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I know absolutely nothing about warmachine but picked up some random stuff on clearance that I thought would be fun to paint. Since I have some friends that want to play I thought I might as well put a small force together. I tried looking up what exactly I need to play but I know Ill have to pick up a rule book, I do have a couple of questions though.

I ended up buying a box of the Kossite Woodsmen and a blister of Mechanik Assistants for around 8 dollars so thats currently all I have. I was thinking of playing a more fluffy (and cheap) list since Im just going to be playing with friends and was going to stick with a forest/woodsmen type theme.

I was thinking about getting Zevanna Agha and Manhunter. Is this a legal list with the woodsmen and Mechanik assistants? I know its probably no where near competitive but Im not really worried about that.

Sorry for what is probably a dumb question, but I figured dakka would be the best place for help.

Every list needs atleast 1 jack, it has to add up to (or exceed) the warcaster's WJ points, listed on their card.

I would highly recommend getting a battle box or the starter, starting to learn to play with that, then adding these models in as you paint them and grow more comfortable.

Does the jack that come with the witch not count?

I looked at the starter set, but I dont really like the jacks, plus I really could not see spending 50 dollars on three models.

I suppose I could check hobbytown again, they had the rest of their warmachine stuff on clearance again last I was there.

The "rule"(not in the rulebook but used to be in every PP event package) is that you can't build lists more than 2 points under the point total, including Warjack Points. The Old Witch has 3 Warjack Points beyond Scrapjack, and thus must purchase some other Jack to be able to field a legal list.

 Platuan4th wrote:
The "rule"(not in the rulebook but used to be in every PP event package) is that you can't build lists more than 2 points under the point total, including Warjack Points. The Old Witch has 3 Warjack Points beyond Scarpjack, and thus must purchase some other Jack to be able to field a legal list.

Ah okay thanks.

Well Im not big on how the jacks look so thats disappointing, but I suppose Ill head up to the store later and see if I can find one I like.

 Rotgut wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
The "rule"(not in the rulebook but used to be in every PP event package) is that you can't build lists more than 2 points under the point total, including Warjack Points. The Old Witch has 3 Warjack Points beyond Scarpjack, and thus must purchase some other Jack to be able to field a legal list.

Ah okay thanks.

Well Im not big on how the jacks look so thats disappointing, but I suppose Ill head up to the store later and see if I can find one I like.

Is it just the Juggernaught chassis you don't like or does that extend to the Clamjacks, Beserker, and Behemoth, too?

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Rotgut wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
The "rule"(not in the rulebook but used to be in every PP event package) is that you can't build lists more than 2 points under the point total, including Warjack Points. The Old Witch has 3 Warjack Points beyond Scarpjack, and thus must purchase some other Jack to be able to field a legal list.

Ah okay thanks.

Well Im not big on how the jacks look so thats disappointing, but I suppose Ill head up to the store later and see if I can find one I like.

Is it just the Juggernaught chassis you don't like or does that extend to the Clamjacks, Beserker, and Behemoth, too?

I think its mostly because they all look alike, I like the jack with the witch because its kind of unique looking. Im looking at them now and the only few that I really like is Drago, and the Demolisher/Devastator Heavy.

 Rotgut wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Rotgut wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
The "rule"(not in the rulebook but used to be in every PP event package) is that you can't build lists more than 2 points under the point total, including Warjack Points. The Old Witch has 3 Warjack Points beyond Scarpjack, and thus must purchase some other Jack to be able to field a legal list.

Ah okay thanks.

Well Im not big on how the jacks look so thats disappointing, but I suppose Ill head up to the store later and see if I can find one I like.

Is it just the Juggernaught chassis you don't like or does that extend to the Clamjacks, Beserker, and Behemoth, too?

I think its mostly because they all look alike, I like the jack with the witch because its kind of unique looking. Im looking at them now and the only few that I really like is Drago, and the Demolisher/Devastator Heavy.

thats sort of how all the jacks are, you get 2-3 chasis's and a bunch of different arms/legs/ heads to go with them

 Grundz wrote:

 Rotgut wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Rotgut wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:
The "rule"(not in the rulebook but used to be in every PP event package) is that you can't build lists more than 2 points under the point total, including Warjack Points. The Old Witch has 3 Warjack Points beyond Scarpjack, and thus must purchase some other Jack to be able to field a legal list.

