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**Amaya**

Can you give an example?

**Beaviz81**

Amaya wrote:
Can you give an example?

Space Marine Iconography comes to mind. Them being elite fighters. Code of honor. Ruleset of how to live. Being near to invincible. Expensive to equip and train.

**Psienesis**

The Old World has humans co-existing with Xenos. It has humans making use of Sorcery. It has two Warp Gates (one on either pole) and vast regions entirely given over to Chaos.

It's also a relatively thinly-populated Feudal World.

What is the Old World in the galaxy of 40K? A target for Exterminatus.

**Beaviz81**

Nah the IOM likes to test the waters first with a few regiments then maybe a Space Marine chapter. Then it's time for Exterminatus.

**Soladrin**

Beaviz81 wrote:
Nah the IOM likes to test the waters first with a few regiments then maybe a Space Marine chapter. Then it's time for Exterminatus.

Ordo Malleus would disagree with that assesment.

**Soo'Vah'Cha**

In a very old WD, I remember reading a flavor text about great heros of the Reikland /empire, and how some would be taken away from battlefields before death could claim them by huge robed monks..the legends told they continued to fight evil/chaos in other dimensions.

It was very old story but a buddy of mine made his own sm chapter based on it, and called them the Sons of the Comet.

Now the two world will never meet, likely thats a good thing since in the old RT chaos mutations charts you could get a bloodthirster with a lascannon.

**BluntmanDC**

Furyou Miko wrote:
I don't. I think they'd leave well enough alone other than to start kidnapping people to turn into Space Marines and seeding a few Sabines to convince the locals that Sigmar and the Lady of the Lake are both aspects of the Emperor (or maybe Saint Dominica in the Lady's case).

It has an open portals to the warp, if it existed in the 40k universe and was discovered by the IoM it would be purged and become off limits.

**Beaviz81**

Soladrin wrote:
Beaviz81 wrote:
Nah the IOM likes to test the waters first with a few regiments then maybe a Space Marine chapter. Then it's time for Exterminatus.

Ordo Malleus would disagree with that assesment.

Exterminatus isn't something done lightly by the IOM. That's something they do after they have wasted like a few million men, and they have conquered places gone over to Chaos like Vraks and managed to retain the planet.

**Melissia**

Nah, Cadia's still more badass.

**Beaviz81**

Cadia is just the target for Failabbaddon the Armless not demons.

**Melissia**

Beaviz81 wrote:
Cadia is just the target for Failabbaddon the Armless not demons.

Cadia is the target of daemons.

The only reason Abaddon is known as Failbaddon is BECAUSE Cadians are so goddamned tough that no force of Chaos COULD break them.

**Satan's Little Helper**

Didn't the Dark Eldar create Slaanesh which means that the 2 universes must be combined in some way if you can get Slaanesh Daemons in fantasy

**Phonics**

Failbaddon finally almost succeeded. Now it is more of a standstill. Anyway, if a planet like that was in 40k... Really it depends on who discovers them first...

**Furyou Miko**

Satan's Little Helper wrote:
Didn't the Dark Eldar create Slaanesh which means that the 2 universes must be combined in some way if you can get Slaanesh Daemons in fantasy

According to the Liber Chaotica: Slaanesh, in Fantasy he was created by a race if "Star-born Asur" (High Elves) called The Elder;

I have been shown other places, perhaps other worlds - I know now. I have seen lands where Man has never trod, though these were not places as they are now, but as they were once. How I know this I cannot tell. Amongst the twinkling stars I saw the dawn of a race that I took to be the Asur, though they lived not upon my world or in my time. I saw them raised from nothing by figures of shadow and light - an ancient and powerful race, the first ever to have reached into the starry night. Older than gods, yet mortal and subject to time.

