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I want an infected Nameless!! How cool would that be.

And don't be silly highlord. Z'zor will be immune to the plague (that's right. I'm already making crazy guesses)

I... had totally forgotten about the nameless.

How...? But...? They already...?

I don't know what they would do with those guys. I would assume it would be CRAZY.

I say nobody is immune so that way they have an excuse to come up with all kinds of bizarre models.

That'd be perfect for me. It's all fun and games lootin' and shootin' until crazy giant monsters knock the building next door over and proceed to smash through anything else that moves.

Or maybe infected Nameless look perfectly human...

...when they want to. Or they can mutate into a Nemesis-with-tentacles monstrous beastie instead

Earth Dragon wrote:

No range on weapons.

This is actually a selling point for me. If the 2'x2' board is even vaguely in scale with the minis, there should be no weapon (except flame throwers) that can't fire all the way across the board.

Seriously, I think people are making mountains out of mole hills on the board size. I'm certain the game won't break if you play on a larger board.

If your worried about weapon range on a larger board two things.
1) You could simply limit weapons to 24 inch range on a larger board.
2.) If your playing on a larger board and you have line of sight on a target at greater than 24 inches, you're probably not using enough terrain.

 adamsouza wrote:
Seriously, I think people are making mountains out of mole hills on the board size. I'm certain the game won't break if you play on a larger board.

Ronnie mentioned in the panel that they knew people would want to get multiple sets for larger games, and were making sure it was playable.

Zond wrote:

Good to hear the restic tooling has been changed, as my Dreadball figures looked like crap.

On a related note, I'd much rather have my Kings of War stuff in hand so I could decide for myself the quality of their current Restic. If I was confident from personal experience that the stuff is better than the DreadBall stuff, I'd be more likely to go big on this. Unfortunately this seems unlikely to happen in the same timeframe...

After all, there seems to regularly be a lot of "it's better in person" around Mantic's figures, and has for some time now...

Does anyone have any pictures of how crappy the restic stuff is supposed to be?

I've never seen any first hand. Curious to see just how bad it is.

My only Mantic experiences have been with (what I'm assuming to be are) their plastic sprues of dead stuff and I was pretty impressed.

Of course those were the first heroic scale figures I've built since the days of plastic needle- nosed space marines so I don't have a lot of knowledge on current figures/ materials.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Does anyone have any pictures of how crappy the restic stuff is supposed to be?

I've never seen any first hand. Curious to see just how bad it is.

My only Mantic experiences have been with (what I'm assuming to be are) their plastic sprues of dead stuff and I was pretty impressed.

Of course those were the first heroic scale figures I've built since the days of plastic needle- nosed space marines so I don't have a lot of knowledge on current figures/ materials.

My firsthand experience with Restic:

30 Orc Gore Riders - a couple slightly bendy spears and bent standards
10 Wraiths - no problems
20 Revenant Knights - a couple slightly bendy lances
Dreadball Set - no problems

I have had no mold line problems on any of my restic stuff, and only longish bits (spears, lances, standards) have been bendy. Hit 'em with hot water to bend 'em back. The level of detail has been pretty excellent. I love the gore riders; some of my fav cavalry models.

I bought some Cadians and Catachan troops after I bought dreadball and had nastier lines on the GW models.

And to the gentleman suggesting I write my own rules for the game to accommodate for a greater board size, if I planned on doing that, I'd just play a different game entirely.

At this point, I do feel I'll just grab the terrain (can never have enough) the models I like, and leave the rest.

Earth Dragon wrote:

And to the gentleman suggesting I write my own rules for the game to accommodate for a greater board size, if I planned on doing that, I'd just play a different game entirely.

It was more of a suggestion that you were over reacting

Looking forward to seeing if there's a terrain only pledge level.

Are all of the races likely to get releases for this?

Looking forward to seeing if any new Forge Father stuff comes along!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
It's all fun and games lootin' and shootin' until crazy giant monsters knock the building next door over and proceed to smash through anything else that moves.

