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I've read all the HH books with the phrase 'There are no wolves on Fenris', but I never really understood, what it actually means?

Of what I've understood it means that There are no wolves on Fenris quite literally, as in the 'wolves' on Fenris aren't that but instead are humans overcome by the Canis Helix.

What it means is that the Space Wolves ride around on the backs of their Battle Brothers.

Fulgrim approves

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How rude.

All joking aside, the phrase "There are no wolves on Fenris" is just Magnus trying to be clever - Fenrisian Wolves are genetically unique from Terran Wolves, and therefore shouldn't be classed under the same genus. He's being a great big nerd, basically. Which is why we love him.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
What it means is that the Space Wolves ride around on the backs of their Battle Brothers.

The Space Wolves are making the beast with two backs?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
All joking aside, the phrase "There are no wolves on Fenris" is just Magnus trying to be clever - Fenrisian Wolves are genetically unique from Terran Wolves, and therefore shouldn't be classed under the same genus. He's being a great big nerd, basically. Which is why we love him.

Even actual Space Wolves adhere to the "no wolves on Fenris" thing.

"There were no wolves on Fenris... Until we came."

 Furyou Miko wrote:
All joking aside, the phrase "There are no wolves on Fenris" is just Magnus trying to be clever - Fenrisian Wolves are genetically unique from Terran Wolves, and therefore shouldn't be classed under the same genus. He's being a great big nerd, basically. Which is why we love him.

Magnus IS clever. In terms of sheer intelligence, he was the most intelligent among the Primarchs. And I wouldn't call him a nerd either; while he certainly seems to have become something of a NEET after his 'ascension', Primarch Magnus was a dedicated warrior as well as a scholar.

That is actually an important distinction between Magnus and his closest brother, Lorgar.

Both viewed themselves as scholars, but while Lorgar did not think of himself as a warrior, Magnus knew full-well he was meant to be one, and was content with that fact.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
That is actually an important distinction between Magnus and his closest brother, Lorgar.

Both viewed themselves as scholars, but while Lorgar did not think of himself as a warrior, Magnus knew full-well he was meant to be one, and was content with that fact.

Lorgar was a nerd. Magnus was a true scholar-warrior. If only it wasn't for his towering pride and monumentally arrogant belief in his own mastery over the Warp (he should have focused on psionic mastery rather than unlocking the forbidden secrets of sorcery), Magnus along with Sanguinius would easily have counted as a perfect Primarch. Perfect as in he was everything the Emperor meant for him to be.

... The Emperor intended Magnus to be a freaking battery. Some great destiny that was.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
That is actually an important distinction between Magnus and his closest brother, Lorgar.

Both viewed themselves as scholars, but while Lorgar did not think of himself as a warrior, Magnus knew full-well he was meant to be one, and was content with that fact.

Lorgar was a nerd. Magnus was a true scholar-warrior. If only it wasn't for his towering pride and monumentally arrogant belief in his own mastery over the Warp (he should have focused on psionic mastery rather than unlocking the forbidden secrets of sorcery), Magnus along with Sanguinius would easily have counted as a perfect Primarch. Perfect as in he was everything the Emperor meant for him to be.

BIG FAT NO

...Sanguinius was a mutant, and Magnus was Magnus because of Tzeench (knowlege for an eye, tyvm), but Magnus looked like the Emprah in a spirit way IIRC ...
Fulgrim was perfect physicaly, while Lorgar had the Emprah looks, Horus was the angel boy x 128 (before corruption)....point is, every primarch had emprah part of personality IMHO....

Funny how some people are comparing primarchs with the Emprah when we know 0 about the Empy's personality....

On topic my theory is like Magnus said - the wolves are the first colonists geneticaly modified (later mutated) to endure the harsh conditions of the planet...




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 Furyou Miko wrote:
... The Emperor intended Magnus to be a freaking battery. Some great destiny that was.

Yeah, that deamon (just before Prospero burned) was teasing him about that....scholar my arse, battery is the life for you my son...

Not quite true.

From the existence of the Imperial Truth, his plans for Magnus and the throne, and the way he acted in regards to Angron's friends, we know that the Emperor was either a complete moron when it came to interpersonal relationships or a Nietzschean schemer who put aside his emotions for the great plan.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Not quite true.

From the existence of the Imperial Truth, his plans for Magnus and the throne, and the way he acted in regards to Angron's friends, we know that the Emperor was either a complete moron when it came to interpersonal relationships or a Nietzschean schemer who put aside his emotions for the great plan.

But there are to many "if", and the motives of the Emp are rather unknown (primarch role)...
I say everyone of them were tools, which would be discarded after they served their use...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
... The Emperor intended Magnus to be a freaking battery. Some great destiny that was.

It was implied that apart from the Emperor, Magnus was the only one could use the Golden Throne without getting killed in the process. In any case, the Golden Throne was a stop-gap measure as the Imperium could not replicate the construction materials of the Webway. Once they could, the Golden Throne would become unnecessary.

 DarthMarko wrote:


Yeah, that deamon (just before Prospero burned) was teasing him about that....scholar my arse, battery is the life for you my son...

You would believe the words of Daemons? It's ironic that the traitors fought to prevent the visions they were shown from happening, yet their actions ultimately brought those same visions to fruition.

Living battery is a well known fact in 40k...I think Magnus wouldn't be thrilled with that role...
If Tzeench just let him play that role, he would gain much more....