I saw these First Ones leave the star-born Asur to return beyond the sky, leaving their charges to grow by themselves. And how swiftly they did! Though millennia sped me by from one moment to the next, I saw these star-born Asur grow into a mighty and sophisticated culture. I heard their name sung in a thousand psalms of joy and beauty: The Elder - greater even than the Children of Ulthuan at the height of their power. With a subconscious and natural-born talent, they reached into the Chaos realm and experimented with magic and sorcery, and their works were glorious to behild.

But then the Fist Ones returned from the darkness beyond the sky, their strange and vast vessels were scarred and worn, their light dimmed and their shadows dispersing. For I knew that they fought an unending war with gods that were not of the Aethyr; gods of starlight, vampires of life.The First Ones had returned to inspect The Elder and judge whether they were yet fir for the battles that lay ahead...

It then goes to give an account of the War in Heaven, perhaps one of the first full accounts in the fluff - ironic that it comes from a WHFB source and not a 40k one - until we come to the birth of Slaanesh;

I wept hot tears for The Elder then, for they had become trapped by the darkness within themselves, that asserted itself more and more as Slaanesh's power grew; he was like a bubble expanding outwards as the pressure built within, and it was only a matter of time before He burst forth.

And then I witnessed the birth of a new god. Slaanesh sprang into the Immaterium from the psyche of The Elder with a shattering scream of triumph. A tital wave of energy ripped through the Warp, dealing the shadow-self of every living thing a numbing blow. For the heightened senses of The Elder it was too much. Billions of Elder souls were swallowed by Slaanesh, their bodies simply evaporating from the material universe as raw Chaos broiled out from their minds. The few Elder that had fled, survived the cataclysm, but I knew that they would be forever scarred by the fall of their race.

**BluntmanDC**

Beaviz81 wrote:
Soladrin wrote:
Beaviz81 wrote:
Nah the IOM likes to test the waters first with a few regiments then maybe a Space Marine chapter. Then it's time for Exterminatus.

Ordo Malleus would disagree with that assesment.

Exterminatus isn't something done lightly by the IOM. That's something they do after they have wasted like a few million men, and they have conquered places gone over to Chaos like Vraks and managed to retain the planet.

Did Varks have two massive open conduits to the warp? A xeno filled, warp connected planet would be automatically exterminated.

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Satan's Little Helper wrote:
Didn't the Dark Eldar create Slaanesh which means that the 2 universes must be combined in some way if you can get Slaanesh Daemons in fantasy

It was in early fluff, but then GW realised it was better to have two distinct systems. The reason they both share the same deamons is because it is easier.

**MajorStoffer**

I seem to recall that Fantasy, while not being directly related to 40k, is supposed to represent some kind of other universe/reality/dimension.

This was in reference to the Old Ones, who were supposed to be able to dimension/reality hop, and are the same between the two settings. The reason they disappeared from Fantasy is the Necrons killed them in 40k. Otherwise, they're totally separate. I think the main reason for that is it would cheapen the fantasy setting, as has been said, the Imperium could and likely would wipe it out in an afternoon.

**unmercifulconker**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Sigmar was one of the lost Primarchs

Now that, would be amazing.

**Psienesis**

In essence, in the early days, there were lots of similarities between the two, which was intentional. 40K was, after all, Warhammer Fantasy in a sci-fi setting. Even the early Realms of Chaos books provide units and rules for both games (though it is heavily favored towards Fantasy), but it was possible to get mutants with power armor or las-weaponry in your Fantasy game.

I'm not sure (as in, I don't remember) that GW ever came out and explicitly said, one way or the other, if the Old World was a precursor to 40K, if it was a world trapped in a Warp-Storm, if it was a parallel dimension/alternate history sort of deal or what. It seems to me that the fans invented these various convolutions, and GW was happy to let people do whatever they wanted with it. Now that the two games have diverged over the past 20+ years, them being in the same shared universe is less and less likely, but there's absolutely no reason that a game-group could not have it be so.

**Furyou Miko**

*Sigh* Gotta love typing up data from hardcopy sources then being totally ignored.

