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Earth Dragon wrote:

 Rolt wrote:
Going by the discription this kinda sounds like an necromunda/infinitiy style game, very interesting if true, lots of hobbying potential.

I would REALLY like this confirmed!!

And if it is like necromunda, then I will finally be tempted into the mantic system, OR will use the system with my necromunda gangs if this turns out better. Win win.

 scarletsquig wrote:
@judgedoug - Not possible, kickstarter replaces all images you upload or hotlink on the main KS page with its own versions hosted on the amazon cloud, which you cannot access.

Gotcha. Then at the very least, "In that case, then at least have redundant links in every update. So this past KoW update showing the human infantry would have a link at the bottom going to the Mantic site with a small page showing all the completed greens. That really wouldn't be hard to do at all. Every KS update published would contain that link, and the link is maintained just by putting up the most recent pics of all the KS goodies. " should be 100% possible. Especially with Mantic's army of volunteers to maintain it

Thanks for putting together that gallery Scarletsquig

It should help folk see that most stuff is done

(and according to a couple of posts on the Mantic forums some of the other missing units went straight to tooling without photos being taken, just to make sure stuff makes their deadlines)

I am glad that Mantic is responding to emails though. After seeing the Troll sculpts, I reduced the number of werewolves I was buying and added trolls instead.

Really hoping they come along soon as I would like to use them in a WoC army.

@Fenriswulf - aren't mantic models a smaller scale?

To give my opinion of the KS crap that actually related to this topic (basically the "another KS from Mantic" comments), as long as it is a whole new line/game, I'm fine. If they have to use KS to supplement an existing line, that is a VERY bad sign and indicator that the product is doing poorly. You shouldn't need to let other companies cut in on your profits and list firesale type prices everytime you want to release a new mini.

So new games from a small business being established via KS, I'm okay with.

New Dreadball teams, Warpath factions, or Loka sets via kickstarter.....I'm avoiding ANY new mantic products at that point (I'm already into Dreadball with others, so I'm not going to screw my friends and just bail if that did happen as far as this game is concerned)

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-39827-32855_Mantic%20Kow%20Kickstarter%20Sculpts.html

That gallery does look good, scarletsquig, but it just looks like a sampling rather than a complete look at any one release. For instance, I remember there being another ogre, and several views of them.

But I hadn't seen the troll at ALL! Very interesting... thanks for putting it together thus far

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

KS is supposed to generate initial revenue to complete a project. After that, the project, in theory, is supposed to sustain itself and generate profits for the company.

Quite the opposite. A Kickstarter-project is supposed to be finite and self-contained.
Anything that generates profits beyond the Kickstarter-campaign itself isn't supposed to be on Kickstarter in the first place, strictly speaking.
Not that anyone cares.

I didn't write that. You mucked up your quotes.

cheerio.

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 judgedoug wrote:

Now, it's entirely true that Mantic has done a pretty poor job reminding everyone of what's been going on (just releasing shots of greens over the last 6 months and assuming everyone is seeing and keeping track), but they are pretty much on track for the promised Q2 2013 delivery of all of the new units.

I guess the thing is that pre-Christmas it felt like they were updating us almost weekly with how things were going. There's been much more of a scattering of information and updates since then.

I am really excited about this Kickstarter!!!
Any idea what the second new faction will be? I'm guessing it will either be Rebs or fleshing Enforcers out into their own full fledged faction. But I'm really looking forward to the race that John Doe (Nameless?) belongs to. Every time I tell people about the Warpath Universe they really perk up when I describe that race.

 judgedoug wrote:

It's actually a problem with a lot of KS, honestly. Most people don't read the KS comments, don't read the relevant forums - they just get the email updates and skim them on their phone.
But is it possible for a KS to update the main page?
Having the front page continuously updated with greens and such. just a "Current Progress" section on the main page.
So if in doubt, just visit the main KS page and see all the greens and the current progress is "all models except stormwind cavalry are being tooled and cast right now."

Email updates from the creators are the best source of information. KS comments have a horrid layout. For example the KoW KS has 3294 comments. Unless you're willing to invest a lot of time in following them, they're pretty much impossible to follow.

 Azazelx wrote:

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 judgedoug wrote:

Now, it's entirely true that Mantic has done a pretty poor job reminding everyone of what's been going on (just releasing shots of greens over the last 6 months and assuming everyone is seeing and keeping track), but they are pretty much on track for the promised Q2 2013 delivery of all of the new units.

I guess the thing is that pre-Christmas it felt like they were updating us almost weekly with how things were going. There's been much more of a scattering of information and updates since then.

Oh, I agree, and I follow it and read the Mantic forums daily. Information hasn't been organized very well. But Mantic's excuse has been a very good one: they didn't keep the greens around long enough, as they sent them immediately to get tooled and made. No constant WIP shots or painted masters delaying things, they wanted to actually get the KS delivered on time (versus, well, every other KS out there). I'm totally fine with that.


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 scarletsquig wrote:

In addition to my previous post, I think I'll do a Dakka image gallery full of all the KoW stuff that has been previewed and add it to my sig since a lot of people have missed a lot of the pics.

