didn't they'd be practically useless at their role of character-hunting. The only one who is a little out of left field is Sammael.