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Yeah but can you field 133 infantry models and 6 tanks for that price point, 50 of which RESPAWN EVERY TIME YOU KILL THEM?!?!?
I thought so.
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'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell
Anything involving the Dais of Destruction - 440 points plus 9 models of your choice. It'll either destroy everything or fail miserable, the latter more than the former.
They are expensive but that squad alone will probably win you the game. Death Company are insanely nasty. Especially if you do what my friend does and thrown in a Sanguinary priest for FNP with every....single....squad. Nightmare.
I think death company come with FNP, however if you throw a chaplain in that squad...
Sorry, you're right. And he does,
Death Company + Chaplain, plus every other squad in his BA army has a priest for army-wide FNP. In the last year or so i have yet to beat him.
Dias of destruction with 9 grotesques, due to the rules saying that it has to start with nine models plus vect, not that it has a carrying capacity of nine
"Your friends can't save you now, they are hanging from the spires, just as you will be, should you fail."- kabal of the broken blade.
The Guard. They have a Platoon Command Squad and can mob the five Infantry Squads into one blob that will put out a hundred and thirty lasgun shots. Not to mention the twenty lascannons and nine demo charges that will ignore your armour and feel no pain outright. Oh, I'm sorry, were you expecting to charge them? You'll have to fight your way through the entire Conscript squad during every single one of your turns, so you're not gonna be charging into those Guard. You're locked in combat during their turn, you say? Oh, I'm sorry, Chenkov's already written those conscripts off. Send in the next wave!
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
That's nothing. I deep struck a Necron Raiding Force under the old codex (Lord, 5 Warrior squads, 20 Scarabs and 15 Destroyers) onto the centre objective and got practically wiped in a single turn by Damoclese Rhino orbital strikes. So I got back up with my old-style Rez Orbs and they did it again.
"That time I only loaded the cannon with powder. Next time, I will fill it with jewels and diamonds and they will cut you to shrebbons!" - Nogbad the Bad.
The Guard. They have a Platoon Command Squad and can mob the five Infantry Squads into one blob that will put out a hundred and thirty lasgun shots. Not to mention the twenty lascannons and nine demo charges that will ignore your armour and feel no pain outright. Oh, I'm sorry, were you expecting to charge them? You'll have to fight your way through the entire Conscript squad during every single one of your turns, so you're not gonna be charging into those Guard. You're locked in combat during their turn, you say? Oh, I'm sorry, Chenkov's already written those conscripts off. Send in the next wave!
huh. Tried to replicate this into v2.0 and I got: 2735 points for:
Spoiler:
PCS with cheknov, 4x plasma
5x infantry squads with PG and LC in total blingged chimeras sarges with 2x PP
5x tri-lascannon HWT
50 man conscripts squad
2x DCsws
139 models. 6 tanks. at 12" that's 40 plasmagun shots, 208 lasgun shots, then FRFSRF. Then 24 multilas shots, 18 HB shots. 6 demo charges. 14 lascannon shots. all on the turn you deepstrike. you are now dust in the wind, regardless of your saves. your facing roughly 18 plasmagun shots, 66 lasgun shots, 10 multilas, 7 HB, 3 demo, and 6 lascannons. minimum 6 dead (no FNP on lascannons) and another 25ish failed saves and 18 PG saves. after FNP your with 12.5 and 9, totaling 22.5 dead marines, 28.5 with the LC fire. Meaning BEFORE you could attack me I destroy 29/30 of your force. Then I activate FRSSRF and kill the last 1, all in one turn, all before you can kill a single model. Now, if I wanted to add another 265 points on another platoon with PG/LC I may not need the FRSSRF my money is on the single infantry blob! Go quantity over quality!
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Azreal13 wrote: Not that it matters because given the amount of interbreeding that went on with that lot I'm pretty sure the Queen is her own Uncle.
BA 6000; 1250
Really this thread just failed on about 3 levels, you should all feel bad and do better.-motyak
2013/03/20 15:02:08
Subject: Re:The biggest point sink you have seen...
About Imperial Guard:
Commissar Yarrick (185p), 10 ogryns (410), chimera with everything (120) That's 715 points for 5+ save squad in transport, they can't even get into.
I agree that uber platoon costs way more points, but it's somehow killy, unlike footslogging ogryns (or any ogryns).
