There are no wolves on Fenris

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**Beaviz81**

No the Space Wolves becomes werewolves when the curse of the Wulfen goes highwire. It doesn't suddenly make a man a wolf. Changing into a wolf-like human is different that changing from human to wolf.

**Void__Dragon**

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Uh no. You're correct about the indoctrination part but not the mindrape part.

You know what I find funny, its been mentioned in some sources that DAoT humanity had come to see science as god and all powerful or something like that and didn't care about religion. Something the Emp himself espouses.

I am correct on both accounts actually.

Kelbor Hal got a healthy dosage of mindrape from the Emperor when they met, and his raw psychic presence overrides the rationality of mortals in his presence and makes them want to follow him. Only the Primarchs seem wholly immune to this power.

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Beaviz81 wrote:
No the Space Wolves becomes werewolves when the curse of the Wulfen goes highwire. It doesn't suddenly make a man a wolf. Changing into a wolf-like human is different that changing from human to wolf.

There is no difference. The oldest tales of werewolves didn't turn men into some weird hybrid. They just became wolves.

**Corporal_Reznov**

Void__Dragon wrote:
Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Uh no. You're correct about the indoctrination part but not the mindrape part.

You know what I find funny, its been mentioned in some sources that DAoT humanity had come to see science as god and all powerful or something like that and didn't care about religion. Something the Emp himself espouses.

I am correct on both accounts actually.

Kelbor Hal got a healthy dosage of mindrape from the Emperor when they met, and his raw psychic presence overrides the rationality of mortals in his presence and makes them want to follow him. Only the Primarchs seem wholly immune to this power.

I was talking about the everyone part. I don't see the raw psychic presence part as mind rape unless you say that the effect Primarchs have on mortals where they awe them and gak is also mind rape?

And you are one to talk about mind rape! Seeing as Magnus and his useless feth up the Webway stunt truly did mind rape Terra causing entire families to forget each other and such.

**Beaviz81**

Void__Dragon wrote:
There is no difference. The oldest tales of werewolves didn't turn men into some weird hybrid. They just became wolves.

Ehm no. The myth has always been men turning into wolflike rabid creatures. Likely due to rabies which is what the Wulfen suffers from. Space-Rabies.

**Furyou Miko**

The idea of anyone trying to claim that there is one true traditional werewolf legend is laughable.

There are hybrid werewolf legends. There are animal form werewolf legends. There are even human form werewolf legends, where the werewolf's true form is the animal.

The term mind rape is being used far too casually here. Mind rape is a total psychic violation of someone's personality and values. You can't mind rape a planet.

**Corporal_Reznov**

Furyou Miko wrote:

The term mind rape is being used far too casually here. Mind rape is a total psychic violation of someone's personality and values. You can't mind rape a planet.

Poor choice of words on my part. I meant that Magnus mind raped or fethed up the minds of the people on Terra.

**Furyou Miko**

Not really. He shattered the wards and broke a lot of circuits in the throne, but he didn't really attack any of the people there.

**Corporal_Reznov**

Furyou Miko wrote:
Not really. He shattered the wards and broke a lot of circuits in the throne, but he didn't really attack any of the people there.

See below:

The Outcast Dead Page 164 wrote:Mobs of lunatics bearing cudgels and brickbats laid siege to columned palaces and clashed with other mobs for no reason any one person could adequately explain.
...
Those on the dark side of the world suffered nightmares the like of which had not been seen since the bleakest watches of Old Night.
...
Entire cities of Terra awoke screaming and millions died by their own hand as their minds fragmented in the face of such psychic assault. Others awoke with their minds altered in fundamental ways that rendered them into entirely new individuals. Fathers, wives and children forgot one another as mental pathways were erased or rewritten in vulgar ways that wiped entire families from existence.
In places where the barrier between the material realm and the warp was already thin, manifestations of dreams and nightmares stalked the landscape. Black-furred wolves with burning lights for eyes descended from the mountains to devastate entire communities, and no weapon could slay them. Entire populations vanished as their towns and burgs were swallowed whole by catastrophic overspills of warp energy, leaving nothing but eerily empty buildings in their aftermath.

All over the globe, the people of Terra suffered for Magnus’s hubris, but nowhere felt the shockwave of his return more powerfully than the City of Sight.

