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2013/03/24 01:32:24
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
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2013/03/24 01:37:30
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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The only primarch I never notice people getting particularly flustered about is Leman Russ.
I dislike all the Primarchs. They had no character or conviction. All they did was bend over and either do what the Emperor told them or what Chaos suggested.
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2013/03/24 01:42:01
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
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 Amaya wrote:The only primarch I never notice people getting particularly flustered about is Leman Russ.
I dislike all the Primarchs. They had no character or conviction. All they did was bend over and either do what the Emperor told them or what Chaos suggested.
What leads you to this point of view?
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2013/03/24 02:25:54
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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With the recent release of the new DA codex the amount of DA fanboys has risen in my flgs. They seem to think of the DA as great marines with their awesome primarch who never lost and beat the snot out of his brothers. They have struck Cruze and Russ of their list and are now riled up by the rumour that the Lion will suckerpunch Guilleman in an upcoming novel. It gets a bit annoying after a while.
Im more of a sucker for Dorn or Magnus, but they dont really shine in BL novels atm. Except Magnus, but its more of a sad shine really.
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2013/03/24 09:49:02
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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Alpharius69 wrote:I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
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I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
No, I am Alpharius.
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2013/03/24 09:49:28
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Hellacious Havoc
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 Disciple of Fate wrote:With the recent release of the new DA codex the amount of DA fanboys has risen in my flgs. They seem to think of the DA as great marines with their awesome primarch who never lost and beat the snot out of his brothers. They have struck Cruze and Russ of their list and are now riled up by the rumour that the Lion will suckerpunch Guilleman in an upcoming novel. It gets a bit annoying after a while.
Im more of a sucker for Dorn or Magnus, but they dont really shine in BL novels atm. Except Magnus, but its more of a sad shine really.
Yep, agree...100%...Yep but they are forgeting the signature move of Lion - "sucker-backstaber punch" ...
He beats Russ only when he let his guard down, and after Curze was choking him, the famous backstaber....
This is why I hate ADB...he was so bombarded by DA fanboys that he even had to even the odds in his next book.....and he even told them that first fight was a draw...I mean OMG.... Automatically Appended Next Post:  thenoobbomb wrote:Alpharius69 wrote:I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
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I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
No, I am Alpharius.
No you are not...get some help, pronto...
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The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
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2013/03/24 09:56:42
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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Leman Russ started that fight with a sucker punch. Fitting that the Lion would end it with one.
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2013/03/24 09:58:23
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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 Garvy wrote: Disciple of Fate wrote:With the recent release of the new DA codex the amount of DA fanboys has risen in my flgs. They seem to think of the DA as great marines with their awesome primarch who never lost and beat the snot out of his brothers. They have struck Cruze and Russ of their list and are now riled up by the rumour that the Lion will suckerpunch Guilleman in an upcoming novel. It gets a bit annoying after a while.
Im more of a sucker for Dorn or Magnus, but they dont really shine in BL novels atm. Except Magnus, but its more of a sad shine really.
Yep, agree...100%...Yep but they are forgeting the signature move of Lion - "sucker-backstaber punch" ...
He beats Russ only when he let his guard down, and after Curze was choking him, the famous backstaber....
This is why I hate ADB...he was so bombarded by DA fanboys that he even had to even the odds in his next book.....and he even told them that first fight was a draw...I mean OMG....
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thenoobbomb wrote:Alpharius69 wrote:I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
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I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
No, I am Alpharius.
No you are not...get some help, pronto...
You seem upset, Lion > Russ is pretty established, and has been.
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2013/03/24 10:04:15
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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Hellacious Havoc
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i don't give a crap about Russ...but suckerpunch in a fist fight isn't the measure Lion>Russ...Also IIRC they fought with blades and no one could get the upper hand...So I level them up....
but Curze is another thing dear fanboy....
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The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
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2013/03/24 10:05:05
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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They had a sweaty wrestling match actually.
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2013/03/24 10:21:40
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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In your mind no doubt...but without any SW fanboism on my behalf I kind of even them up...mostly based on second rather "fair fight"...
And even in the first fight it is stated that two p were perfectly balanced (while Russ was stronger, Lion was quicker)...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/24 10:48:56
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Hellacious Havoc
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 DarthMarko wrote:
In your mind no doubt...but without any SW fanboism on my behalf I kind of even them up...mostly based on second rather "fair fight"...
And even in the first fight it is stated that two p were perfectly balanced (while Russ was stronger, Lion was quicker)...
Did you see how pathetic was the author on B&C when he was responding to fanboys?
I mean I do get that he is bound by contract and he has to be "dirty neutral", but the guy needs to grow a pair....
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The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always."
-- First Captain Sevatar, when asked why the Night Lords aren't the Emperor's sanction force against other Legions.