Gears of War. Berzerker. Hammer of Dawn. And don't forget to "REVIVE ME!" Yeah, I'm totally going to throw the GOW boardgame figures into this. Hmm. That commander could really use a Lancer.

 Barzam wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
It's all fun and games lootin' and shootin' until crazy giant monsters knock the building next door over and proceed to smash through anything else that moves.

Gears of War. Berzerker. Hammer of Dawn. And don't forget to "REVIVE ME!" Yeah, I'm totally going to throw the GOW boardgame figures into this. Hmm. That commander could really use a Lancer.

Fair enough. I'll see your Gears of War and raise you one set of Doom and the expansion for it. If the rules are flexible enough I can see quite a lot of figures making guest appearances.

it'll be like my childhood games of Space Hulk all over again. Once the Genestealer expansion came out and had rules for all kinds of weapons and whatnot practically every figure we owned at the time found its way to the board as a part of the Genestealer cults.

Locust would be fun to fight though.

I'm wondering if this is successful as a board game/ tactical game if we'll end up seeing Dwarf King's Hold following as a Kickstarter. I know Mantic mentioned that they've sold through their copies and would be revisiting the game in the future. Hmm....

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Does anyone have any pictures of how crappy the restic stuff is supposed to be?

I've never seen any first hand. Curious to see just how bad it is.

My only Mantic experiences have been with (what I'm assuming to be are) their plastic sprues of dead stuff and I was pretty impressed.

Of course those were the first heroic scale figures I've built since the days of plastic needle- nosed space marines so I don't have a lot of knowledge on current figures/ materials.

From the abyssal halfbreeds, there was some mold lines (nothing excessive), but it is a little more work to remove them than it is from traditional materials.

So I'll be honest, none of the minis really grab me. However, my club and I have all the sci-fi minis we'll ever need so I'm still pretty stoked about rules and terrain.

I'm a little behind the curve, so can anyone let me know what Mantic has said about rules (will all force lists be included) and play mechanics?

EDIT

Found this on the Mantic Forum (I'm sure it's probably somewhere in this thread also) from a Mantic Admin.

The game is played on an 8x8 grid. You don't have the use the terrain in the game if you don't want but if you'd need to replace it with something of the same size (to fill 3" square blocks).
The mat that comes in the game will be double sided with a tutorial side and a normal game side. The buildings on display were resin mock-ups and not the final versions. You also probably would not make the buildings that big in the game. That ground/base they are on is obviously not the game mat either, just a display board

Grid huh?... Not really interested in another board game so it looks like I'm not interested in the rules either.

Still, I'll be looking to see what the scenery costs as it does look pretty good, but "not make buildings that big" suggests to me that it would be quite expensive to do so. Also, if any FF minis get made in stretch goals/add-ons I might pick a few up.

Yeah, at this point Eilif, Mantic trying to claim that gamers will say "this is just like Necromunda" was probably more wishful thinking. This is turning out to be a board game, not a full fledged miniatures game.

Earth Dragon wrote:
Yeah, at this point Eilif, Mantic trying to claim that gamers will say "this is just like Necromunda" was probably more wishful thinking. This is turning out to be a board game, not a full fledged miniatures game.

Mantic never said it was like Necromunda, I said that people would say this is necromunda like people said Dreadball was Blood Bowl.

Dreadball isn't Blood Bowl, this isn't Neceomunda. It's a Miniatures Boardgame in the Warpath universe.

40 miniatures in a grid based Boardgame table that is 2'x2' isn't that bad, take a look at Zombicide..

 Cyporiean wrote:

Earth Dragon wrote:
Yeah, at this point Eilif, Mantic trying to claim that gamers will say "this is just like Necromunda" was probably more wishful thinking. This is turning out to be a board game, not a full fledged miniatures game.