Try to grab more images from other sources, too. Darklord had some nice shots
http://forum.manticblog.com/showthread.php?383-Mantic-Fantasy-Games-and-General-News-and-Rumour-Roundup-Thread/page7&p=41795&viewfull=1#post41795

 Deathwolf wrote:
I am really excited about this Kickstarter!!!
Any idea what the second new faction will be? I'm guessing it will either be Rebs or fleshing Enforcers out into their own full fledged faction. But I'm really looking forward to the race that John Doe (Nameless?) belongs to. Every time I tell people about the Warpath Universe they really perk up when I describe that race.

I'd say look at dreadball. You've got tech savvy Teratons on the dockett that might go looting for tech. Z'zor might be drawn in for some reason. You mentioned the Nameless, and that's a great possibility. After buying John Doe, I think I'm gonna play them when Season 3 comes out and ditch the Teratons (or play both....why not. Dreadball teams are cheap to expand into) so a skirmish team of those guys would be awesome.

I too am really excited for this kickstarter. I just hope it doesn't hit until the summer so my wallet has a little bit more time to recover from WWX

teratons would be wicked... as would the nameless!

suspect it'll will be the eight warpath races listed however.

 Black Nexus wrote:
teratons would be wicked... as would the nameless!

suspect it'll will be the eight warpath races listed however.

Which are?

 judgedoug wrote:
Yeah, one thing that Mantic did was not hang onto greens- they sent them immediately to be tooled so they could make their deadline. So the downside is we don't get lots of shots of the models, all painted, etc, but we do actually get them on time.

Mantic: Hey guys we didn't take pictures of completed models because we immediately shipped them to the toolmakers because the 30 seconds it would have take to take pictures of the greens and/or completed models would have somehow thrown the universe completely off-kilter and caused the end of existence.

Seriously? No pictures because you send them immediately to be tooled? Hey, for anyone that believes that bit of hogwash, I've got some swamp-land that needs to be sold; only three castles burned down and sank into it...honest. I'll throw in the hand of my daughter in marriage as well; she's got huge....tracts of land.

Monte Python, because that's how ridiculous that explanation is.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the responses their more lackluster greens have received. Nothing at all.

well we have a facebook picture



interisting (or april fool ?)


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While the glasses are fun, I hope this is not real as they look too much like standard zombies to me

but until tomorrow real or april fool, you decide


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EDIT: Actually the pic originates with mantic blog and has the following from Ronnie after it

“The Plague are an important race for the Warpath universe,” said Ronnie Renton, CEO of Mantic Game, “Sci-fi undead is a staple archetype across the genre and after the popularity of our Kings of War zombie kit, we think we’ve really hit the nail on the head with another knock-out kit full of great sculpts and characterful poses – all at the prices you’ve come to expect from Mantic Games. Deadzone simply gives us the platform with which to launch this race.”

The Plague go up for pre-order on the 26th April 2013 with a core boxset that will give you 80 Zombies for £29.99. Sign-up to the newsletter to stay in touch with all of the Ghastly new information and get saving those pennies!

I hate today so much.

I'm going with April fools. The glasses on the skull banner on the top left corner are the real giveaway, imo

 scarletsquig wrote:
Hot off the press, here's everything I currently know about this:

- Deadzone will be a sci-fi skirmish game, set in Mantic's Warpath universe.
- It will be a Kickstarter, at some undetermined point in the next few months.
- It will feature the Plague and the Enforcers as the two main factions, both of which will receive a massive amount of releases and launch two new armies for Warpath.
- Other factions are hinted at being included.
- Plastic terrain will be a core part of the game.

A couple of snippets of background for Deadzone have surfaced, detailing the setting:

A Deadzone is created by a Plague Outbreak. When something triggers an outbreak the Corporation and Council find out very quickly and shut down the infected zone and a swathe of planetary systems around. An update is triggered to all Navcomps deleting the Deadzone from record - it no longer exists. If you were heading there you get a new destination, if you are inside when it goes.. you now have no destinations in your Navcomp and are considered collateral damage.
Understandably, there are still a lot of resources, etc stuck inside a Deadzone. The Council sends the Enforcers in to secure anything they feel is valuable, the Enforcers are also responsible for minimising witnesses.. that includes Plague and other Corporation troopers as well as pretty much anybody that crosses their path within the Deadzone.

Other factions flock to a Deadzone - lesser Corporations illegally utilise Marauder Mercenaries to seize assets and conduct black ops. The Forge Fathers have rich pickings on minerals, ores, etc. The Rebels have solar systems full of supplies.. etc. The Plague will kill most of the populace but leave the infrastructure, assets, etc mostly intact and recoverable.

Teaser image, has been around since December, so this has been in the planning stage for quite some time:

Where did you get this information?

It's from the Mantic forums, methinks. Probably originally from their facebook page.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
well we have a facebook picture



interisting (or april fool ?)

Am I imagining things, or are there glowing glasses on bloody torso attached to a pair of legs?