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2013/03/24 11:06:57
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Garvy wrote: Disciple of Fate wrote:With the recent release of the new DA codex the amount of DA fanboys has risen in my flgs. They seem to think of the DA as great marines with their awesome primarch who never lost and beat the snot out of his brothers. They have struck Cruze and Russ of their list and are now riled up by the rumour that the Lion will suckerpunch Guilleman in an upcoming novel. It gets a bit annoying after a while.
Im more of a sucker for Dorn or Magnus, but they dont really shine in BL novels atm. Except Magnus, but its more of a sad shine really.
Yep, agree...100%...Yep but they are forgeting the signature move of Lion - "sucker-backstaber punch" ...
He beats Russ only when he let his guard down, and after Curze was choking him, the famous backstaber....
This is why I hate ADB...he was so bombarded by DA fanboys that he even had to even the odds in his next book.....and he even told them that first fight was a draw...I mean OMG....
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thenoobbomb wrote:Alpharius69 wrote:I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
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I honestly think alpharius with his Secrecy and Speculated allegiance to the emperor is my favorite. BTW I am Alpharius
No, I am Alpharius.
No you are not...get some help, pronto...
Did you read my previous post?
Don't say yes.
You didn't, Mr. Curze fanboi.
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2013/03/24 11:12:51
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/24 11:14:26
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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Horus Heresy writers are awesome..
'Noooo, Alpha Legion aren't Chaos Worshippers, they just follow the plan of a Xenos Organisation!'. Sometimes, things in the world just don't make sense.
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2013/03/24 11:22:39
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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I think it is, as a writer, hard to not write positive about the character you really like. I mean, most of us are all fanboys, and if we had to write a book featuring one, we'd make them extra awesome in it, no?
I, for one, don't really hate any of the Primarchs. Perhaps Fulgrim, but well, Slaanesh..
And I like to joke about Leman Russ and the Space Wolves. WOlf wolf 
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2013/03/24 11:27:32
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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I now, but at least you are polite...But some things are just wrong...
AD-B even said that SW have the largest fanbase, following by BA and DA...So it seems to me they are keeping track, and know very well when to hit somewhere....
It's all showbiz, right? That's why I envy some guys/girls on this forum who can ignore that and stick to their codexes...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/24 11:31:06
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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Being able to ignore certain things is a great gift indeed.
I think we can expect more SW, BA and DA books, then
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2013/03/24 11:33:12
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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This is my worst nighmare...they are even sending UM on Terra right this moment
Now I will gather my "drinking pack" and we're gonna start hitting some authors...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/24 11:34:07
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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DarthMarko wrote:This is my worst nighmare...they are even sending UM on Terra right this moment
This will haunt my dreams the coming weeks.
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2013/03/24 11:37:35
Subject: Re:Primarch Fanboys
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Just separate the person (author) from the universe and you ll be right...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/24 16:48:14
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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I wish they would flesh out other primarchs. Vulkan, Dorn, and Angron. Vulkan and Angron mostly, both are just so radically different from the rest. Vulkan cares about normal humans and Angron seems like a mad genius.
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2013/03/24 16:54:33
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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thenoobbomb wrote:I think it is, as a writer, hard to not write positive about the character you really like. I mean, most of us are all fanboys, and if we had to write a book featuring one, we'd make them extra awesome in it, no? I, for one, don't really hate any of the Primarchs. Perhaps Fulgrim, but well, Slaanesh.. And I like to joke about Leman Russ and the Space Wolves. WOlf wolf
Heeeeeyyyyy...... It's alright Slaanesh, he's just jealous!  EDIT: Hey look I'm Canadian again awesome! ...EDIT  h wait no..I'm Puerto Rican again
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Looking forward to the opening of 40k: The Musical
List of TV show ideas: Late night with Kharne, Farseer and friends, Sigvald in Space
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2013/03/24 16:56:53
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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2013/03/24 16:58:29
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Leman Russ will always win because Vikings in space.
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2013/03/24 17:22:09
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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amudkipz wrote:I wish they would flesh out other primarchs. Vulkan, Dorn, and Angron. Vulkan and Angron mostly, both are just so radically different from the rest. Vulkan cares about normal humans and Angron seems like a mad genius.
Pretty sure we're getting ADB's World Eater novel soon.
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2013/03/24 17:30:27
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Dudes "the Betrayer" is like out for a two months:-)
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/24 17:31:14
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AD-B once said he refused to write a book about the Black Legion for a long time because he didn't think he could resist the urge to make his favourite Legion over-the-top awesome out of all proportion.
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2013/03/24 17:32:40
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 Furyou Miko wrote:AD-B once said he refused to write a book about the Black Legion for a long time because he didn't think he could resist the urge to make his favourite Legion over-the-top awesome out of all proportion.
Huh, his every book is out of proportions....
And he is writing a book about BL....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/24 17:47:28
Subject: Primarch Fanboys
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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A lot of people here seem pretty fething salty about ADB for some reason.
I really lol'd at the notion that he is biased against the Space Wolves.
He brought them up in the middle of Betrayer just to talk about how stupid Angron is, and the last third of The Emperor's Gift was nothing but Wolf spanking.
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