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No the Space Wolves becomes werewolves when the curse of the Wulfen goes highwire. It doesn't suddenly make a man a wolf. Changing into a wolf-like human is different that changing from human to wolf.

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Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Uh no. You're correct about the indoctrination part but not the mindrape part.

You know what I find funny, its been mentioned in some sources that DAoT humanity had come to see science as god and all powerful or something like that and didn't care about religion. Something the Emp himself espouses.


I am correct on both accounts actually.

Kelbor Hal got a healthy dosage of mindrape from the Emperor when they met, and his raw psychic presence overrides the rationality of mortals in his presence and makes them want to follow him. Only the Primarchs seem wholly immune to this power.


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 Beaviz81 wrote:
No the Space Wolves becomes werewolves when the curse of the Wulfen goes highwire. It doesn't suddenly make a man a wolf. Changing into a wolf-like human is different that changing from human to wolf.


There is no difference. The oldest tales of werewolves didn't turn men into some weird hybrid. They just became wolves.

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 Void__Dragon wrote:
Corporal_Reznov wrote:
Uh no. You're correct about the indoctrination part but not the mindrape part.

You know what I find funny, its been mentioned in some sources that DAoT humanity had come to see science as god and all powerful or something like that and didn't care about religion. Something the Emp himself espouses.


I am correct on both accounts actually.

Kelbor Hal got a healthy dosage of mindrape from the Emperor when they met, and his raw psychic presence overrides the rationality of mortals in his presence and makes them want to follow him. Only the Primarchs seem wholly immune to this power.
I was talking about the everyone part. I don't see the raw psychic presence part as mind rape unless you say that the effect Primarchs have on mortals where they awe them and gak is also mind rape?

And you are one to talk about mind rape! Seeing as Magnus and his useless feth up the Webway stunt truly did mind rape Terra causing entire families to forget each other and such.

Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.

But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.

But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."  
   
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 Void__Dragon wrote:
There is no difference. The oldest tales of werewolves didn't turn men into some weird hybrid. They just became wolves.


Ehm no. The myth has always been men turning into wolflike rabid creatures. Likely due to rabies which is what the Wulfen suffers from. Space-Rabies.

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The idea of anyone trying to claim that there is one true traditional werewolf legend is laughable.

There are hybrid werewolf legends. There are animal form werewolf legends. There are even human form werewolf legends, where the werewolf's true form is the animal.

The term mind rape is being used far too casually here. Mind rape is a total psychic violation of someone's personality and values. You can't mind rape a planet.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:

The term mind rape is being used far too casually here. Mind rape is a total psychic violation of someone's personality and values. You can't mind rape a planet.
Poor choice of words on my part. I meant that Magnus mind raped or fethed up the minds of the people on Terra.

Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.

But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.

But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."  
   
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Not really. He shattered the wards and broke a lot of circuits in the throne, but he didn't really attack any of the people there.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Not really. He shattered the wards and broke a lot of circuits in the throne, but he didn't really attack any of the people there.
See below:
The Outcast Dead Page 164 wrote:Mobs of lunatics bearing cudgels and brickbats laid siege to columned palaces and clashed with other mobs for no reason any one person could adequately explain.
...
Those on the dark side of the world suffered nightmares the like of which had not been seen since the bleakest watches of Old Night.
...
Entire cities of Terra awoke screaming and millions died by their own hand as their minds fragmented in the face of such psychic assault. Others awoke with their minds altered in fundamental ways that rendered them into entirely new individuals. Fathers, wives and children forgot one another as mental pathways were erased or rewritten in vulgar ways that wiped entire families from existence.
In places where the barrier between the material realm and the warp was already thin, manifestations of dreams and nightmares stalked the landscape. Black-furred wolves with burning lights for eyes descended from the mountains to devastate entire communities, and no weapon could slay them. Entire populations vanished as their towns and burgs were swallowed whole by catastrophic overspills of warp energy, leaving nothing but eerily empty buildings in their aftermath.

All over the globe, the people of Terra suffered for Magnus’s hubris, but nowhere felt the shockwave of his return more powerfully than the City of Sight.