Ah okay thanks.

Well Im not big on how the jacks look so thats disappointing, but I suppose Ill head up to the store later and see if I can find one I like.

Is it just the Juggernaught chassis you don't like or does that extend to the Clamjacks, Beserker, and Behemoth, too?

I think its mostly because they all look alike, I like the jack with the witch because its kind of unique looking. Im looking at them now and the only few that I really like is Drago, and the Demolisher/Devastator Heavy.

thats sort of how all the jacks are, you get 2-3 chasis's and a bunch of different arms/legs/ heads to go with them

Yeah, the 'Jacks are standardized mass-production military hardware given different weapon load outs & equipment. To make the 40k comparsion, from a fluff perspective the difference between a Crusader & say a Vanquisher is more akin to a predator /w Heavy Bolters vs a predator /w Lascanons than it is say a Predator vs Whilrwind.

To be fair, it IS military tech. Makes sense that they share chassis.

Yeah I think thats what is putting me off, I dont want a standardized army made up of jacks and soldiers, more of a fluffy woodsmen mountain man type list.

I might pick up a jack and do some conversion with it to make it look like it was salvaged.

If that's what you're looking for, I'd suggest the regular Beserker. The chassis is an older, nearly out of date one and I could see Kossites owning a refurbished one(either scrounged from a battlefield or "acquired" from a military force they worked with) to do things like heavy labor, cutting down trees faster, that sort of things as well as defending their home when threatened. Perhaps convert it into a better pose and add some trophies/decoration?

Drago himself is unique in that he actually resents having old parts replaced. In essence, he prefers to NOT look like other Beserkers. He's injured and killed people because they replaced the damaged faceplate missing the eye, he actually wouldn't calm down and deactivate(he can spontaneously ignite his own heartfire!) until they put the old one back on. I could see the Old Witch borrowing him from Vlad considering how close they are.

 Rotgut wrote:
Yeah I think thats what is putting me off, I dont want a standardized army made up of jacks and soldiers, more of a fluffy woodsmen mountain man type list.

I might pick up a jack and do some conversion with it to make it look like it was salvaged.

You could run some merc jacks instead instead of Khador jacks.

http://privateerpress.com/warmachine/gallery/mercenaries/warjacks

You need a mercenary jack marshal or a full-on mercenary army to run mercenary jacks. A khador army will always have khador jacks in the battlegroup.

 Rotgut wrote:
Yeah I think thats what is putting me off, I dont want a standardized army made up of jacks and soldiers, more of a fluffy woodsmen mountain man type list.

I might pick up a jack and do some conversion with it to make it look like it was salvaged.

or play Hordes.

same game...

problem you're facing is all the iron kingdoms factions are pretty much slightly pre-modern industrial revolution armies fielding mass produced weapons and armour. woodsmen-mountain man type lists for khador arent what i call "fluffy" to be honest. Khador is famous for its disciplined regiments of Men o War shock troops, Iron Fang Pikemen, and the backbone of their armies are the conscripted Winter Guard infantry above all else.

there are mountain men - ie kossites and manhunters, but they tend to fall into the category of "irregular" soldiers, or even "irregular guerrillas" at worst, and tend to serve primarily as guides and scouts more than anything. They're not really "army" meterial. and in any case, whatever numbers of irregulars you have attached to the various Khadoran armies (The Anvil, the Hammer, or the Forge), the other elements of the khadoran military will outnumber them overwhelmingly.

If you want a proper "wilderness" army, you could do worse than looking at Trolls or the Circle of Orboros.

Thanks for the replies!

I will definitely look into the beserker, I like your idea of it being weapon turned tool. It fits perfectly for what I have in mind.

I looked into Hordes a little, and like the Circle over everything else but Im trying to stick with what my buddies wanting to play WM.

A wilderness/rural Khador army does fit with Old Witch, though. She's connected somehow to the wilds of Caen and she's chosen Khador specifically to protect. And, she's not actually part of the Khador military, they just don't say no when she comes and appropriates men and equipment.

Rotgut, a Widowmaker Marksman may work for your theme, too, especially if you use the Lazar Grigsov model as a proxy. He's got more of a mysterious woodsman hunter look.