True, this is the biggest point sink after all. That's why I was saying I win against death company, because those guadsmen are decent, but theyre not unstoppable at those points
Boy that would be a sight to see on the table to have a full platoon deployed.
'I've played Guard for years, and the best piece of advice is to always utilize the Guard's best special rule: "we roll more dice than you" ' - stormleader
"Sector Imperialis: 25mm and 40mm Round Bases (40+20) 26€ (Including 32 skulls for basing) " GW design philosophy in a nutshell
ImRightBehindYou wrote: People seem to be confused regarding my post.
A 30 man Death company squad, one squad of 30, not three of ten, with dual thunder hammers, and jump packs, with Lemartes is 3000 pts. even.
ImRightBehindYou wrote: People seem to be confused regarding my post.
A 30 man Death company squad, one squad of 30, not three of ten, with dual thunder hammers, and jump packs, with Lemartes is 3000 pts. even.
Helbrecht+Grimaldus
10 Initiates, 1 neophyte, all w/ grenades
-double lascannon
-crusader seals
-all with terminator honors
-apothecary, standard bearer, and champion upgrades purchased
-100 points of wargear purchased from armory for sgt, apothecary, standard bearer, and champ
-Furious charge
-Land raider crusader with all the bells and whistles
Comes out to 1233 for 2 characters underequipped for 6th, 10 marines, 4 with swag they'll never use (mostly), but it's funny anyways, a superscout, and a transport that prevents me from adding another scout like all the young kids, and thus increasing the points cost. Unfortunately only 4 guys can purchase equipment from the armory, or I would have even moar points
From 3++
"Because your captain is smarter than Belial and all templar commanders ever, he doesn't discard his iron halo when you dress him up as a terminator. Remember this."
Best I can manage is a fully kitted Storm Eagle stuffed with a terminator libby and a maxed squad of terminators. Seems almost sane compared to some of the suggestions that have been waved around!
MrMoustaffa wrote: True, this is the biggest point sink after all. That's why I was saying I win against death company, because those guadsmen are decent, but theyre not unstoppable at those points
Boy that would be a sight to see on the table to have a full platoon deployed.
Would love to see a full FOC with 6 of this and all the other slots fully kitted out
I decided to see how ineffective I could make an Ork army. The best way to spend a whole lot of points to no good effect is cybergrotz. Take Mad Dok Grotsnik, buy several full-sized Gretchin squads, then cybork them. 5 points per 3 point model to give them a 5++.
2013/03/25 07:53:50
Subject: Re:The biggest point sink you have seen...
The answer is obviously Aun'va - 205 pts for a rerollablle 4+ cover save and 2 bodyguards that will do no damage and cause half your army to run away when they are inevitably killed.
railgun to the face!
2013/03/25 08:33:34
Subject: Re:The biggest point sink you have seen...
Helbrecht+Grimaldus
10 Initiates, 1 neophyte, all w/ grenades
-double lascannon
-crusader seals
-all with terminator honors
-apothecary, standard bearer, and champion upgrades purchased
-100 points of wargear purchased from armory for sgt, apothecary, standard bearer, and champ
-Furious charge
-Land raider crusader with all the bells and whistles
Comes out to 1233 for 2 characters underequipped for 6th, 10 marines, 4 with swag they'll never use (mostly), but it's funny anyways, a superscout, and a transport that prevents me from adding another scout like all the young kids, and thus increasing the points cost. Unfortunately only 4 guys can purchase equipment from the armory, or I would have even moar points
Someone actually fielded this at nationals here in NZ in 2011. Everyone was raving about how hard it was to kill. Then my friend's guard army killed it in two turns of shooting.
You want to hear about points sinks?
Iron Hand Straken
Command Squad with Medic, Kell, Heavy Flamer, Plasma Gun, Carapace Armor, Krak Grenades, Camo Cloaks
Nork Deddog
Astropath
Master of Ordnance
Officer of the Fleet
Commissar Yarrick
5x Priests with Eviscerators
Chimera with all the bells and whistles
biggest point sink I've played against was a squad of 10 sword&board Lychguard with both an Overlord and a Lord attached, spent the majority of the game buried in gaunts.
Ailaros wrote: You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!"
Just thinking... If you combined all the guard ones to make like 4 REALLY expensive HQs, 12 full platoons, 6 10man ogryn squads, 6 full rough rider squads and then like 18 LRBT... how many points would you have to be Playing?! Or you could do BA... astorath, plus 3 other REALLY expensive HQ, then 12 full squads of JPDC w. 2x thunderhammers, chaplains in each (lemartes in one). Then a load of other stuff.