They are indeed, which one of the things that lean me towards april fool,

but on the other hand in the glasses are important in 'controlling' plague victims, you never know


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 Compel wrote:
It's from the Mantic forums, methinks. Probably originally from their facebook page.

I saw the picture originally on their facebook feed,

but the pic & text are also in the official manitc blog

Thats what you see. Elton John would be proud.

I was fooled for a second. Only a second mind you!

 agnosto wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Yeah, one thing that Mantic did was not hang onto greens- they sent them immediately to be tooled so they could make their deadline. So the downside is we don't get lots of shots of the models, all painted, etc, but we do actually get them on time.

Mantic: Hey guys we didn't take pictures of completed models because we immediately shipped them to the toolmakers because the 30 seconds it would have take to take pictures of the greens and/or completed models would have somehow thrown the universe completely off-kilter and caused the end of existence.

Seriously? No pictures because you send them immediately to be tooled? Hey, for anyone that believes that bit of hogwash, I've got some swamp-land that needs to be sold; only three castles burned down and sank into it...honest. I'll throw in the hand of my daughter in marriage as well; she's got huge....tracts of land.

Monte Python, because that's how ridiculous that explanation is.

Maybe you misread me? We've seen basically every model. We just don't get the "other KS" syndrome by having greens and masters just hanging out and getting a stellar paint job to show off and delaying delivery by months. Mantic got 'em, took a few quick pics of greens and then sent them to China for tooling. We HAVE pics. And we've got the Mantic Open Day which showed off a dozen kits, and then again on the Clash of Kings tournament. We've seen that some kits have come back from China already so we'll probably be seeing painted Ogres soon.

So, it's either "feth YOU MANTIC we're getting our models ON TIME but there's no painted preview shots!!!"
or
"feth YOU MANTIC, we're getting our models 6 months late but at least there's a nice painted pic of them!!!"




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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
well we have a facebook picture



interisting (or april fool ?)

I love it. Mantic got so much flak for the Forge Fathers & Marauders "Fantasy Minis with Goggles".
I almost wish it was real, I'd love a goggle-clad torso and standard


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Just realized the severed head in the lower left corner also has goggles, LOL

They do kind of have to make these things available as a bits pack now, though. they're actually pretty damn nice..
Wondering if perhaps the heads/goggles are actually bits for stuff we haven't seen yet?

 Bolognesus wrote:
They do kind of have to make these things available as a bits pack now, though. they're actually pretty damn nice..
Wondering if perhaps the heads/goggles are actually bits for stuff we haven't seen yet?

the goggles are from the forgefather kit i believe

Hmmm.. I guess based on the new plague picture, Deadzone must be in 3d..

 judgedoug wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Yeah, one thing that Mantic did was not hang onto greens- they sent them immediately to be tooled so they could make their deadline. So the downside is we don't get lots of shots of the models, all painted, etc, but we do actually get them on time.

Mantic: Hey guys we didn't take pictures of completed models because we immediately shipped them to the toolmakers because the 30 seconds it would have take to take pictures of the greens and/or completed models would have somehow thrown the universe completely off-kilter and caused the end of existence.

Seriously? No pictures because you send them immediately to be tooled? Hey, for anyone that believes that bit of hogwash, I've got some swamp-land that needs to be sold; only three castles burned down and sank into it...honest. I'll throw in the hand of my daughter in marriage as well; she's got huge....tracts of land.

Monte Python, because that's how ridiculous that explanation is.

Maybe you misread me? We've seen basically every model. We just don't get the "other KS" syndrome by having greens and masters just hanging out and getting a stellar paint job to show off and delaying delivery by months. Mantic got 'em, took a few quick pics of greens and then sent them to China for tooling. We HAVE pics. And we've got the Mantic Open Day which showed off a dozen kits, and then again on the Clash of Kings tournament. We've seen that some kits have come back from China already so we'll probably be seeing painted Ogres soon.

So, it's either "feth YOU MANTIC we're getting our models ON TIME but there's no painted preview shots!!!"
or
"feth YOU MANTIC, we're getting our models 6 months late but at least there's a nice painted pic

It takes 6 months to take a pic of a print before it goes in the mail to China? Wow, I could seriously make some money as a photographer by offer, what 2 week service? No? How about the literal 30 seconds it takes, considering they have no problem showing off teaser images of some odd scrap on someone's desk?

It's not like we're actually going to see these in the mail beforen June anyway. That's fine but I'm just nonplussed by the endless parade of Kickstarters they're trotting out without actually finishing the first one they started. Just think how fast they cold have produced everything from the KoW KS if they had focused on that instead of adding dreadball and fantasy chess lines... Instead of x number of sculptors/ workers putting together 3 lines of miniatures how about they all work together and finish the one that was offered first?

Note: I'm not upset or anything I'm just expressing a perception.

The Loka (fantasy chess) stuff was all done by Allesio & River Horse including the sculpts

all mantic did for that was provide KS access/future distribution

and since there were a fair number of complaints that their warpath stuff was too fantasyish starting to separate the sculptors may be a good move