The Outcast Dead page 226 wrote:The Bleed roared and seethed like an atmospheric superstorm, raging with the distilled nightmares and collected visions of thousands of traumatised astro-telepaths. Hundreds had been killed in the psychic shockwave that still echoed in the planet’s aether, and hundreds more would never regain full use of their abilities

He destroyed the Emp's work by punching holes into the human built portion of the Webway and nearly got Terra eaten by daemons alongside all that are stated in the posts.

**Furyou Miko**

That was all side-effect though.

**Deadshot**

In regards to the OP, I believe that it is more literal than anything mentioned. I believe them are simply stating that the Vlka Fenryke are NOT wolves, mindless animals or rabid attack hounds. They are simply doing their jo. Basically someone says
"You are savage wolves, the wolves of Fenris!"
"There are no wolves on Fenri (Tjat's BS!)"

**Void__Dragon**

Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I was talking about the everyone part. I don't see the raw psychic presence part as mind rape unless you say that the effect Primarchs have on mortals where they awe them and gak is also mind rape?

And you are one to talk about mind rape! Seeing as Magnus and his useless feth up the Webway stunt truly did mind rape Terra causing entire families to forget each other and such.

Uh, yeah, it's certainly mindrape, lol.

That's cool I guess? I don't dislike the Emperor for his casual mental domination of mortals, nor do I dislike Magnus for his casual mental domination of his scribe (I love how no one really seemed to care that Magnus was basically turning an old man insane with his telepathic shenanigans), which is a better example as it was intentional. Grimdark is cool with me.

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Beaviz81 wrote:
Ehm no. The myth has always been men turning into wolflike rabid creatures. Likely due to rabies which is what the Wulfen suffers from. Space-Rabies.

Afraid not my friend. In medieval mythology among the more common legends were that they simply turned into wolves, or maybe dire wolves.

Or, because Satan is a pussy and his magic sucks, deals with the devil only gave you the power to make an illusion that you are a wolf, not that you actually were one.

**Beaviz81**

Dire wolves is more recent and American. You are way lost there VD, sorry but do a Wikipedia-search on them and you will see how moot your point is.

**Void__Dragon**

Beaviz81 wrote:
Dire wolves is more recent and American. You are way lost there VD, sorry but do a Wikipedia-search on them and you will see how moot your point is.

Dire wolves were actual wolves that existed ten thousand years ago, lol.

And I was using dire wolf as a catch-all term for "really big wolf".

**Furyou Miko**

It doesn't matter, because you're both right.

Native American legends talk of men who turn into wolves.

Scottish legends talk of men who turn into wolves.

English legends talk of wolves who walk like men and men who turn into wolves.

German legends talk of witches who take on bestial forms or transform themselves into animals outright.

Asian legends talk of a whole variety of animals with human forms.

**DarthMarko**

Except this isn't about myths (I could even dig that) ; it's about genetics and the whole reproduction process...

**Corporal_Reznov**

Furyou Miko wrote:That was all side-effect though.

Still mindrape and worse then anything the Emp did.

Void__Dragon wrote:
Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I was talking about the everyone part. I don't see the raw psychic presence part as mind rape unless you say that the effect Primarchs have on mortals where they awe them and gak is also mind rape?

And you are one to talk about mind rape! Seeing as Magnus and his useless feth up the Webway stunt truly did mind rape Terra causing entire families to forget each other and such.

Uh, yeah, it's certainly mindrape, lol.

lol, then a lot of people in 40k commit mind rape. Congratulations then.

**Blackcrusader**

Than what the hell are fenrisian wolves!?

**Deadshot**

Blackcrusader wrote:
Than what the hell are fenrisian wolves!?

Not wolves as we know. As in Earth wolves. So technically not wolves.

**Beaviz81**

Blackcrusader wrote:
Than what the hell are fenrisian wolves!?

Actually according to Norse sagas they are the offspring of Fenris, which is the greatest wolf ever, which explains the many wolves at Fenris. At a separate level I sort of think the Fenrisian fauna to be like the mega-fauna that existed during the last ice-age with mammoths, hairy rhinos and such.

**Furyou Miko**

Blackcrusader wrote:
Than what the hell are fenrisian wolves!?

They are vaguely canine-shaped xenos.

But come on, they don't even look that much like wolves.