**ansacs**

Furyou Miko wrote:
*Sigh* Gotta love typing up data from hardcopy sources then being totally ignored.

Well thanks I had never seen that before. That is a good account of the old ones/eldar relation.

One of the big problems with combining the two settings is that the weapon/armour strengths, weapon ranges, and AP just doesn't match up. A bow does not fire as far as a lasgun, it is much weaker, the number of shots is totally different, etc. A 2+ armour save in fantasy is a 5+(look at rough riders that is barding/horse/heavy armour so at least 3+ if not 2+). The settings rules just don't match and trying to explain why daemons don't steam roll fantasy while still posing a galactic threat in 40K requires big brother esq double think. Not to mention as previous posters have posted the struggles in fantasy become somewhat futile when you see that they could be wiped out in a matter of hours by a variety of fleets for a variety of reasons.

On the other hand it would be awesome if the Asur activate a webway and get back in touch with their kin...okay chaos meet mister wraithlord he is our cousin. I however see nothing wrong with creating a seeting of your own where they are linked I would however advise perhaps a dimensional jump due to warp gates connecting the two so they stay somewhat isolated as large degree of interchange between the two reduces the "Epic" of fantasy. Hard to be "Epic" when the IG could kill your dragons with hand held weapons and destroy your armies from 15 km out with a basilisk. Of course it would also be funny to see a space marine put down by a peasant arrow.

**Furyou Miko**

Well, there's a story in Uriah Jacobus' backstory where he was stranded on a Feral World for a few years and converted one army (who were basically Brettonians) to worship the Emperor, then led them against the other civilisation on the planet (who were basically Chaos Marauders) in a holy war.

**ansacs**

Ouch, Uriah is awesome.

Sounds a bit like Army of Darkness what with the shotgun and everything.

**DarthMarko**

I always considered UM as greek (Spartan/Athenian) and IF as Roman...

**Beaviz81**

DarthMarko wrote:
I always considered UM as greek (Spartan/Athenian) and IF as Roman...

If the Imperial Fists are anything then it's the Germans around 1870. Same basic culture, same basic behavior, same mindset. The UM are the Greco-Romans. Heck I bet they even practice Greco-Roman wrestling.

**DarthMarko**

Hm - in "the crimson fists"novel they are practising shield defence same as roman legions, also their duty during the Great Crusade was to function as the emperor's "personal praetorians"....
I thought that IH were germans?

**Furyou Miko**

Beaviz81 wrote:
DarthMarko wrote:
I always considered UM as greek (Spartan/Athenian) and IF as Roman...

If the Imperial Fists are anything then it's the Germans around 1870. Same basic culture, same basic behavior, same mindset. The UM are the Greco-Romans. Heck I bet they even practice Greco-Roman wrestling.

They're certainly confirmed to spend their downtime lounging around in bathrobes.

**ansacs**

What a life kill some green skins, topple a dictator, and get home put on a bathrobe and read the codex...

**orkdestroyer1**

According to fluff the WHFB world does exist in the 40k verse due to the whole planet being in a 'less dense' part of the warp and not only that the GK character (kaldor drago?) who is sucked into the warp after every battle due to a curse COULD end up on the WHFB world....so yeah a GK character fighting scaven FTW

**aosol**

I'll take it a step further. Sigmar is a Sensei and will be feed to the Emperor in order to rebirth him as the Star Child in which he will be born on the Warhammer Fantasy World. He will then purge the Chaos from that world only to be destroyed by Necron/Skaven Hybrids. The Tau will then teleport that planet to the eye of Terror which will plug that hole.

The End.

Someone please fill in the holes to my story.

**Beaviz81**

ansacs wrote:
What a life kill some green skins, topple a dictator, and get home put on a bathrobe and read the codex...

That What a life-quote reminds me of something I heard in a British WWI-documentary. What a life, life, living in a trench, fighting for the French.