 DarthMarko wrote:
Living battery is a well known fact in 40k...I think Magnus wouldn't be thrilled with that role...
If Tzeench just let him play that role, he would gain much more....

Eh, not really. The Astronomican originally did not require psykers to be fed into it; the Emperor actually powered and focused it at first. When he switched his attentions to the Imperial Webway Project, he continued to focus it, but accepted a solution put forward by Malcador regarding how to continue powering the Astronomican when the Emperor needed to maintain the psychic barriers around the incomplete, Human-built sections of the Webway: to use sacrificial psykers to power the beacon. The Emperor though made it clear that this would only be temporary; he intended to power the Astronomican himself once he entrusted the Imperial Webway to Magnus. Which would also have been temporary; once Imperial understanding of the Webway had made the Golden Throne redundant, Magnus would be free to return to the front lines.

when you put it that way...maybe you are right...I guess we ll never know

Living battery. Long live Manchu for that theory. Hehe.

Empy or Magnus being alive and getting nutrition the normal way wouldn't need psykers getting fed to them. WH30k is different from WH40k as 30k had hope, while 40k is a rather hopeless and dark place where only hardline determination, superstition and a dogged belief in Empy can save a mortal man.

... Empy?



Arguably, the Hope in 30k was a manufactured thing - it depended entirely on the Emperor's survival, and the fact that he assumed that his survival was guaranteed rather than even trusting twenty other demigods with the whole plan is probably the reason it all failed.

Can you imagine? A 40k where the Primarchs knew the whole truth instead of the half-truths and lies the Emperor actually gave them?

 Furyou Miko wrote:
... Empy?

Spoiler:

Arguably, the Hope in 30k was a manufactured thing - it depended entirely on the Emperor's survival, and the fact that he assumed that his survival was guaranteed rather than even trusting twenty other demigods with the whole plan is probably the reason it all failed.

Can you imagine? A 40k where the Primarchs knew the whole truth instead of the half-truths and lies the Emperor actually gave them?

Oh yes, I can imagine all right. Red banners wave and golden eagles fly. Order. Salvation from Chaos. A new dawn for Mankind across the stars.

Though I imagine Melissa and other die-hard Ecclesiarchy individuals would be raging over the progressive, rational, and trans-Human mindset of the Imperium. I mean, even if is the Council of Terra that governs the Imperium, the ultimate orientation of the Imperium won't be to maintain the status quo, but to push forward Human progress...including evolutionary progress. And that means bringing the Emperor's dream of Mankind replacing the Eldar as the dominant psychic species in the galaxy to completion.

In that situation, at the top of the Imperial Hierarchy is the Emperor (well duh). Below him are the Council of Terra and the Warmaster; technically they would be equals, but the Council has priority as it actually governs the Imperium via the Imperial Administration. An exception would be military situations, during which the Imperial Administration's and even the Council's authority are superseded by the Warmaster and his subordinates. It would be composed of the Lord of the Imperial Administration, the Fabricator-General of Mars, the Captain-General of the Custodians (representing the Emperor), and scions of the great aristocratic dynasties of the Segmentum Solar. The Navigator Houses and the Astropaths would have seats in the beginning...but would ultimately lose them as the Imperial Webway Project is completed and the Eldar Webway is explored and brought under Imperial control. On the other hand, the Warmaster would directly oversee all military matters, commanding his fellow Primarchs and the Lord Commanders of the Imperial Army.

You know, I'm one of those Ecclesiarchs... lol

I think that version of the galaxy would probably be better though. The Ecclesiarchy is... well. The phrase is 'Necessary evil' for a reason.

The hope was there nevertheless. Back then there were no need for the extreme indoctrination of the present setting. And why shall Melissia and the other fans of the Ecclechiarchy rant over what was once?

I like the present setting, it's perfect and dark. A dying empire still with some cest of life left. That's the attraction of WH40k, if I want something more lighter and brighter I go for something else like Smallville or Charmed as frankly WH30k is dull and uninteresting for me.

As for Empy Miko. That is a non-brainer.

30k was almost nothing but indoctrination. The Emperor mindraped everyone into believing the stupid as hell gak he spoused, and had remembrancers peddle the most brainwashing, illogical garbage you could imagine.

Just read that speech in the first book from that old remembrancer.

We seem to be getting a little off track here. What he means by "there are no wolves on fenris" is that "there are NO wolves on fenris". That means before humanity colonised the planet, wolves or the equivalent native wolf analogue xenoform did not exist natively living on fenris. All wolves were brought to the planet by colonising humans, who extensively genetically modified normal terran wolves to survive the harsh fenrisian conditions.

So what it really means is "there are no NATIVE wolves on fenris"

My answer was better.

I took the quote by Magnus to mean Space Wolves, and one spoken by a man supreme in his belief that he had drawn all the Space Wolves away from Fenris. He was wrong of course.

As for WH30k, of course it was indoctrination, but a different and more free one. It's more akin to the present era than the darkness of WH40k.

Why do people talk about that quote like Magnus is the only one to say it, lol?

Magnus said it because he's a huge nerd, as a previous poster said, but the Space Wolves themselves acknowledge that there were no wolves on Fenris... Before they were there.

All Fenrisian wolves were formerly human, in some capacity.

Therefore, the Space Wolves ride around on eachother's backs.