The Outcast Dead page 226 wrote:The Bleed roared and seethed like an atmospheric superstorm, raging with the distilled nightmares and collected visions of thousands of traumatised astro-telepaths. Hundreds had been killed in the psychic shockwave that still echoed in the planet’s aether, and hundreds more would never regain full use of their abilities


He destroyed the Emp's work by punching holes into the human built portion of the Webway and nearly got Terra eaten by daemons alongside all that are stated in the posts.

Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.

But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.

But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."  
   
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That was all side-effect though.



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In regards to the OP, I believe that it is more literal than anything mentioned. I believe them are simply stating that the Vlka Fenryke are NOT wolves, mindless animals or rabid attack hounds. They are simply doing their jo. Basically someone says
"You are savage wolves, the wolves of Fenris!"
"There are no wolves on Fenri (Tjat's BS!)"

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Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I was talking about the everyone part. I don't see the raw psychic presence part as mind rape unless you say that the effect Primarchs have on mortals where they awe them and gak is also mind rape?

And you are one to talk about mind rape! Seeing as Magnus and his useless feth up the Webway stunt truly did mind rape Terra causing entire families to forget each other and such.


Uh, yeah, it's certainly mindrape, lol.

That's cool I guess? I don't dislike the Emperor for his casual mental domination of mortals, nor do I dislike Magnus for his casual mental domination of his scribe (I love how no one really seemed to care that Magnus was basically turning an old man insane with his telepathic shenanigans), which is a better example as it was intentional. Grimdark is cool with me.


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 Beaviz81 wrote:
Ehm no. The myth has always been men turning into wolflike rabid creatures. Likely due to rabies which is what the Wulfen suffers from. Space-Rabies.


Afraid not my friend. In medieval mythology among the more common legends were that they simply turned into wolves, or maybe dire wolves.

Or, because Satan is a pussy and his magic sucks, deals with the devil only gave you the power to make an illusion that you are a wolf, not that you actually were one.

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Dire wolves is more recent and American. You are way lost there VD, sorry but do a Wikipedia-search on them and you will see how moot your point is.

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 Beaviz81 wrote:
Dire wolves is more recent and American. You are way lost there VD, sorry but do a Wikipedia-search on them and you will see how moot your point is.


Dire wolves were actual wolves that existed ten thousand years ago, lol.

And I was using dire wolf as a catch-all term for "really big wolf".

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It doesn't matter, because you're both right.

Native American legends talk of men who turn into wolves.

Scottish legends talk of men who turn into wolves.

English legends talk of wolves who walk like men and men who turn into wolves.

German legends talk of witches who take on bestial forms or transform themselves into animals outright.

Asian legends talk of a whole variety of animals with human forms.



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Except this isn't about myths (I could even dig that) ; it's about genetics and the whole reproduction process...

ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."

Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan


 
   
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Furyou Miko wrote:That was all side-effect though.
Still mindrape and worse then anything the Emp did.

Void__Dragon wrote:
Corporal_Reznov wrote:
I was talking about the everyone part. I don't see the raw psychic presence part as mind rape unless you say that the effect Primarchs have on mortals where they awe them and gak is also mind rape?

And you are one to talk about mind rape! Seeing as Magnus and his useless feth up the Webway stunt truly did mind rape Terra causing entire families to forget each other and such.


Uh, yeah, it's certainly mindrape, lol.
lol, then a lot of people in 40k commit mind rape. Congratulations then.


Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.

But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.

But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k."  
   
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Than what the hell are fenrisian wolves!?

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Blackcrusader wrote:
Than what the hell are fenrisian wolves!?


Not wolves as we know. As in Earth wolves. So technically not wolves.

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Blackcrusader wrote:
Than what the hell are fenrisian wolves!?


Actually according to Norse sagas they are the offspring of Fenris, which is the greatest wolf ever, which explains the many wolves at Fenris. At a separate level I sort of think the Fenrisian fauna to be like the mega-fauna that existed during the last ice-age with mammoths, hairy rhinos and such.

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Blackcrusader wrote:
Than what the hell are fenrisian wolves!?


They are vaguely canine-shaped xenos.

But come on, they don't even look that much like wolves.



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