Mantic never said it was like Necromunda, I said that people would say this is necromunda like people said Dreadball was Blood Bowl.

Dreadball isn't Blood Bowl, this isn't Neceomunda. It's a Miniatures Boardgame in the Warpath universe.

40 miniatures in a grid based Boardgame table that is 2'x2' isn't that bad, take a look at Zombicide..

I think there's alot more similarities between BB and DB than Necro and and Deadzone, if only related to their board/tabletop status. Still, that's moot now that it's clear that DZone is a board game.

I'm sure it will be a fun boardgame, and probably a good seller for Mantic. It's just that I have little interest in mini-based board games. I like tabletop wargaming.

I'm wondering if Mantic might do a Dust -> Dust Tactics type deal. Yeah you can play it like a board game, but you can also use the exact same models in wargaming variation.

Maybe that might be a stretch goal at some point? We know this will pull in a punch of money. They better have a lot of stretch goals planned. Might be an easy one for them to bang out.

I guess we'll all be finding out this Friday.

^ That already exists, the game is called Warpath, it's on its second edition (which is a massively improved and really excellent set of rules) and the full colour 80-page rulebook with all the rules, background and army lists can be downloaded for free here:

http://www.manticgames.com/Hobby/Gaming.html

Damn........This thing starts at 0230 on Friday for me. That's what happens you live on the opposite side of the planet from Mantic.

I thought Warpath was more big battle stuff, not close quarter skirmishes. Maybe Dead Zone will have a somewhat similar rule set that can scale up? After all, wasn't the point of Dead Zone to get people ready for the big Warpath campaign?

I actually received a copy of the rules a few months back from a family member and have subsequently forgotten where I put them.

Question for those that remember- how were the rules of Necromunda compared to 40k at the time? Similar? Vastly different?

We never got Necromunda in my house. We were a Space Hulk family.

Just got a new job with 50% higher salary then I do currently, so very, very excited I now might be able to toss a hundred bucks or so at this when it starts versus watching it sail past

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm wondering if Mantic might do a Dust -> Dust Tactics type deal. Yeah you can play it like a board game, but you can also use the exact same models in wargaming variation.

Maybe that might be a stretch goal at some point? We know this will pull in a punch of money. They better have a lot of stretch goals planned. Might be an easy one for them to bang out.

I guess we'll all be finding out this Friday.

Dreadball has had something like that. They "just" (I honestly don't know how long ago) released Dreadball Kickoff, which doesn't come with the ref, the cards, the rosters, etc... and is just a board game. But can be expanded into regular Dreadball...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Question for those that remember- how were the rules of Necromunda compared to 40k at the time? Similar? Vastly different?

They shared the core mechanics of 2nd edition 40k, but Necromunda went a bit deeper in terms of equipment - that's before injuries, skills, etc, came into play. The stat spread for a human in Necromunda mostly mirrored what you could get in the Imperial Guard at the time, IIRC.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ That already exists, the game is called Warpath, it's on its second edition (which is a massively improved and really excellent set of rules) and the full colour 80-page rulebook with all the rules, background and army lists can be downloaded for free here:

http://www.manticgames.com/Hobby/Gaming.html

Yes and no. I think people are looking for something with the characteristics of Necromunda (individual, measured movement with multiple factions, xp, character growth and a campaign tree.

Coming from someone who used to play Battletech on a gridless tabletop, I don't see there being much of an obstacle playing this new game without the board.

The important thing will be if the advancement, and campaign, rules make it a worthy Necromunda successor.

 Azazelx wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ That already exists, the game is called Warpath, it's on its second edition (which is a massively improved and really excellent set of rules) and the full colour 80-page rulebook with all the rules, background and army lists can be downloaded for free here:

http://www.manticgames.com/Hobby/Gaming.html

Yes and no. I think people are looking for something with the characteristics of Necromunda (individual, measured movement with multiple factions, xp, character growth and a campaign tree.

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