I mean wow.
Note to the reader: my username is not arrogance. No, my name is taken from the most excellent of commanders: Lord Castellan Creed, of the Imperial Guar- I mean Astra Militarum - who has a special rule known only as "Tactical Genius"... Although nowhere near as awesome as before, it now allows some cool stuff for the Guar- Astra Militarum - player. FEAR ME AND MY TWO WARLORD TRAITS.
MrMoustaffa wrote: True, this is the biggest point sink after all. That's why I was saying I win against death company, because those guadsmen are decent, but theyre not unstoppable at those points
Boy that would be a sight to see on the table to have a full platoon deployed.
Would love to see a full FOC with 6 of this and all the other slots fully kitted out
Spoiler:
Q: CCSx2 (24 models; Commissar, Chimera, and all Advisors, including Officer of the Fleet and Astropath, which are MANDATORY)
Priest x5
Techpriest x2 (With 10 servitors. Give 'em ALL plasma cannons. Because you can.)
Elites: Stormtroopers all around, bitches (30 models)
Troops: 6x FULL Infantry platoons (6x6-man CCS + Chimeras, 30x11-man Infantry squads + Chimeras, 30x6-man Heavy squads (it's two guys on one base, be glad I'm not counting the gun model), 12x6-man Special squads, and 6x50-man Conscript squads. 954 models, bitch)
Fast: 3x Rough Rider squads (30 models)
Heavy Support: 9x Leman Russ EXECUTIONERS WITH FULL PLASMA-SPONSONS (STFU. You want them)
Grand total: 1064 models, INCLUDING Chimeras. Yes. You can have one-thousand models on the table. THIS IS THE GUARD. OUR INFANTRY ARE BLOBS.
Want MORE INSANITY? For an extra 500 points you can make those 300 Conscripts UNDYING MONSTROSITIES! This is also mandatory, no exceptions.
But unless you're a millionaire or you've been in the Guard since 2nd edition, you aren't pulling this off. ALSO IT COSTS 13295 POINTS TO FIELD ALL THIS gak JESUS
Things get even more ridiculous with the new 2000+ double FOC change in 6th edition!
HQ: 4x CCS + advisors + chimeras, 10x Priest, 4x techpriest + servitors
Elite: 6x 10-man stormtroopers + chimeras
Troops: 12x Infantry Platoons
Fast Attack: 6x 10-man Rough Riders
Heavy Support: 18x Leman Russes
Total: 1850 troops, 100+ tanks (72 Chimeras, 18 Leman Russes) That's right, a non-apocIG can and WILL run your ass over with a megaton of tanks and bodies!!! That's a true fething RAPETRAIN! (If you have 24,700+ point games that is)
That's what it'd look like.
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Think of a daemon incursion like a fart you don't quite trust... you could either toot a little puff of air, bellow a great effluvium, or utterly sh*t your pants and cry as it floods down your leg.
2013/06/23 00:53:16
Subject: Re:The biggest point sink you have seen...
My brothers "BIG BOYS BUS TRIP" playing in a 2000 pt torny.. he played space wolfs .. He'd deploy with 2 land raiders (1 normal 1 Crusader) and a land speeder...
Opponent would ask? what have you got in reserve?.... Nothing...
he had 2 units of termi wolf gaurd with Logan and Njal..
It was his on deathwing..
14,000pts ish
/ 2500pts ish
4500pts ish
/marine 8500pts ish
ON A 2+ I GET TO HIT YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH THE RULEBOOK
Possessed can be pretty expensive and fail horridly pretty easy but i'm sure they are probably not the worst points sink of all.
Heralds of Rot CSM 4000 pts
"In short there is no Order only Chaos eternal so lament and be quelled with fear if you serve the False Emperor or accept the gifts bestowed by the pantheon of the four gods and rejoice as the galaxy burns." - Unknown Wordbearer
2013/06/23 04:16:37
Subject: Re:The biggest point sink you have seen...
2000 points. Win:23 Draw:3 Lost:3
(Iron Warriors) 
413th Lucius Exterminaton Legion- 4,000pts 
BA 6000; 
1250
a four cover save isnt enough for instant death tough the warboss carries on.
railgun to the face! 
1500 
2000 
14,000pts ish
2500pts ish