 Rotgut wrote:

I looked into Hordes a little, and like the Circle over everything else but Im trying to stick with what my buddies wanting to play WM.

Warmachine Hordes is more or less the same game and were designed to play each other

Hordes is to Warmachine what tyranids and dark eldar are to 40k. It isn't a separate game like fantasy is to 40k. it's a second set of factions existing within the same universe playing the same game with rules for monsters replacing rules for jacks.

 Dais wrote:
You need a mercenary jack marshal or a full-on mercenary army to run mercenary jacks. A khador army will always have khador jacks in the battlegroup.

I meant to mean in place of as in counts as but yeah, oops.

Rotgut wrote:Thanks for the replies!

I will definitely look into the beserker, I like your idea of it being weapon turned tool. It fits perfectly for what I have in mind.

I looked into Hordes a little, and like the Circle over everything else but Im trying to stick with what my buddies wanting to play WM.

Warmachine and Hordes are the same game. Your circle faction can duke it out quite happily with your buddy's Cygnar. And so on.

Platuan4th wrote:A wilderness/rural Khador army does fit with Old Witch, though. She's connected somehow to the wilds of Caen and she's chosen Khador specifically to protect. And, she's not actually part of the Khador military, they just don't say no when she comes and appropriates men and equipment.

Rotgut, a Widowmaker Marksman may work for your theme, too, especially if you use the Lazar Grigsov model as a proxy. He's got more of a mysterious woodsman hunter look.

She draws her power from the people of Khador, as supposed to the wilderness. thats druid territory. Although the crone used to be affiliated with that order, she turned on them in the end and did her own thing. She's not part of the Khador military, but like Prince Tzepisci (Vlad the warcaster) and the other great princes of Khador, they all stand outside the official chain of command (Irusk, sorscha, Zoktavir etc) but due to old feudal ties (Vlad) and other arrangements (Old Witch) all are perfectly entitled to draw on the resources of the Khadoran military in the defence of the motherland.

Also, as a point of order, the Old Witch tends to draw most of her "recruits" from the Khador third army (the forge), which is mainly comprised of Winter Guard units.

Another problem you're going to run into is you want to be competative is that I hear the Kossite Woodmen are regarded as being a really bad unit. Don't recall the last time I ever saw someone use them. A good "irregular" woodsmany thing to get would be the Man Hunters and Yuri. Those are good, but would only account for three models in your list unfortunately. For non-human mercenary woodsmen, look into Nyss Hunters. Excellent shooting with bows, pretty good Melee, and really nice if you add the attachment who's name I forget that makes them count as Friendly Faction. Another non-military thing would be Kayazi Assassins, either the full ten-man plus Underboss, or two two-woman units.

For a Woodsman type Jack, look at the Kodiac. It's intended to be the "all terrain/off road" type Jack and includes the Pathfinder rule. Does still share much the same look as the Juggernaught though.

 AduroT wrote:
Another problem you're going to run into is you want to be competative is that I hear the Kossite Woodmen are regarded as being a really bad unit. Don't recall the last time I ever saw someone use them. A good "irregular" woodsmany thing to get would be the Man Hunters and Yuri. Those are good, but would only account for three models in your list unfortunately. For non-human mercenary woodsmen, look into Nyss Hunters. Excellent shooting with bows, pretty good Melee, and really nice if you add the attachment who's name I forget that makes them count as Friendly Faction. Another non-military thing would be Kayazi Assassins, either the full ten-man plus Underboss, or two two-woman units.

For a Woodsman type Jack, look at the Kodiac. It's intended to be the "all terrain/off road" type Jack and includes the Pathfinder rule. Does still share much the same look as the Juggernaught though.

The problem with Woodsmen is they have terrible RAT on an average ranged attack with no combined fire. They need to get aim bonus to have a chance at hitting guys in the open and they need to be weakly armored guys at that. On the plus side, they outflank and cost 6 points making them dirt cheap meat to throw at the enemy.

Yuri helps both Manhunters and Woodsmen. So you can have him do double duty.

Anduro- the name of the ranking officer for Khador is Koldun Kaptain Valachev.

I would definitely recommend just picking Circle

Your buddies in Warmachine will be able to play with you just fine